Grant Cameron joins HEROparanormal to discuss the fifth layer of anomalous phenomena as described by Jaques Vallee' and Eric Davis. The Psychic element. How our government is most interested in consciousness research. How craft or ships may be "grown", and have the ability to shift their shape, even within the cabin. How more than 50 witnesses have told him the same details. How 14% of abductees responded that they had flown the craft. From civilians to a retired US Air Force colonel, the story remains the same. Former CIA officials have come forward and verified personal encounters. "Seeding" of ideas and inventions is taking place. How this all connects and more on this information packed discussion.