GreenplanetFM Podcast

Right from the start both of these very articulate communicators share their knowingness as to the challenges and opportunities to heal what is becoming the affliction of the human race. Cancer!

What I like about them is that ever since knowing them - they have been focusing on encouraging us to see our body in a new light - to see that we need not be a victim of our genetic make up and that when we look beyond, into the quantum levels of the subatomic realms - new possibilities come into being.

This requires a shift in awareness, in consciousness - that we are energy fields in a localised planetary field that is embedded in a universal energy field - is opening up new vistas of not only health and healing, but living, our philosophy in life and indeed - our cosmology.

If perhaps you are aware of what's happening in the realm of health and healing, there are some exceptionally unique perspectives being offered.

Speakers at this symposium include leaders in their particular fields, from the United States, Australia and New Zealand:, Jack Tips ND PhD, Dr Allan Frankel MD, Ty Bollinger, Glen Gillard ND, Greg Fredericks NMD, Dr Robin Kelly MD, Prof Bill Watson, Katherine Smith, Jon Eisen and Kim Knight.

The International Holistic Cancer Symposium (IHCS) is a regular conference organized by health professionals, the purpose being to share scientific evidence-based research on cancer prevention, treatment, management and support, and providing knowledge that encompasses treating the whole person, not just cancer tumours. It is a resource for all those who are interested in an evidence-based holistic approach to cancer.

The IHCS is for Governmental Agencies, Medical, Allied and CAM health practitioners, Cancer Support Organisations and Cancer NGO's and Cancer patient lobby groups.

For more information: https://holisticcancersymposium.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4gKgUOm8VE

Regenerative & (Biological) Agriculture

Regenerative & (Biological) Agriculture can be and needs to be initiated very quickly over the face of all arable land in all the major countries on earth. This common sense system needs to be championed by all academics, farmers, and environmentalists - then the human society - if we want a future for our children.

Regeneration of the soil

The regeneration of soil through non chemical fertilisers with the conscious choice of mineral applications using regenerative and biological agricultural practices, can be and has to commence as soon as possible - it need not be delayed any longer.

What Phil Gregory PhD is saying has already been initiated by pioneers Graeme Sait, Ardern Andersen, Susan Jones and Elaine Ingham. We now have the answers - what we need now is the education and the will to implement this model of land management - and finally take down this C02 bogey - once and for all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3rhjqzVrRc

Taking down sequestering Co2 and building up soil

This is no longer a problem without a solution - Regenerative and biological agriculture is the solution and formula to global warming including soil loss and unhealthy animals and food chain.

The time is to start as soon as possible - with Government support across all levels of agriculture - and this needs trumpeting at the highest levels of government, business, and especially the media.

Pushing back the barriers of unknowingness.

Phil, Gregory was an astronomer who as part of a large scientific team used to study the night skies and during his later years was part of a huge awakening that there were planets orbiting stars in our galaxy. That in the last 25 or so years astronomers using the latest technological breakthroughs have found thousands of new planets - which is a gigantic step in breaking out of the isolation of the scientific mindset that did not or could not believe that there would be other planets circling stars not only throughout our galaxy of a 100 billion stars, but all the other billions of galaxies in existence as well. He also surmises that in 30 years time we may know if there is life on these planets.

Only 60 years of Farming Left if Soil Degradation Continues

After retiring from his chosen profession of Astronomy, one day whilst browsing through a Scientific American journal he read a piece by the UN Food and Agricultural Organisation that there is only 60 years of farming left if soil degradation continues ! 60 Years - that's no time at all, he exclaimed!

So this immediately caught his attention - for having 14 grandchildren he realised that we would be leaving them in a very unstable world and so he committed to finding a way to taking carbon out of the atmosphere and sequestering it into the soil - that in turn supports the microbes which then assists in roots growth and plant life prospering.

Global Food Security - what are the issues

This 60 year only timeline lead him to also research all aspects of desertification and animal grazing - that are all imperative issues towards global food security.

Accessing Free use of Global Data

As an ex university professor he had free access to all the global literature on earth - so has been able to cast a wide net that enabled him to work out what is happening with the soils, the atmosphere including rainfall, erosion etc, etc.

Whereas all the professional agronomists he came across, unless they are affiliated directly with a university - it costs them hugely - up to US$17.00 to read just one paper - whereas to become more knowing you need to read hundreds of papers - so this means that the agronomists are so far behind in their understanding of nature and in particular soil science and microbial activity.

Professional Agronomists lack knowledge on micro flora and soil

This shocked Phil, because in the process in communicating with them, he found them woefully ignorant about current knowledge. Especially, of how soil bacteria and fungi actually work with plants, in taking out of the atmosphere carbon and the mechanisms of breaking down soil compounds making them more available for roots hairs to feed plants the required food for growth, etc

Soil structure and micro-organisms and what they do - (has been a complete eye opener for Phil)

Even if we stop burning fossil fuels today - the gases (including methane escaping the permafrost) are still going to remain in the atmosphere for a long time. - They are still going to continue warming our planet for hundreds of year into the future - so not are we having to stop putting gases up into the atmosphere - we have to bring them back and get them out of the atmospheric envelope that surrounds our planet.

There are Natural Solutions that can Solve Global Warming.

Once he stumbled into the literature he started making connections and one link lead to another and as he followed these 'natural' connections he became very excited - and though he found very little info from the Canadian authorities - he found a large amount of interesting information and material within the branches of the US Department of Agriculture especially in the natural resources - services section where they had many tutorials on the soil food web by Doctor Elaine Ingham one of the pioneers.

This video link is of Phil Gregory telling his important story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWILIYSf5ts

He also found on Ted Talks - Allan Savoury from Zimbabwe - it made sense - it is not necessarily animal numbers - it's the timing of the seasons that is important.

The US Department of Agriculture - especially in the natural resources - services section made a large contribution in the connection in the dots for Phil.

Don Rocoski - no till no Till - Washington Post 11.9.13 by BraD PLUMBER No till farming is on the rise …don rykovsky No turning of soil at all

Don Rykovsky powerpoints

This link - that is a power point is a superb contribution and statement as to what needs to be done http://www.phas.ubc.ca/~gregory/papers/GregoryBowenIslandPresentation24Jan2017sht.pdf

Saskatchewan Soil Conservation Society

Also early on in his research he found that in Saskatchewan up to 60% of the framers were engaged in no till farming - which means no turning over or ploughing the soil - Now today nearly 100% of them have gone no till.

This was also seen as a possible avenue of obtaining Government subsidies for soil sequestration - even though they were a little way ahead of the govt at the time. So spent a lot of time in measuring how soils carbon could be requested and they now have good data from 167 farms over a span of 14 years and these farms are fairly large. What they have deduced is that the farmers can sequester around 1 tonne of carbon per hectare per year. Which translates to the equivalent of taking 21 million cars off the road.

Thus the Saskatchewan farmers who only had one cash crop every two years were able to then have one cash crop per year and they went from the red into the black - and making money

This took Phil deeper into his quest for regenerative agriculture - where you not only sequester carbon from the atmosphere but you restore the biology to the soil, the microflora - and you move away from the chemical paradigm to a biological paradigm, which after all - this is how nature evolved . Nature has all the microbes in the soil and that hidden universe which as up until very recently has been a hidden universe. These microbes mine all the nutrients that these plants need - from the rocks and silt and clay - and nitrogen from the atmosphere - you get the works - all for free -without having to pay money to plough your fields or pay money for the chemicals - if we are conscious enough to learn and copy nature.

The next step is to inoculate the soil with a real good fertiliser and get those microbes back active again.

By only putting NPK - nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium the plant (sort of) thinks that it has some 'party food' here, that I do not need to share with the microbes and any of my root exudates - I can instead hold onto those, because I am addicted to NPK. So that the barter system that existed between the plants feeding the sugars and the carbon - the energy pills to the microbes starts to fracture - And the microbes in return supplying all the other trace minerals and all the other elements that the plant needs - that barter system is 'now broken' - its interrupted because the plants become addicted to the easy life - but of course these salts that have been put on - these fertilising salts that have been put on, dissolve in water and 80% of them wash off into the rivers causing all kinds of problems - algae blooms - nitrates in the water are very dangerous - they reduce the amount of oxygen that the blood can transfer through the body - that there was a Nobel Prize was won when they realised that this was the basis of cancer - and Phil goes on to say that we have created mountains of problems basically though ignorance with the use of these chemicals.

Listen to Phil talks about the predators and prey and even predators that prey on the predators - in a very dynamic system at a micro level - which is natures way - this high diversity of creating stability.

So the bacteria and the fungi they are at the base of this system - they are being fed 'carbon pellets' (if you like) - through the sugars from the plants- who are attracting them to their root system - so the bacteria and fungi they will - if there is any NPK nitrogen , phosphorus and potassium they will love that - they will just gobble that up and store that in their body together with the4 carbon that they are receiving from the plant - and they will also take in any dead plant or matter and recycle that - plus they secrete also biotic glues as enzymes and organic acids. These organic acids in the case of fungal hyphae - these invisible strands that spread outward everywhere as mycelium networks - hold for example is a myclillium network - whist the individual hyphae are quite invisible - but if you take some common rock like feldspar and slice it - then polish it and you look at it under the microscope you will find all kinds of tiny microscopic tunnels - these are tunnels that have been made by the fungal hyphae - they are actually burrowing in to the rock - and mining the elements - the basic elements that that rock is made of - pulling these laments back into their bodies and they eventually transfer these elements to the plant. Which in Phil's words is quite magical.

In 2015 Scientific American article states that in its title - the Biggest mining operation in the world is carried out by fungal networks.

So all these fungal networks are pulling in all these resources and in return for the carbon - but you have to keep it mind that those fungi and bacteria - they like the elements as well and they need them in high concentrations to exist in nature. So they are also not readily wanting to pass on these or give them up - and this is where the predatory protozoa of bacteria and fungi come along and feast up - and they end up with an excess of nitrogen - too much is toxic so they excrete it out - poop it out and they happen to be right next to the plant roots - because the plants are attracting and feeding their prey and all are in extremely close proximity - as they are wanting carbon that the plant extracts from the atmosphere.

So that at any given time in an agricultural field - 99% of the elements that the plants need are locked up in the bacteria and fungi - and only at the rate that which the plants need it (as the plants are orchestrating all this) do the predators come along and covert by eating right amount of bacteria and fungi - create the correct amount of poop with is then taken up by the root hairs and feed the plant.

So this is one of the mysteries that the chemical world has not appreciated (Big Pharma) because they do not really want to know the biological understandingof how to unlock the secrets of the soil. They just want sales of nitrogen and chemicals to drive these into the plants - so that they can up production - and eventually get their money back - with zero respect of the land, soil and the microflora in the soil. Which degrades the soils that eventually either erode in floods or is blown away by the wind.

Bacteria and fungi help open up the ground so that both air and water can percolate deeper allowing for roots to penetrate down to greater depths into the soil - thus able to withstand drought and flooding

Listen this is fascinating stuff that every farmer and gardener needs to get their head around if they wish to become far more self reliant and resilient in the face of rapidly changing climate change and weather fluctuations.

Covering how microflora create soil structure - to get oxygen and water deep down into the ground - because plant roots will only grow deep if they have access to wattle and oxygen. Plant roots can grow well over a metre deep - thus can resist long periods of drought as there will be both food, oxygen and moisture down there. So the imperative is for NZ farmers to study and research this and not be talked into continuing the old paradigm of more chemicals being added to their farmland.

When North America was being opened up in the pioneering days of colonial expansion the farmers dug down following certain grass roots to over 3o feet down .

Dr Rlaine Ingham - the soil food web inc -

Listen how trees can have 150 foot deep roots and that a tree fed on the surface can transport this liquid matter down to its roots 150 feet down in a matter of 10 minutes!

Plough causing a compaction layers just below the depth of the plough and this hardens the soil. At the same time when ploughing you ares slicing and dicing the fungi networks destroying all the magnificence of soil structure - what the bacteria and microflora have magically put in place.

These are like underground cities and as Phil cals them buildings and networks that the microbes have created - were annihilated and the soils loses its integrity as all the fungi and biotic glues from the bacteria just dry up - so that it is free to be both blown and washed away!

its only in the last 30 years have we realised the damage that we have been doing … added to this it is only via microscopic instruments have we been able to study also what these microbes are doing - what is theirtr role in nature.

This was in 1985 when Elaine Ingham and her husband in 1985 exposed this knowledge to the world.- And that paper was not received immediately very well. Many did not beleive that nature had this 'bartering system' that was going on. It was not dod eat dog and survival od the fittest - but a more cooperative notion that old ideology refused to acknowledge.

then in 1991 others rediscovered their work and it has expanded vastly since then.

Phil did a university search on root exudate or plant exudate which is a key part of she discovery - now 2016 over 2000 papers on this coming to light.- focussed on the bartering system

Dr Teage and 14 orhwr authors - sequester carbon in the soil

Soil erosion resulting form agriculture is actually a large contributor to greenhouse gases = 28% of the problem of greenhouse gasses

Agriculture is producing 14 - 15% of greenhouse gases - but soil erosion

but what about the rest - 72% - thats fossil fuel burning?

yet regenerative agriculture in all its aspects - animals and crops - not mono culture but diversified crops - including cover crops so that there is always green material with roots in the ground - plus old farms had orchards, gardens pigs goats cows, sheep and horses - very diversified - resulting in the regenerative management of animals

if we did regenerative agriculture planet round we would instantly remove that 28% - but you would ake down 120% of the greenhouse gasses from all sources that are being released - back into the ground so under modest assumptions over the entire earth - we would be requesting 150% of the GHG we are currently putting up now!

To the degree that water a time we would have to slow this down so as to not have our planet cool too much - a delightful dilemma to be in

Listen to Phil spell out the maths and the assumptions that include all forms of GHG from transportation - energy lighting - you name it - deforestation and methane expelling.

Based on 3 tones of carbon sequester for every hectare - every year

*Gabe Brown - browns ranch.us

*Dr David Johnson in Arizona - rapid sequestration up to 24 tonnes per hectare - with the US Department of Ag doing the measurements for carbon - maybe only 20% of the arable land needed to pull this carbon out of the atmosphere.

Singing Frogs Farm - California.

listen - the French scientists are very switched on a bout regenertative agriculture

Why are academics sleeping this one out? They are a collection of specialists - suzanne simard fungi network

YouTube "the magic of soil - by Phil Gregory"

In 1990, the answer to her final prayer for true help came unexpectedly, taking her to India. There on the banks of the river Ganga, she met Papaji, who opened the floodgates of her self-recognition.

Today, Gangaji travels the world speaking to people from all walks of life. She powerfully articulates how it is possible to directly experience the truth of who you are and in that, discover true peace and lasting fulfillment.

Her books include: The Diamond in Your Pocket: Discovering Your True Radiance; Hidden Treasure: Uncovering the Truth in Your Life Story; and You Are THAT! Satsang with Gangaji.

We at heart know that we cannot stand aside and allow our children and grandchildren to be overtaken by continued degradation of our magnificent home planet, anymore - This along with the moral and ethical malaise that daily via unfaithful (MSM) media erodes our efforts of goodwill, truth, joy and connection.

Taking a Stand

We know that we have to take a stand. Why?

Because there is no leader - particularly in the political domain calling for and standing up for the future of children and the biosphere.

We are realising that we must be the ones to take this stand. At the deepest level of soul - this is the incarnation that we have committed to - to make the shift of the ages and take back our planet as a bio harmonic living Gaian system as well as integrating and dissolving into a loving, holistic global family.

Will Wilkinson who has been a dynamic community activist on the West Coast of the US ever since the late 60's has said - 'enough of the old paradigm' and is visiting NZ, which due to its geographical location 'sees tomorrow first.'

Another Way of Seeing Who We Are

Will is here to explore and share how we as 'cells of the planetary body' can connect with other localised cells and clusters of cells - and self organise our way to creating the trim tab factor* and finally break free of the old thought patterns of dysfunction and fragmentation. By dynamically awakening possibilities within our own being - and across our nation - especially in small clusters of cells 'we finally come together' and become an inspiration for the rest of the world - hungry for positive community based change, peace and perpetual optimism.

The imperative being we must break free of dystopian movies and propaganda and instead plant and germinate seeds of heart oriented change and connection - that we intuitively hold so dearly - and we need to do it now.

This very short 55 minute interview with Will, will allow you to feel his sensitivity and his inherent knowingness that this is a time for service to the greater good and the larger whole.

Now or Never - the Book.

His Now or Never book puts a stake in hallowed ground - to gracefully initiate change at multiple levels. With Sacred Activist - Andrew Harvey's gripping Forward and acknowledgements by numerous holistic and transformational leaders of North America - Will's lead-in - captivating first chapter - sets the template for enabling this long awaited global transfiguration to finally show up and take place.

Will is taking a workshop on the 10th and 11th of February 2018 here in Auckland including a free evening info talk prior to this event.

Wednesday 7 February OR Thursday 8 February 7.00pm to 9.00pm at 137 Hinemoa Street Birkenhead Auckland.

To Register for any of these events people can PHONE 09 418 2971 or EMAIL [email protected]

In reading his book -and talking with Will, I can easily feel that Will is a fellow traveller - a Renaissance initiator, journeyman, crew member, Gaian, inner voyager and lover of the natural world and all biota.

He is happily married and his wife will be accompanying him on his trip around the curve of the great mother - to be with us.

To me it will be well worth being in Will's orbit whilst he is here in Aotearoa - he having journeyed here twice before.

For those anywhere in NZ beyond Auckland - please click on Planetaudio.org.nz - and play 'listen now' at 8am Thursday the 25th NZ time and it will stream direct to you.

The Trim Tab Factor

* The Trim tab - is a very little rudder that is embedded in a larger rudder on say a yacht - whilst the main rudder is used to 'point the yacht into the wind, it then sets the course, but by having this tiny little 'trim tab' rudder - set at a deeper angle/degree - what this does its subtly point the yacht 'higher' into the wind that it will not be noticed over say 10 to 20 kilometres but over a hundred to two hundred kilometres the yacht is seen to be half a degree more into the wind' Hence getting 'a jump' on the other yachts that do not have a trim tab rudder - it then is at a greater advantage in taking the lead. - This is where NZ can position itself when we have 'conscious' governance.

We Are All Nerve Endings of Mother Earth - Gaia

James Lovelock who reminded us of Gaia - intimates that we 7.6 billion human beings are the nerve endings of Mother Earth. (i.e cells) That when someone stands up in the Amazon basin with a sign that says 'No more deforestation' they are a nerve ending of the planetary body stating that this part of Mother Earth is suffering hugely. Same for a person standing with a sign in Palestine - stating ' Peace Not War" - they are telling all other nerve endings globally who see this, that this part of Mother Earth is in horrific trauma and needs healing.

Will is here as a 'conscious nerve ending' - to share with us ways to bring a greater consciousness to the other 7 billion plus nerve endings - and who all share breath.

Question?

Do you wake up in the morning happy with the world and thrilled to be alive?

Well that may have been the case a long time ago - yet we are witnessing daily a world in turmoil with no respite whatsoever in sight.

Answers?

Have you any answers to this situation we have all found ourselves in?

With 7.6 billion humans living on a spectacular planet that lends us bodies, free air, free rainwater and until recently a free food chain, how is it that as inhabitants on this tiny blue planet - orbiting a moderate size sun, midway on the outer arm of a medium size galaxy we call the Milky Way - have found ourselves captive to a deceptive psychological mind game that instead of realising that we all share breath as a global family - we have been programmed and polarised into fortified areas of us versus them.

Every major country is building up arms at increasingly costly levels - as military industrial machines compete with each other in an escalation that defies description.

Over one $trillion a year is being thrown into death and suffering and yet humanity have no say as unconscious governments pretending to be democratic - are not interested in resolving conflicts across borders - and instead obstinately dig in and ramp up fear.

Well as in the introduction - it's time for a stand - and to hold the line.

'We' Are a Grass Roots Evolution

Yes, this is a grassroots evolution - it's the only way we can displace and grow around the top down pyramid model that has set the template of control for millennia. Localised grass roots networks are the key to claiming back 'the commons' and it is with your help and commitment it can be achieved. Hence Will's fortuitous arrival here in NZ.

By being an activated conscious cell (nerve ending) - communicating and connecting with other cells and allowing synergistic energies to synchronistically come into being - this is when intuition and group dynamics inspire us with innovative and novel ways of growing into a greater dynamic whole.

Connection is everything

Connection is everything, just like shared breath - and as we know many trees have deep rooted systems that connect like gigantic mycorrhizal fungal networks of underground hypha - that link with other tree roots which commonly knit as the 'world wood network' - They can communicate and collectively manage resources, thanks to "some kind of electrochemical communication between the tree roots"

We now have to become this knowing and resourceful, if we want our children and grandchildren to have a free prosperous and peaceful future as we are at multiple tipping points within the biosphere's increasingly delicate ecology. Nature does not have anywhere near enough time to evolve systems of balance, change and compensation - due to the increasing global population that has been programmed to own more and more planned obsolescent material products and things.

What Will is here in NZ for is to take willing self motivated us, through three powerful stages of learning.

He has the skills and the know-how to teach us and empower us make this jump in changing old habits and patterns.

With the people that he trains - they can go out and train another group of people - replicating his methods and inspiring us. This is how we can be change agents of conscious evolution - and take us into a new paradigm of mindfulness goodwill and global family.

To do nothing is not an option.

It's 'Now or Never'

http://www.willtwilkinson.com

It's 'Our Place', to do our thing. Kiwis can put quality-made programmes up on the site. He says it asks of Kiwis "What are you going to DO with this new resource? You can MAKE things with this. You don't have to ask permission" .

At 6.24, Bryan explains the problem with our current NZ media: a producer has to go through the gateways of the commercial television channels who really are trying to assess your programme on the one question of : "How big an audience can you bring to the commercial gaps?".

It has always been thus. And if you're good at that, then they will buy your next programme. It's not about how good a programme is, it's about what kind of audience? and how big will it be? to cater to the advertisers in the commercial gaps - and it all comes down to producing money instead of quality.

At 7.16, Bryan says the main channels are going to self-edit. They re not going to take a programme that is not going to fit well with their sponsors.

The other side of it is we tend to think of government- funded broadcasters as being more independent, but that is not true either, because they are not going 'to bite the hand that feeds them' and stand up to their government money-source.

If mainstream media gets money from a business, then that piper calls the tune.

At 7.46, Bryan explains that the idea for this came up about 3 years ago when he walked out of TVNZ one day having had it explained to him that his programme on health was probably going to get lots of ratings but "Really we're not necessarily into the business of doing programmes in the public good. They have to be commercial because we might sell ourselves off one day" .

Bryan walked out of that building and thought: " Well, if these guys aren't going to do NZ public television, maybe I can.".

Bryan registered a company called 'NZ Public Television Ltd", and he talked to friends: " If you were starting television today, you wouldn't do it in the way that the BBC told us how to do it all those years ago - no big dishes, sky satellites, large building. How would we do it today ?"

At 8.43, he says the answer is clear: we'd use the World Wide Web.

And how would we put our programmes up?

When Bryan talked to servers , they had gleeful visions of making lots of money out of this being a version of Netflix. But Bryan instead saw it as a bus station. You, the viewer, come to NZPTV to be pointed in the right direction of a programme that someone else is hosting on Vimeo or YouTube or other sites. So NZPTV is a curator of quality programmes with NZ content. And at 9.13 he says the producers and their websites - the people who own the copyright to their own work- will be acknowledged .

At the same time, NZPTV will also make its own programmes and put those up on NZPTV Vimeo and direct viewers to that content also. So Vimeo might be the host of a programme but NZPTV will direct traffic there.

At its core, the aim is to work out how to make cost-effective television and then also make it a People's Channel which says - Look , you might see Bryan Bruce or others doing an introduction but it's not his channel, it's OUR channel. NZPTV will also help producers. Bryan says he has been to see NZ on Air and asked how many eyeballs a week does NZPTV need for independent producers to be able to be funded to make and put their programme up on this new platform. " They couldn't tell me" he says.

At 10.07, he says " This is a new world for them !" NZ on Air don't know what the numbers might be so NZPTV will educate them on what the numbers CAN be.

At 11.30, Bryan talks of his own motivations in programme making: " What I try to do in a programme is say " Here's a problem. How did we get to this? Let's unpack it a bit and look at some solutions". That's where hope arises - rather than leave people in a dark place with overwhelming negative story-telling "

When he made 'The Investigator', each case involved some element of The Law that needed further examination - for example- David Tamihere was identified while wearing handcuffs outside the courtroom . Was this a correct identification? And what are the rules for identifying someone? The Defence said this was unfair. The Court allowed it- so now there are new rules that apply to each of us. At 13.20 Bryan says when making a programme it's important that you're not just doing ti because 'crime rates'. Why are you upsetting people and going through all of this misery again for the families that were involved for no good reason?

At 13.39 Bryan says he encourages producers to ask 'Why am I making this? What is the outcome I want to have from it?".

At 14.41 he says the question we all need to ask is " Who owns the media now? Who owns the way that our attitudes and our opinions and our thoughts about life are formed?" .

The Big Questions to ask are " Who -How-What -Where- Why". He says those questions are often not being asked in journalism today. " It worries me. I watch reporters ask very simple questions - even , are you having a nice day ?".

At 16.14 he says he sees Free Media and True Democracy as connected .

At the start of the last century, the total number of people you could address verbally was on a street corner through megaphone. But the end of the 20th Century, you could address the whole world through the various media and now with the internet, you can reach places that don't even have broadcast facilities but have telephone lines. At 17.01, he says " If you can control the means of talking to people, whether for your private ends or for the government's ends, that's a lot of power. That's actually a means of accumulating power.

And now what NZPTV does is give the power BACK to the People and says " YOU are in control of the stories" .

At 19.05 he says this is a Wake Up. it's more than just a channel. " We'll grow as much as the People want to do it. My call is out to independent producers. Our gateway is much wider than any of the public or private broadcasters. You can come to us with a programme provided that it is professionally made , something you might see on a commercial channel in terms of its quality of production. For example, if you have made a programme about the TPPA or Water Issues, and you've done your homework and kept to the Broadcasting Standards Authority issues of fairness and balance .

At 21.04 he explains balance in the context of his programme 'Jesus, the Cold Case' which was criticised because Bryan talked to certain theologians but not others. He says that the 'balance' is that, on any given day, a viewer can turn to the Christian channels and hear the opposite view.

It's equally so for NZPTV, which would make sure that, with a controversial programme, then somewhere there is the counter view shown, or NZPTV itself would run the counter view so the viewer could see both sides.

At 22.00 he says that it's not true to say there are NO editing gateways to go through, but they relate more to the legal ones- you cannot defame people , and if it's an argument for one viewpoint, it must be well though out , or if it's science-based, it must be peer -reviewed.

But at 22.19, he says NZPTV is not going to say to a producer " It doesn't quite fit with our sponsors" (because there are no sponsors of the channel)- or "It doesn't quite fit with our 'brand' " (which is commonly heard in Mainstream Media ).

In fact The NZPTV 'Brand' is Independence ! " If it fits with that, we should have it ".

At 23.23 Bryan underlines that " If we don't hold on to life rafts like this , we're all going to drown". At 24.19, he says public education has taught questioning and yet we have a media that tried to manipulate popped who are actually very intelligent .

" I'm always amazed at the wisdom that comes out of people from whom, at face value, you wouldn't assume that wisdom". At 24.50, he gives an anecdote from a programme he made called "Stand By Your Man' about three women whose partners had committed major crimes. " And she said " They never fixed his drug and alcohol addiction - and that was his problem" And you're just about to move from this interviewee, when suddenly they come out with this absolutely insightful gem about what we're NOT doing for men or women in prison. We're not addressing the issues that have led to them being IN there!"

At 27.55 Bryan outlines that one of the ways that governments gain power over us is: if they don't collect data on, for example, how much Chinese money is coming in to the country, then they can pretend it isn't a problem. No one knows! " Oh", they say " it's all just anecdotal. You're just bashing the Chinese".

Bryan says "NO! I'm saying: let's collect the data! You're giving away visas to very wealthy people - gold visas. If you have ten million you can buy a residency in our country . But what are these people DOING for our country ? And where is that money going ?". And the answer comes back from the government: "I'm sorry we don't know because we don't follow the money trail" . At 29.10, Bryan suggests that one of the roles for NZPTV is to encourage independent producers to pick a topic, investigate it, and bring us the data that the government is not collecting because it's' inconvenient '. " The last thing that governments want is inconvenient truths".

At 29.58 he says that if you DO your homework and collate the data, then policy changes" .

At 30.23 he talks of the effect of his programme 'Inside Child Poverty" which went out on TV3 the week of the election in 2011. "There was a debate about whether it should have been screened in election week, driven by right wing commentators like Sean Plunkett who said Bryan Bruce should not be funded to make programmes like this! Then a marvellous thing happened. The National Government which had initially said " This is made up by a left wing journalist", then started to change its tune and admitted " Well it might exist but we can't measure it". Then the Children's Commissioner Russell Wills said " Ok, I'll get a group off academics together and we WILL measure it" They put out an amazing report. It could not be ignored any more. The word "child poverty' became part of our vernacular. And by the NEXT election it was an election issue" .

So Bryan uses this example to say that this is what we can do as media people: we can investigate, we can collate data, we can inspire people. He credits The Child Poverty Action Group with inspired him to make the programme . He says they had been doing their work for years and he thought " Well maybe I have few skills in terms of taking complicated things and trying to make them understandable - and that was my role. Something like 580 thousand Kiwis watched that programme and then the Public started asking questions. I had offered the programme to TVNZ and I seem to remember someone saying " Who's going to watch a programme with 'Poverty' in the title?" ( and 580,000 viewers is up there with All Black fixture numbers in terms of ratings ) " .

At 33.17, Bryan says NZPTV is not competitive- but rather, co-operative. " We could make a programme that is of great public interest and make it in a dynamic way. We could take the online rights and a mainstream media outlet could take the broadcast rights. That would be an adult way of dealing with different kinds of distribution "

At 34.48, Bryan says it's no accident that one of the longest running programmes in this country is called 'Fair Go'. He feels that deep down, most Kiwis believe in a fair go and many of felt terribly betrayed by 1984 and the adoption of Neo Liberalism and being told it was the only way we could go. " Well it wasn't. there are about 30 different kinds of capitalism in the world and if you look at what happened in Scandinavia, they took a deep breath and paused - and then they adopted certain elements ONLY. They fenced off policies to do with children, the elderly and housing, and then they said they would allow OTHER policy to be more entrepreneurial .

Whereas in New Zealand , the government said " ALL of that is wrong and this new evangelistic way is right, and there is now only ONE way to do this". Bryan cites David Lange's book which shows he later realised this was the worst thing he did. In fact, he may not have fully understood it and " To be fair, I'm not sure that many of us understood it at the time. I certainly didn't" says Bryan. " I did up one house and sold and got a better house. What I didn't think about was that 20 years down the track, other people's children would not be able to afford a house because of what I was doing - and many of us were doing. We were just doing the best by our families and we were encouraged to think that that's what you should do. Even Roger Douglas may have thought he was doing the right thing. I've never spoken to him. I'd like to interview him. But the reality is; it WASN"T the right thing. It created a HUGE inequality. When the National Party came in afterwards and created The Mother of All Budgets under Ruth Richardson, then ALL of the childhood diseases that relate to poverty, skyrocketed. And that's nothing to be proud of. That should have told anybody who had social concern that there is something fundamentally wrong with this economic system that is creating this." .

From 40.30 in, Bryan discusses the structure of NZ Public Television.

At 50.09 he says one of the way it will benefit producers who have good product, is that they give that programme to NZPTV for free for 7 days and then it goes to the 'Pay Per View' section . But all that money goes directly to the producers, not to NZPTV. (This is also a reminder to viewers to check the weekly offerings on NZPTV as there is a brisk turnaround of programmes).

At 53.07 Bryan says the whole idea of New Zealand Public Broadcasting is to return to an early idea of television: namely , using it to communicate with one another , to talk to each other.

To find out more, go to nzptv.org.nz or sign up to Bryan Bruce on Facebook.

Greg has written the detailed notes below on the subject.

WHAT IS OFFICIAL INFORMATION?

Ask yourself what it would mean if the forensic truth of the 9/11 event became Official Information?

Were that to happen, then the arms of justice would be enabled to investigate, charge, and prosecute the perpetrators, and pronounce sentence.

Why would that matter? Well it may serve as a valuable deterrent to those who would undertake similar criminality, from further acts. The whole basis of the criminal justice system is to deter crime.

https://russiarobinson.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/classical-school-of-criminology-a-foundation-of-todays-criminal-justice-system/

TWO PROPOSITIONS:

1. Would criminal discovery and prosecution with suitable penalties, appropriate to the crime of mass murder, deter further terrorism efforts by state and state associated actors?
2. One way to consider the question is to argue the opposite point by inferring that no criminal discovery or prosecution will deter further terrorism by state and state associated actors.

Which of the above has a strong coherence with reality A or B?

AN APPROACH TO FIND TRUTH IN A SEA OF SPIN:

Greg asserts that there was a general rapprochement and trend toward de-escalation of aggression between the major powers at the turn of the century and millennium. Kyoto and UN Millenium Goals are indicative of this trend.

FALSE FLAGS – WHY CREATE A CRISIS WHERE ONE DIDN'T EXIST?

Previously Governments and powerful actors have used false flag events as a means to disrupt the peace and move history in a particular direction.

To make the case about False Flags take a few minutes to appreciate that these are common and often perpetrated by government actors: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/58-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html

9/11 WHAT OCCURRED?

In penetrating to the truth one needs to review the evidence and conflicting theories that are proffered to explain the evidence. Make sure one looks at all of the evidence, and that one can discriminate between factual and counterfactual.

What happened on 9/11 see timeline below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks and,

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=dayOf911

9/11 OFFICIAL TIMELINE

7:59a.m. American Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767 carrying 81 passengers and 11 crew members, departs 14 minutes late from Logan International Airport in Boston, bound for Los Angeles International Airport. Five hijackers are aboard.

8:14 United Airlines Flight 175, a Boeing 767, carrying 56 passengers and nine crew members, departs 14 minutes late from Logan International Airport in Boston, bound for Los Angeles International Airport. Five hijackers are aboard.

8:14 Flight 11 is hijacked over central Massachusetts, turning southwest.

8:20 American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 with 58 passengers and six crew members, departs 10 minutes late from Washington Dulles International Airport, for Los Angeles International Airport. Five hijackers are aboard.

8:42 United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757 with 37 passengers and seven crew members, departs 42 minutes late from Newark International Airport, bound for San Francisco International Airport. Four hijackers are aboard.

8:42–8:46 (approx.) Flight 175 is hijacked above Albany, New York, about 140 miles north of New York City, turning south.

8:46:40 Flight 11 crashes into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99. The aircraft enters the tower intact.

8:50–8:54 (approx.) Flight 77 is hijacked above southern Ohio, turning to the southeast.

9:03:00 Flight 175 crashes into the south face of the South Tower (2 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 77 and 85. Parts of the plane, including the starboard engine, leave the building from its east and north sides, falling to the ground six blocks away.

9:28m Flight 93 is hijacked above northern Ohio, turning to the southeast.

9:37:46 Flight 77 crashes into the western side of The Pentagon and starts a violent fire.

9:45 United States airspace is shut down.

9:59:00 The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses, 56 minutes after the impact of Flight 175.

10:03:11 Flight 93 is crashed by its hijackers and passengers, due to fighting in the cockpit 80 miles (129 km) southeast of Pittsburgh in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. Later reports indicate that passengers had learned about the World Trade Center and Pentagon crashes and were resisting the hijackers. The 9/11 Commission believed that Flight 93's target was either the United States Capitol building or the White House in Washington, D.C.

10:28:22 The North Tower of the World Trade Center collapses, 1 hour, 42 minutes after the impact of Flight 11. The Marriott Hotel, located at the base of the two towers, is also destroyed.

10:50:19 Five stories of part of the Pentagon collapse due to the fire.

5:20:33 p.m. 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story building, collapses (from Wikipedia;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks )

MOTIVE:

Motive is the same as it always is... create a crisis and profit from it... the fact that this one has been in the making for decades or longer doesn't lessen the truth of the motive nor the reality of it... control and profit.

This time the crisis is large enough to ensure the solution is global.

The same interests stopped or disrupted the Kyoto settlement.

The world was heading toward a rapprochement at the end of the 20th Century. For "the Enterprise" to profit requires heightened insecurity.

There's more to the motive that I cannot yet say with any certainty, however I keep digging and closing my eyes and allowing the truth to come in.

One issue is the money gone/lost/misappropriated/redirected from the Pentagon budget announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11, US$2.3 trillion. The number is over 6 trillion now and unlikely to be sorted before 2020 or some such. Where is that going, or getting siphoned too?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army/u-s-army-fudged-its-accounts-by-trillions-of-dollars-auditor-finds-idUSKCN10U1IG

http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-cannot-account-for-6-5-trillion-dollars/5541244

And the cost of the wars? Who gets that?

https://sputniknews.com/us/201709291057824332-us-defense-department-more-lies/

http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2016/Costs%20of%20War%20through%202016%20FINAL%20final%20v2.pdf

http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/lbilmes/files/the_financial_legacy_of_afghanistan.pdf

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2017/05/29/How-Will-We-Pay-6-Trillion-Bill-Wars-Iraq-and-Afghanistan

THE MOTIVE IS HOW TO GET THE US INTO WAR:

War on Terror is the war to divide and conquer the world for those who are creative enough to imagine it and bold enough to do the deed.

My paper in April 2016 to the Foreign Affairs Defence and Trade (FADT) NZ Parliamentary select committee's TPP treaty examination, is essential to appreciate the extent to which the US economy has been gutted and turned to reliance on munitions and security manufacturing and service provision. It addresses the post WW2 history and considers the plan laid out in the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) report; "Rebuilding America's Defenses" against that which is observed in the post 9/11 wars and the catalysing event or "new Pearl Harbour" crisis event that the report prophesised:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ix8z0zguuf7h66/US%20%E2%80%93%20%20Aotearoa%20NZ%20Values%20-%20Do%20These%20Correlate.pdf?dl=0

Not only that - the whole war on terror became an opportunity to outsource or privatise the war making effort to companies such as the multinational corporation Halliburton, and the mercenaries across Afghanistan and Iraq etc..

The Rebuilding America's Defenses report advocated for a huge increase in military spending, preparedness and capacity to both transform the military and fight on multiple fronts/theatres... it was prophetic on so many levels that it must be considered a model, blueprint, or designer wish list.

Wesley Clark's evidence of the War planning at the Pentagon, is also telling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

War economy on steroids = What is war about???

Ask Gen. Smedley Butler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nStSg75BNY

I came across his career in 2006/7. I wrote this in Nov 2007 on the eve of Armistice Day and then didn't write anything else for a few years, saying to myself what else is there to say... see essay "Lest We Forget"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7miq7ia5nfzwbl5/Lest%20We%20Forget.pdf?dl=0

My first bit of research into 911 was November 2006. (not all the links work anymore):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tpr03n4ni602h05/911%20The%20Greatest%20Lie.pdf?dl=0

LESSONS:

Unless the 9/11 truth is properly considered, in all its ruthless genocidal ugliness, through Official Investigation and Justice systems, the litany of false flag events, already scorched into the history of power relations in the world, will continue. Our digression into criminal justice informs that opinion.

What to do about it?

What needs to happen to circumvent odious control of the Earth and its people?

KEY POINTS:

Whom ever controls the world, and "hijacked our peace with 9/11", then controls our NZ deep state.

It co-opted the US state and made it go to war for a lie!

Who said go 9/11? Answer this question and help the world toward peace!

9/11 and our alliance with the UK/US Empire got the NZ Defence force Community into the so-called Terrorist War on Afghanistan in October 2001, and Iraq in 2003, despite the NZ Government knowing that the Iraq war was criminal.

HOW GREG SEES IT:

The following is an essay I wrote December 2016 hi-lighting the material I've placed before the NZ Government, and the Official Information requests I've made, regarding what the government knew about 9/11, which are blocked from release by virtue of the Catch 22 nature of the Official Information Act provisions 6 a and b.

http://values-compasspointsinaposttruthworld.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/working-on-open-egalitarian-and.html

LIFTING THE LID BIT BY BIT:

The lid appears to be lifted a little by elements of the semi-independent agencies and elements, however none in any serious media are looking at 9/11 truth. Wikileaks provides this... 9/11 pager transcripts from the day:

https://911.wikileaks.org/files/index.html which requires a lot of time to get across.

And others talk about Wikieaks in these terms on 9/11:

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth

GATEKEEPERS KEEPING 9/11 TRUTH SUPPRESSED – why do they do this?

George Monbiot and Noam Chomsky both go out of their way to belittle 9/11 conspiracy theorists, however people have done work to refute or rebut their rubbish:

Chomsky: https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/11/analysis-of-the-sophistry-of-noam-chomsky-on-911/

Monbiot explains why he believes the official version in 2007:

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2017/846-george-monbiot-responds-on-syria.html

FAKE NEWS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISING:

Noticed the campaign commence in the immediate aftermath of Trump's election, with this article by Andrew Smith at the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/pedlars-fake-news-corroding-democracy-social-networks ....to which I wrote the following critique and attempted to engage the Guardian comments moderators, who deleted my comment from the article.

http://values-compasspointsinaposttruthworld.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/pot-calls-kettle-black-hypocrisy-of.html

HOW PEOPLE CAN ASSIST WITH THE DISPERSAL OF 9/11 TRUTH:

Inform oneself about the forensic truth of the event.

The perpetrators used nuclear devices amongst other agents to achieve the observed destruction.

That one piece of information might be difficult to digest, however, what else accounts for the thousands of cancer deaths and diseases suffered by WTC First Responders, Ground Zero Workers, residents and workers from the WTC complex vicinity, particularly those in the path of the toxic dust cloud created with the steel and concrete of the WTC building structures:

http://911history.de/aaannxyz_ch01_en.html

"Solving 9/11" gets us to the Zionist connections to the event including fingerprints of the various IT, Intelligence and Security interests with so-called Israeli connections to the event:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Solving_9-11.pdf

In terms of evidence - "911 Research" is a repository of 9/11 discourse, evidence, photo, video, reports and assessments most of which were generated by 2006:

http://911research.wtc7.net/

Note 911 Research does not promote the no-jetliner thesis, however the evidence store is extensive, including the reports on the movement of WTC steel etc to the "killing fields" temp storage site. Note Killing Fields and associated areas display hi radioactivity.

There is the evidence of insider trading suggesting foreknowledge of the event. However the crime is larger than that.

A writer with the pseudonym EP Heidner wrote an extensive paper entitled "Collateral Damage" which highlights "the Enterprise and it's NSA/CIA connectivity and the relation to the so-called Japanese and German war treasures, known as the "Black Eagle Trust". Heidner makes the point that the Office of Naval Intelligence was investigating various securities when most of those from the office were killed on 9/11 - they were housed in the area of the Pentagon that the missile went into.... perhaps Heidner was a survivor or close to the investigation - that's one mystery, available at links:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/9442970/Collateral-Damage-U-S-Covert-Operations-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-2001-28062008

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Collateral_Damage_-_part_1.pdf

None of the above offer a whole truth, however each adds something to the jigsaw..

IT IS CLEAR THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE IS FALSE:

This fact in itself requires that truth be discovered and uncovered given the consequences as the US and its coalition of willing genocidal maniacs laid waste to the near East nations, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya and Syria, now Yemen with the tension being ramped up on Iran and particularly North Korea.

We need brave people bearing truth to take over the Official Information channels creating the ground for a full investigation of the 9/11 event.

HOW DO WE EMPLOY OUR INTEREST IN 9/11 TO 'MOBILISE FOR JAIL' FOR THE PERPETRATORS:

1. Forensic Investigation
2. A commission of inquiry with power to summon anyone to provide anything in order to find the truth.
3. Global jurisdiction to arrest, detain and deliver to justice any so ordered by the commission.
4. An international panel of jurists to hear the charges and determine sentencing and any liabilities in relation to losses whether human, community, public or private assets, any damage to environments or any other losses that can be reasonably argued such as damage to future generations of the above, through toxic or radioactive or other damage incurred through the 9/11 fall out.
5. The commission of inquiry is further charged with discovering hidden social, political, cultic, Masonic, religious, or other associations, and or networks public, private, government, mafia, or criminal that enabled the 9/11 event, it's transmission, commission, silence, and complicity both before and after, and anything circumstantial that the commission so determines, in order to establish clear conclusions about the conspiracy.
6. The commission is requested to make recommendations to all about how to ensure there are no further repeats.

STATEMENT OF INTENT:

The clear requirement is that the people of the planet can no longer be held to ransom or terrorism by any entity.

BIO:

Greg Rzesniowiecki, aka Gregfullmoon, has evolved to fill the role of public advocate specifically on behalf of the public interest concerning the TPP. As is evident in the interview Greg has a wide set of interests which contribute to his perspective and worldview.

Born in Australia, and having worked in engineering and as a union organiser, Greg moved to Motueka where he was a member of the Renewables a local climate action group. He quickly came to realise that unpacking the 9/11 event would have profound implications for public perception of their governments and the governance of the planet.

Greg has spent considerable effort informing himself about the 9/11 evidence and what that means in respect to how the event was conceived, developed, and implemented and the consequences that flow from the conspiracy to punk the US government and people into believing the Muslim terrorists hijacking 4 planes and crashing them into US assets.

Appreciating the 9/11 truth allows one to appreciate that your government is not your friend!

It lies to cover up the 9/11 truth.

It lies to covering up illegal war making and criminal aggression.

This interview was sponsored by The Awareness Party.

ADDENDUM:

PSYCHOLOGY DEPARTMENTS BECOMING ACTIVE IN ATTEMPTING TO DEMONISE CONSPIRACY THEORISING AND INVESTIGATION - two instances amongst many:

1. Paper by three psychology professors, "Connecting the dots: Illusory pattern perception predicts belief in conspiracies and the supernatural"

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.2331/epdf ...to which I responded with;

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7s5p7ikb6k58g8/Gmail%20-%20Your%20paper_%20_Connecting%20the%20dots_%20Illusory%20pattern%20perception%20predicts%20belief%20in%20conspiracies%20and%20the%20supernatural_.pdf?dl=0

1. https://theconversation.com/why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories-and-how-to-change-their-minds-82514 The author Professor Mark Lorch of Hull University also refused to engage.

Also a complete think tank on the subject of conspiracy theorising in Europe is curtailing free speech:

https://twitter.com/COST_conspiracy/status/911152729262829568

http://www.cost.eu/COST_Actions/ca/CA15101

http://www.cost.eu/COST_Actions/ca/CA15101?management

Note: two (2) of the authors of the paper ,"Connecting the dots: Illusory pattern perception predicts belief in conspiracies and the supernatural" are on the COST Comparative Analysis of Conspiracy Theories (COMPACT) action committee... who's job is to...

..."this Action will adopt a comparative approach, investigating the causes, manifestations and effects of conspiracy theories in different regions and times, and drawing on insights from history, politics, sociology, anthropology, cultural studies and psychology. The Action will pursue the inquiry in three broad areas: the manifestations and modes of transmission of conspiracy theory in different historical and cultural contexts; the variety of actors and audiences involved in the production and consumption of conspiracy theories; and the psychological and cultural causes and political consequences of belief in conspiracy. Working closely with stakeholders, this Action will build a better understanding of conspiracy theories in order to develop an effective response to them."

At no point do they investigate the veracity of the Official Information that the conspiracy theory might question, or refute... i.e. the investigation of what happened to cause the 9/11 destruction experienced. Thus the psychology paper is bogus and unsubstantiated – it ought to not have been published.

Greg.

In this interview, Dr Hadas Ore speaks about contemporary Maori Jews, which is the subject for her post-doctoral project. There's been a Jewish History in New Zealand since the very beginning of the 19th Century - so it should come as no surprise that some of our population identify as Māori Jews. This is a segment population however, that most of us know very little about.

Hadas is also interested in using her own social privileges, as a Jewish-Israeli academic woman, for ameliorating the Palestinian situation by speaking out about it. We discuss this later in the interview.

JEWISH HISTORY IN NZ:

This interview discusses the agency and power that are negotiated by older Māori Jewish women as their mana wāhine, renamed Polyfeminism. Polyfeminism is forms of feminine agency employing practical remembrance and resilience that combines the best of the Māori, Jewish and Pākeha (European) worldviews.

Hadas' analysis is based on a case study of in-depth interviews with six indigenous women aged over 50 years old and their everyday memories of their mixed ethnic tupuna as they resist injustices, and become role models for the next generation.

CONTEMPORARY MAORI JEWS:

The interviews were conducted during 2016-2017 as part of the first research project on the well-being and success stories of contemporary Māori Jews in New Zealand. It looks closely into their narratives and memories of growing up at home. Hadas show that despite of the strong hold of racism in and outside their whānau, they are typified by 'no-fuss' attitude toward their mixed ethnic identity. As older Māori Jewish women, they derive power and constitute their identity through postgraduate education in subjects related to health and education, and in most cases, learning Te Reo Māori (the Māori language).

The telling metaphor in the title is by one of the women: "filling up the other kete", encompasses their growing political awareness and long term labour in attaining the cultural knowledge and education that lead to a balanced and healthier way of living. This metaphor also evokes comfort through the resilience and practical indigenous knowledge that feed forward their well-being and the well-being of their whānau and beyond.

ISRAEL / PALESTINE:

The second half of the interview is about the Israel Palestine question, which has been ramped up by Trump since the interview was recorded. Hadas does see a two state solution as being the answer, but she added – "But then there is Jerusalem."

Hadas describes how she has found it difficult to speak out about the issues Palestinians face when in Israel. While she is happy with Israel as founded by the Balfour Agreement, she finds the new Jewish settlements unacceptable. She feels that there was opportunity for both races to have worked things out together if there had been respect and understanding between them from the start. As it is now, however, if is not safe for Jews in Israel to speak out against the status quo. It causes rifts in families, and people are ostracised if they have a more liberal view. The media in Israel is controlled, and so many people hear only the official line. Hadas believes that, like Maori, the Palestinians should have had some compensation for land loss.

BIOGRAPHY

Hadas is a Jewish-Israeli migrant mother-of-three who made her home in New Zealand in the past 16 years. She is also a social anthropologist interested in food and emotions, nostalgia, home and memory, and issues of gender, migration and indigeneity.

Hadas gained her BA and MA from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel and her PhD from the University of Auckland, New Zealand. As a social researcher she worked for the Israeli parliament in the education committee, and the Van Leer Institute in Jerusalem.

In 2016 Hadas won the Dame Joan Metge post-doctoral award by the Kate Edgar Charitable Education Trust to conduct the first study on Māori-Jews. Currently Hadas is teaching Hebrew at Kadimah School in Auckland, the only Jewish day school in New Zealand.

This interview was sponsored by The Awareness Party

To have our venerable forest giant die before us is making us realise that even far from all other countries on our planet - that we too can be affected by something that is microscopic and beneath our feet that can destroy a living treasure that can live to 2,000 years of age.

It's called Kauri dieback.

Kauri dieback is the deadly kauri disease caused by Phytophthora taxon Agathis. Following DNA studies, this fungus-like disease was formally identified in 2008 as a distinct and previously undescribed species of Phytophthora. Kauri dieback is specific to New Zealand kauri and can kill trees of all ages.

Microscopic spores in the soil infect kauri roots and damage the tissues that carry nutrients within the tree. Infected trees show a range of symptoms including yellowing of foliage, loss of leaves, canopy thinning, dead branches and lesions that bleed gum at the base of the trunk. Nearly all infected kauri die. In the past 10 years, kauri dieback has killed thousands of kauri in New Zealand.

Kauri is NZ's canary in the coal mine with this organism and there are hundreds of different phytophthora around our planet.

The potato famine in Ireland was cause by a phytophthora and there is one in Australia called cinnamomi that is devastating forests in South West Australia.

Mels states that NZ authorities are not yet serious about this and our inaction is enabling this disease to spread

Because ecologists call kauri a key stone species - it is just not one species - as it changes the soil type underneath a kauri forest over the millennia to something called pod sol - which is a very leached soil type and they do this to support themselves and support other organisms that like to live with kauri (symbiosis) and kauri becomes surrounded by its friends.

Up to 17 different species that can survive alongside kauri. And this symbiotic relations is totally unique globally and if we loose our kauri, we will loose all these other organisms that depend on kauri as well. Thus she says it is not much to stretch this - that if no action is taken we could have extinction right throughout Northland. As this die off is doubling every 5 years.

Monitoring Report faults foot traffic for spreading it.

In August of 2017, the Auckland Council released a monitoring report showing that the places with the most foot traffic, particularly Piha and the Cascades and especially Piha have a risk of kauri going extinct in the next 5 years. Because the spread now is so large and has increased so much that if it doubles again - that in the next 5 years there will be no kauri in Piha.

The Auckland Council report - states quite clearly and in stark terms that if we do not change the management of our kauri forests in the Wairakere ranges - we risk losing all of the kauri.

The problem - These spores are carried by foot born human traffic and also mountain bikes that are then used in other areas of the forest. These tiny spores in the soil and mud, cling to our shoes or bike tires and the spread becomes easy.

It's a bio security crisis affecting all of the kauri in New Zealand.

The range of Kauri in NZ is less than point 1% of what is was originally.

Before people settled in New Zealand, forest containing kauri covered much of the Coromandel Peninsula and northern areas throughout North Auckland. Today, the remaining 7,455 hectares of mature kauri forest is scattered in remnant patches.

Drastic Action Required

There are up to a million visitors walking the Waitakere Park annually.

Mels states the if we do not do something drastic as the management has been sporadic and patchy and wife we do nothing - we will lose our kauri.

Shoe cleaning stations are on many /most tracks to disinfect their shoes & boots, but unfortunately many people are not doing this small practice - the cleaning stations are quite rudimentary and people are spraying their muddy soles thinking it is a magical spray.

But as a somewhat benign spray it is not killing this organism. It needs to be a really, really good clean of your shoes and then a spray … and due to the condition of many of the tracks - mud is going to be moved around and deposited along these tracks and this is the crux of the problem.

The tracks in the Waitakere ranges Mels says are in an exceptionally poor state. For up to 20 years very little attention. She mentions that where stands of kauri are there are strategic scrub and spray stations - that the imperative is to use them every single time you came to one.

Not just once scrub and spray before going into the forest or one when you are leaving the forest. Because these 'stations' are strategically placed around all the different kauri and if you do not scrub and spray - you will just spread the contaminated mud to where the healthy kauri's are - and there lies the problem - people are too unconscious to make a real effort, hence the rapid increase of this dieback.

Visitors are not using scrub and spray stations

Some of the Auckland council sites have been monitored for compliance - however it has been estimated that of the one million visitors year only 20% are scrubbing and spraying.

This translates to 800,000 people wandering around with this disease of their feet - causing this problem to rapidly spread.

Rats, possums birds and pigs are being blamed for moving this disease around but the monitoring has proved that it is always along the tracks that pass by kauri is where all the die off it happening.

Auckland Council has completed 2 major surveys of the Waitakere ranges in 2011 &2016 and clearly find that it is human foot traffic that is going up to trees, as these are the trees that are dying off. Trees that hide away from the tracks seem to be doing very well.

22,744 trees have been surveyed by helicopter and locked in by GPS and survey teams have checked each tree to do a health analysis.

Note it is not known how long it takes from infection until symptoms are expressed.

The Tree Council fb page - check the map - it's like a cancer spreading along the tracks.

The Hillary Trail is badly infected …

The Cascades are bad too - over 20,000 people a day in summer - Piha has a lots people too. Very popular with runners too - hence this all adds to the infection along these tracks.

Pigs, rats, birds and possums are not to blame.

That she says it is not the pig, rats, birds and possums that are the cause as we would see are far more even distribution of across kauri and all over the ranges - but this is not so, as this contamination is happening all along the track network.

These animals do not exclusively use the track network like humans do. This makes it clear that it is a human problem.

The surveys show that 75% of trees infected lie within 50 metres of a track . Pigs are a problem, and need to be sorted but not the major cause by any stretch. But they are less than 25% of the problem and we humans are 75% of the problem and this is what we need to sort out.

Mels says that we humans need to own this and get it sorted. Accept responsibility for it and stop making excuses and take action.

She says that we would not see the doubling of the disease if it was only animals doing it.

The Hunua's are another Auckland Council area forest that has no kauri dieback - so the imperative is to make sure that this dieback does not happen there - It has been surveyed exactly like the Waiitakere ranges - and the Tree Council is confident that there is no infection in the Hunua's.

The Coromandel has a tiny number of infection sites - Northland has some infection but has not been surveyed like Auckland council have done, thus we do not know the scale of it, but it's in Waipoua Forest and Trounson Park and on Great Barrier island too.

Infection of other forests - Mels says is a matter of time, not if …

Maori have said enough!

This is what Te Kawerau e Maki the local iwi (tribe) - the mana whena for the Waitakere's have said - Enough!

Saying we need to get humans out of the forest and let it heal and for us to take action.

This is the forest they are kaitiaki of - that they are the guardians - to lose the kauri the Te Kawerau e maki - lose who they are …

They want a 'rahui' placed on the whole Waitakere area

Rahui is a closure and an exclusion of people from their normal activities - to let natural systems heal and regenerate - wanting us to respect the forest for this process to take place. They will be doing this very soon. Having asked the Auckland Council to do this under the sanction of a controlled area notice under the BioSecurity Act. Anyone found inside this exclusion zone woods be in breach of the BioSecurity Act.

Thus is backed by the Tree Council, Forest & Bird Society and the Friends of Regional Parks and the Waitakere Protection Society. They have all said this is what Auckland Council needs to do.

Mels say that Auckland Council must get in and move this whole initiative forward and if not the NZ Government may see fit to come in over the top of the Council - and force it to implement the closure, and then Auckland Council will lose all control over this process. Listen

Stating this is a national crisis for this toanga - treasure this keynote species that is unique that grows for up to 2,000 years - it is estimated .

She says it is not about spoiling every ones fun or a killjoy or exaggerating the scale of the problem - this is a critical time - it's about the survival of a giant mega flora species.

She wants the tracks to be brought online again once the tracks have been upgraded so as to not facilitate the spread of the disease - this way we can get people back into the Waitakere to once again to bathe in the magnificence of the cool shade and beauty that the Waitakere forest harbour.

We must remember that is was only in 2007 that Kauri dieback was first noticed

Education

Education of New Zealanders is important. Because she does not want people to.be closed out forever it's just a necessity now .. a temporary closure. To then rebuild the tracks and make them safe bio security wise.

Myrtle Rust another very recent problem in NZ.

Myrtle rust is mentioned too as an airborne disease and this now has been found in various areas of NZ - A great danger to NZ Christmas tree the pohutukawa. If seen - don't touch, just photo and call the appropriate bio security authorities or Auckland Council.

There is another fungal disease in Hawaii discovered in 2014 - called the Ohi which lives in the soil, causing leaves to turn black and fall off killing a tree in s matter of weeks. They find that human movement is the cause of spreading this disease. They say that NZ pohutukawa tree could be at risk. It has affected about 75,000 acres of forest on the big Island of Hawaii and has now spread to Tahiti.

Mels says we have to future proof our forests - infrastructure that has to last another 50 years has to be planned for and put in place.

Call to Future Proof our Forests

This disease in some ways is an opportunity for humans to step up and wisely future proof our forests, our infrastructure and tracks, our biodiversity and get on top of biosecurity at every entry point in NZ.

She says one of the reasons she came to live NZ was to walk and hang out in NZ bush and forests and show them to friends and overseas visitors

Mels say that this disease may find other hosts other than kauri and we are finding that tanekaha is being affected - so this is why the urgency for NZers, Councils and the National Government to get in and educates the masses to support a major action to save what we cherish.

Kauri root system is shallow, sensitive and close to the surface making it vulnerable - listen

Mels then tells of the biological story of the roots and how a forest giant of a kauri succumbs to these tiny microorganisms cause starvation to the colossus above.

That Kauri cannot evolve fast enough due to the rapid appearance of this disease to build up its own immunity once again

Germination of seeds that then grow around the base of the Kauri as in a nursery - that may stay very small for 30 years or more - when a nearby tree dies and falls then the seedling take off and grow in the space provided to fill that gap.

Kauri does not keep its seeds for long - it instead has a 'live' nursery that stays within the umbrella of the above foliage - but with this disease the seedlings cannot withstand it and they die - so there is no generation alive to take off and grow when the parent kauri dies.

She wants urgent Council action - before summer of December 2017-18 as there will be 100's of thousands of people tramping more disease around

Get behind the rahui.

Auckland Council is to spend $51.48 million on kauri die back over the next 10 years

Waitakere Forests are in many ways the 'Jewel in the Crown of Auckland.'

She says that after the rahui - this process of opening new tracks etc can happen in stages - this is not a bad news story.

Incrementally open tracks once the fundamentals are in place.

Mels spell sit out - the strategy the mindfulness to get it right - with the education and championed by the Auckland Council in symphony with Maori.

Mels states we need all the firepower of NZ's science - as we do not know what else this disease infects and how to actually destroy and eliminate it.

These 2 fundamental questions have not even been started in the last 9 years - Mels socks it to the scientific ineptitude in dismissing the urgency of what is attacking our venerated kauri - under the NZ Government's MPI - the Ministry of Primary Industries.

Investment is needed into our future.

She lets it rip in the end.

www.KauriRescue.org.nz

With the advent of a strong and expanding 'New Zealand Trade and Industrial Waters Forum' which Tara was very much involved in - having over 2000 members is an organisation and science and knowledge exchange extending over 5 countries. It is designed to bring about affirmative action and change in NZ in mitigating the effects of industry in turning our water into a more sustainable resource.We Exist on a Living Breathing Water Planet Water in New Zealand - As a water scientist Tara states that when we look at our planet from space we see it's blue and that is because we are essentially a water planet that gives us life - emphasising that there is no other planet in our solar system or that we have found beyond - that is covered in liquid water making earth - unique - and 70% of the earth's oxygen comes from plankton in our oceans and the necessity to keep our oceans safe. i.e. from acidification. He also is a zoologist and botanist and acknowledges that our planet is a vast superorganism.That if we take a basket ball and dip it in water - the thickness of the wetness is the depth of our atmospheric membrane that envelops our planet. - That humans live in a very narrow gas band when it comes to living a normal life.Adroit use of technology as tools to monitor water quality As a scientist he is able to use lasers to measure turbidity and the content of solids in water and also UV spectrophotometry to determine the chemical constituents and the composition of waste water. With remote stations situated all over NZ monitoring the industry and rivers and monitoring processes within industries to see how water changes form when it is piped into an industry to when it goes out. This technology is an economic driver for industry that wants to use less water or that they want to use water more efficiently as there are increasing costs involved in utilisation.He says that as a scientist who studies the data, the main interest in water in NZ is based around it being an economic driver - and that the neo liberal expedient of the last 30 years has cause so many ecological problems as a result of businesses not factoring the environmental consequences of the extraction economy - one where short term economic gain causes huge expense to mitigate and rectify. That once science in universities was the hotbed of new breakthroughs of inventions and curiosity. This has decreased markedly.New Zealand's Capacity as an Intellectual Driver of Innovation.NZ was once a world leader in innovation and in many ways it still is, however it's a struggle for a start up company here and many of our inventions end up being bought out by overseas companies flush with funds and so the country as a whole misses out on many unique opportunities. Especially around intellectual property IP.The good work that NZ water scientists do is on analysing the composition of wastewater and the automatic methods of controlling the treatment of it - is truly world beating - being at the top of their game and winning awards and medals for it.These scientists have some of the best systems of sorting out - cleaning, rejuvenating, rebuilding or preventing pollution to rivers - anywhere in the world. Do these methods get used in NZ? - and Tara demurs - not very often - but they are used overseas quite a lot. He laments that recently our country has become an economic grocery shop for overseas corporations - when what he wants is a good caring country that will healthily educate his children.Political Indifference of the PastTara mentions that once upon a time (sound familiar) politics changed and government and local government decisions were generational based on 50 years and beyond - that looked well ahead - now many decisions at a national level are based around election cycles, votes and to keeping the status quo in power. Which he states is a failure in our system of governance Water - H2O - NZ's Abundant Water Rich Produce New Zealand is a water rich country, and that is to our economic advantage as our main assets arise from water. Because it is abundant, clean (mostly) it is free, and accessible as a food producer - dairy cows are made of water, vegetables, fruit, wine, mutton and beef are made of water, and timber via trees, that all come from a water footprint - we are fortunate that we have easy and good access to water. We are effective at packaging water into many various forms and selling it overseas and so as an economy - are a water nation. Whereas some countries are steel and iron countries, producing automobiles, electronics and machine tools, whilst other countries produce oil or minerals mined out of the ground. So NZ is very dependent on water, clean fresh water and we need to be conscious of this fact.The NZ Economy Dairy = $13.6 Billion - BUT Tourism = $34.7 Billion Though dairy is our biggest exporter at 13.6 billion dollars per annum, he says we are fooled because our biggest earner is tourism $34.7 billion that involves the whole beauty of our country - it may be a little amorphous as is not about money going to one smallish sector of the society it covers a wide ranging area spread - taxi drivers, bus drivers, hotel workers, cooks and chefs and waiters, airlines, small shops marketing people - it's a permeated product so it is harder to assess, exactly what tourism earns - however treasury has done their sums - yet Tara asks why are we trashing all the rivers in our country, ruining our fishing spots - destroying lakes and making places where people can no longer swim and others - can no longer wade - for an export earner that is worth less than half of showing off the rest of the country to everybody else. Whilst that is only one industry - as there are other industries that use our water too.Dairy has made strides to clean up its actTara admits that strides have been made to clean up the rivers from dairying and that they are not the only ones that pollute - Cities pollute - Hamilton pollutes the Waikato river, Kinleith pulp and paper mill pollutes the river - even geothermal energy pollutes the Waikato river. Listen to the arsenic story - and the need for better technologies. Lack of Accountability A milk order of $50 million was sent back to NZ from China being a baby formula incident, due to contamination by water. Others also have suffered the same fate. Listen Our National Body is letting NZ down because there are 'no country wide' standards. ListenRegional Councils could do far better regarding water. For example - there was a business here in NZ, that wanted to pump pollutants into a river and the Regional Council said - you can't do that! - that's our river! We like our river. As we all know that once pollutants are in a river it affects the whole river down stream - so instead of building a wastewater treatment plant and treat their polluted water - (that upon complying with certain standards they could then pump that water into the river). This business went ahead and just built a cheap 94 metre pipeline over the fence/ border to the other Regional Council who did not care what was put in the river or not - so they off loaded their responsibility at the same time polluting the river and getting away with it. Because the two different Regional Councils had different regulations.Rivers being equated to living entities especially within Maoridom. He talks about the spiritualisation of rivers as having the same rights as a human - such as the Whanganui - but we did not take this further due to other issues to be addressed.

https://www.ourplanet.org/articles/new-zealand-government-acknowledges-a-river-as-a-living-entity-and-a-park-as-having-human-rights He talks about some frustrations around going to extremes in spiritualisation of such water and products - listen. These matters need addressing through better education.Tara then tells of certain inequalities and distortions around lack of integrity with regard to water and the fact that the Regional Council are uncoordinated across NZ, and most are election driven. He gives examples that need to be urgently addressed and in a good number of cases explains how 'the law is an ass.' So if you are a water person, an activist and someone who cares - this insightful interview needs your attention.The NZ Trade and Industrial Waters ForumThe NZ Trade and Industrial Waters Forum, which Tara was very much involved - with over 2000 members is an organisation and 'science and knowledge exchange' extending over 5 countries and growing - which is designed to bring about affirmative change in NZ with mitigating the effects of industry by turning our water into a more sustainable resource. He talks about the cowboy system …Councils requiring the 'know how' as well as having ethics embedded throughout the council business. Many people, though essentially very good humans, are voted onto a local Council but, for example - when it comes to building a $40 million wastewater treatment plant - they are not equipped educationally with the rigour and skills to decide on the viability of such a treatment plant.In years gone by - all Councils actually had their own in-house expertise such as engineers to be able to take care of such situations. Councils had wastewater engineers, structural and civil engineers, it had a planning department - however, sometime ago the NZ Government asked Councils to become more cost effective and so all these 'experts' were 'let go' - but then afterwards the Council's realised that they needed such expertise - however the fired experts in many cases had by now become 'consultants' and there are instances where when they were once saving Council ratepayers money, they then in a number of cases were now able to 'capitalise on their situation' and things got out of hand. Listen There is a story about how a NZ Council - lost the plot for its ratepayers - listen to this one … Listen also to how Wanaka Council in the South Island shows how successful a Council can be. Check out the peer review process - one is in relation to IPENZ - Institute Professional Engineers of NZ. One of the downsides of their processes that hampers peer reviews is that you are not allowed to use hindsight. Listen - so if they have already built say 5 waste water plants and they don't work - that's irrelevant because it is assumed that everybody will learn from their past mistakes.Also you can not question the data - so if the information to build the plant is supplied to the consultant and it's given to the peer reviewer and they look at it and the peer reviewer says - this information is rubbish - this information is not what is going into that plant … and they say … Oh yeah, but this … - and they then say no no, that's not the question - if that data is the right data is that the right design? And they go yeah but it's not the right data - no no that is not the question, if that data is given to you is that the right design and they go … w-e-l-l … yes and they go TICK - right - and that's the right plant then - but that is not the case, because the data is rubbish. Listen To the OAR - the Operational Assessment Process - checks and balances. There is no system like this in NZ. It needs to come here.This very needed interview covers.Water bottling in NZ and plastic bottlesThe Green Party and that they are a consensus party There is power in the people - we have just forgotten itRivers and streams - that the water clarity is such that a river is: walkable, wade-able and swim-able but don't put your head under the water … That in relations to this, there is some very deceptive spin by the previous administration In Tim's younger life he was able to swim and drink in the stream that flowed through the back of his family farm. Not any more.Farmers and good riparian rights - challenges of farmers to fence off drains as being far too expensive for the average farmer. This is an issue that has huge costs involved.Change of consciousness needed to understand our relationship with the land and a living ecologyPurpose of our Nation To be born - grow in health - and be able to live your life freely - that Gutted bio security at our borders, lacks cash and needs to be reinforced and grown. Community involvement Engagement of people Get around the table create the dialogue and start the change I asked him the question about 1080 - his reply - that it's a can of worms.

GlythosateGlyphosate in NZ Water? https://www.greenparty.org.uk/.../green-party-meps-peed... I omitted to ask him about Glyphosate in the waterways as on the 13 of May 2016 a group of 48 Members of the European Parliament (MEP) took part in a symbolic urine test ahead of the European Parliament vote to oppose the EU Commission's proposal to relicense the controversial toxic substance until 2031.The inspiration behind what was labelled the #MEPee test was the results of a recent study in Germany which found that 99.6% of people tested were found to have glyphosate residue in their urine.The results reveal that every MEP tested has been found to have glyphosate traces in their urine, with the average concentration being 1.73ng/ml. That level is more than 17 times the safe limit for drinking water. The lowest level found among the group was 0.17ng/ml, almost double the safe level. If this being the case, that means that glyphosate molecules are suspended in the human body and humans a walking time bombs. Because we are an experiment in motion. In a previous GreenplanetFM.com interview with Dr Meriel Watts, by Lisa Er this is what was said.NZ's Government Department NIWA, the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research, tested the water of Auckland harbour and were very concerned at the level of glyphosate in the water - Yet the National Government of the day was ignoring the aquatic environment.https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/dr-meriel-watts-our-food-is-denatured-through-chemical-use-nz

The fluoride question came up too, as GreenplanetFM.com is an activist program and if you wish to listen to two noted overseas health professionals this interview is an ear-opener.

https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/professor-paul-connett-dr-bill-hirzy-the-danger-of-fluoride In Conclusion

There were many other questions that I needed ask to drill down further - however that will have to await to another time. This interview I trust will be listened to by not only to the layperson, but scientists in general and local and regional body councillors as we now work together to not only pull the strings of community together, but as a nation cooperate and collaborate together so as to regenerate and renew our commitment to a clean, green New Zealand. A country that is not only a moral force for good, but also that we are a living example of a mature, independent nation, being a fair and honest player on the world stage. An interview from a courageous scientist that will bring home to you the imperative of more transparent Governance. 1) Industrial Waters email - [email protected]

The New Zealand Trade and Industrial Waters Forum

2) Here is the link for the New Zealand Trade and Industrial waters Forum group on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/groups/4484284

3) The link for the industrial waters conference 2018 - http://www.confer.co.nz/iw2018/

there is a lot of what we do here and contacts for the committee.

Note: These scientists are basically a technical organisation. They don't really have a social media presence yet - and admit they are not public friendly - but are scientist friendly. :)

Meanwhile as we all slept last night in our crew quarters all around our majestic planet - spaceship earth - whilst turning on her axis continued on her predestined path onwards in our galactic journey that some are saying is to a grand destination that we know not of. Yes, that is right, as the 7.5 billion crew share breath that the ship automatically and in many ways magically provides - we are also becoming aware that our water supply has to be venerated - in that our ship has also supplied us with fresh water for eons and it has only recently that we have forgotten its importance and the urgency now is to cherish these transparent, life giving - liquid molecules that constitute up to 70% of our body. Yes, this is all food for thought as we realise that we are more than we have ever dreamed possible, due to certain crew coming into the understanding that the purpose for existence is to awaken and find out the purpose for existence - this time is now.

Dear crew the long sleep is now over …

Tom talks of the possibility of utopia, the harmonising and reconnecting with nature and where people are kind to each other - and that systems are put in place to ensure that human rights are upheld.

(Listen to Tom's enlivened description of this process).

Matter and Consciousness

We open up with this quote below.

In 1957 an unheralded Nobel Prize experiment at the Brookhaven Research Laboratories in the US - took place.This had TD Lee and CN Yang win the award for physics, for showing that "cobalt in its observed radioactivity could tell the difference between its future and its past and utilises this fact in making a spatial distinction between its right from its left" - "It is able to choose what direction it takes!"

That we have not heard of this is because the invisible and hidden is not seen as an urgent area of exploration - even in today's scientific world.

The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence." Nikola Tesla

Matter and Consciousness

Matter and consciousness - and the mysterious and that which is hidden. Tom says this subject was closed down in academic circles during the time of Galileo and he explains why - however further in the interview Aristotle too is mentioned as also shutting down the intuitive as he was the first to quantify by weighing and measuring things, and that opened the way for 'that which was hidden - to be ignored' - as it was not really - real. See write up of Tom's previous interview. https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/tom-brown-revealing-the-hidden-knowledge-of-invisible-subtle-solar-and-planetary-forces

Knowledge of Higher Forces - curtailed

So any knowledge of higher forces was disregarded and officially banned by edict. This Tom says is extremely important knowledge that very few know about. Hence why universities today focus virtually entirely on the physical - and is a far cry from the original meaning - from Latin universitas 'the whole', and not the root word Universe.

Matter is Not Inert

Matter may not be conscious as you and I, but it is not inert and there are experiments that show it is reactive and isn't inanimate. Lily Kolisco's work 'Agriculture of tomorrow' - one of the great Bio dynamic books http://www.koliskoinstitute.org/about-us/lili-kolisko/ - Many decades of research, working with colloidal minerals and crystallising mineral substances above and below ground during different seasons etc. Working with the noble metals and the planets - Gold in the sun, Silver in the moon mercury in Mercury, Iron in Mars Tin in Jupiter and lead in Saturn.

Many experiments with the changes in crystallisation patterns during different astronomical relationships especially that gold does not crystallise properly when the moon eclipses the sun.

Metals can have the same response when drugged as animals and plants do.

Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose. Bose's work with plant sensitivity and anomalous readings - see his book "Response in the living and nonliving" that metals can have the same response when drugged as animals and plants.

https://tzmvirginia.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/bose-response-in-the-living-and-non-living.pdf

Sun and Planets Affect Metals on Earth

Giorgio Piccardi, in the University of Florence chemistry department 1950s and 60's his book 'The Chemical basis of medical climatology'. Why some chemical reactions don't work when what's happening on the sun and the earth's related magnetic field at the time. Plus other anomalies were noticed over decades based on the earth's tilt towards galactic centre on March equinox - that there were dips in readings - colloidal solutions were showing these up. ( listen it's only a 70 meg download)

http://e-libdigital.com/download/the-chemical-basis-of-medical-climatology-.pdf

Crystals - Silica - Computer Chips - Memory - AI - Artificial Intelligence

The interview covering crystals and silica, crystal sets - a tiny crystal, with no batteries listening to radio stations from around the world - to silicon chips in computers and memory to AI artificial intelligence and some scientific atheists wanting to put artificial intelligence into our body - (Ray Kurzsweil) so that we can enhance our memory capability and that what type of consciousness is machine consciousness (and the challenge of machines having no ethics, normality or virtues) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil#Criticism

Tom voiced concerns about AI - as does Steve Wozniak of Apple, Elon Musk of Tesla and Stephen Hawking the Cambridge Futurist - that we could/will become a machine operating system - (just like the Borg in Star Trek and lose any semblance of self and soul.)

Transhumanism and Solid State Entities.

Covering Dr John C Lily's work with the 'solid state entity' - an energy that for a better description can incarnate into the equipment. That Tom (like me) says - is anti life - Ray Kurzsweil's name comes up and his 'trans humanist agenda' that is basically heralding the era/error of the time of the machines - instead of evolving the soul and realising a more cro-creative natural state of being. Trans-humanism is a disconnection from nature and the natural world and could be said to be based around lower ego. By merging into a computer and just be around forever is like a hijacking of the human spirit's journey - and blind to the many great esoteric truths of the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly

'AI" - Something to keep a close eye on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HipTO_7mUOw&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs_HhZrCBdg

Rudolph Steiner and his Spiritual Understandings …

That mans mining of the earth has let out elemental energies and that there energies have incarnated into human bodies and these young beings many live by impulse and don't yet have any real deep inner foundation and so through a progression like - go from kindergarten to primary to secondary and university as in universal. - Tom talks about the chakra system and that the overall picture in the vast scheme of things - all incarnating beings have human rights - all having the right of self development and to choose their path - but as we can see everybody is not born equal especially for self determination.

'God sleeps and dreams in the minerals, awakens in plants, walks in the animals and thinks in man. What is the next evolutionary spiritual step - for us?

Tom discusses this ancient saying that goes way back in time.

Ancient Traditions?

Hamlet's Mill and the precession of the equinoxes and its basis in an integration of nearly all ancient traditions

The 2nd coming of Christ and the rising of Osiris. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet%27s_Mill

Tom states that 'we are in a rising as of this time' - we are at the end of the precessional cycle - Orion is at the highest point in the sky and it is going through these special alignments with the galactic centre.

He talks about events from Hamlet's Mill - where some civilisations and cultures speak about 'bitter millennia' when the gates are open - solstice alignments - to galactic centre and the Pleiades are in here too - this great cosmic alignment that is going on - he says people have been waiting for this time … so Tom looks at astrophysics in relation to the ancient gnostics and the possibilities that await us.

Galactic Influences

Halten Arp - astrophysicist who was evicted out of the astrophysicist community - like a modern day Galileo - was on the 200 inch telescope at Mt Wilson in the USA and was a protege of Hubble investigating merging galaxies that grew out of each other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halton_Arp#Critics He was also a critical of the Big Bang Theory.

Karl Seyfert and active galaxies - that all spiral and elliptical galaxy cores go through periodic core eruptions - which could even account for our galaxy also affecting life on earth with die offs etc - part of the whole metamorphic process - That our distance from the galactic centre is 26,000 years happens to be identical to our 26,000 year precessional cycle - so we are totally keyed into this process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Keenan_Seyfert

Toms talks about quasars from another standpoint - 'redshift' and some wild offerings - listen ...

Neutrinos

Tim's question to Tom - What about neutrinos?

Are these mega trillions of invisible particles that come out of the universe and zip through all living beings and pass right through this planet then onward into infinity … are these the etheric garment of God that is spiritual in nature and basically omnipresent?

There is a Youtube channel called Sky scholar offering insights about space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXJe9jTahA

The God Particle

We also cover the God particle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

and that the Large Hadron Collider is the world's largest and most powerful particle collider, the most complex experimental facility ever built, and the largest single machine in the world, situated at CERN between France and Switzerland. Tom mentions that when fired up there is a 'pertubance in the field' that is in proximity to CERN.

This interview, like Tom's first interview is extremely interesting and like his previous one https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/tom-brown-revealing-the-hidden-knowledge-of-invisible-subtle-solar-and-planetary-forces is definitely worthy of listening to.