Former Fairfax CEO and Free TV Chair Greg Hywood has moved out of the media world for the first time in 50 years.

Mumbrella editorial director Hal Crawford talks with Hywood at length in this interview edition of the Mumbrellacast, covering Hywood's career, the nature of journalism and journalists - and, intriguingly, his view on whether the Nine Fairfax merger he engineered seven years ago has worked.

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