Maia Szalavitz joins Zach Rhoads a discussion about addiction and harm reduction, including her forthcoming book, "Undoing Drugs".

Maia and Zach agree on a definition of addiction but re-open their epic argument about "values"  ;)

They also discuss Dr. Carl Hart's book, "Drug Use For Grown Ups" -- Maia disagrees with Hart on a fundamental point about Harm Reduction.

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