In this mind-expanding episode of The Free Thought Project podcast, Jason and Matt sit down with Mark Gober, an author, consciousness researcher, and former investment banker who has become one of the leading voices challenging the materialist paradigm of science. Mark is the author of multiple books including An End to Upside Down Thinking and An End to Upside Down Liberty, and he hosts the podcast Where Is My Mind?, which dives deep into the frontiers of science, spirituality, and the mind.

We kick things off by discussing some of the latest research in the field of consciousness studies, including the growing scientific evidence that suggests consciousness may not originate in the brain but could be fundamental to the fabric of reality. We then pivot into psychedelics and how they can open minds to a deeper spiritual understanding and the possibility that consciousness is something we all share.

Mark offers his insights on the role psychedelics play in awakening human awareness and whether he sees them as a catalyst for a global shift in consciousness. We also dive into the intersection of consciousness and liberty, exploring how reclaiming our inner sovereignty may be key to resisting the external systems of control dominating modern society.

We also touch on the CIA's long, well-documented history of studying psychic phenomena and non-ordinary states of consciousness—from Project Stargate to MK-Ultra—and what that says about the true nature of human potential and the hidden priorities of those in power.

The episode ends with a powerful white pill, as Mark shares what gives him hope right now, and how consciousness itself could be the force that helps humanity pull back from the brink.

This is one of the most enlightening and thought-provoking episodes we’ve done—don’t miss it. (Length: 1:02:05)