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Gun Lawyer — Episode 273 Transcript

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

New Jersey gun laws, accidental discharge, criminalization, reckless discharge, felony consequences,

gun ownership rights, self-defense, insurance coverage, Second Amendment, gun safety, gun dealers,

international disarmament, gun control, gun owner education, legal challenges.

SPEAKERS

Speaker 2, Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:17

I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:19

And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:20

And welcome to Gun Lawyer. Well, folks, the New Jersey legislature has done it again. They have

passed some atrocious gun laws, and I need to make all of you aware of one, particularly, that is very

much a threat. It is something that’s going to affect many, many gun owners, and it is not being talked

about in the general media, of course, because of how they write these laws in such a sneaky,

underhanded way. But this law is going to impact all of us, frankly. And the potential is there, under this

law, to not only take away gun owners’ rights to have guns, but to turn us all into felons at any time,

simply based on an accident. That’s right, an accident.

Evan Nappen 01:31

Because what New Jersey legislature’s both houses have passed, and I expect, very shortly, the

governor will sign, is Assembly Bill, 4976. (https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/A5000/4976_R2.PDF) And

what this bill does is it criminalizes Accidental Discharges (ADs). Now, an accidental discharge is when

your gun goes off, accidentally, either by what some folks call an uncommanded discharge or an

accidental discharge. But it is something that can happen, and although we have to always be very

careful, circumstances can be such that a mistake can be made. I mean, we’re all human, and mistakes

can happen. And unfortunately, you know, I see it in the practice, and I get accidental discharge cases

all the time where individuals make a mistake and a gun goes off unintended. It happens. Now

sometimes it happens because of the actual mechanical flaws to a firearm and that can be because of

a gun’s design. It can even be due to circumstances where a firearm can go off from the slightest touch.

Evan Nappen 03:08

Now you may not be aware of this, but years and years ago, I know of a case where an individual had a

shotgun that this fellow had kept loaded. One of those single shot, top-breaker type shotguns. You

know, like the old kind of like the toppers, the H and R Toppers, and what have you, similar to that. It

Page – 1 – of 11may even have been one. I don’t know. But it’s one of those old single shot shotguns. And for probably

50 years, that gun had remained loaded with a shell in it. At one point, there were folks that were

causing all kinds of problems in this guy’s yard, and he wanted to scare them off. He didn’t want to

shoot them, and he put the gun out of, pointed the gun out the window, and boom. It went off, and he

never pulled the trigger. He absolutely never pulled the trigger. There was no hit to the primer of the

shell when it went off. And what has happened was, in this particular design of the gun, the firing pin

had been pushing against the primer because the hammer was down and it didn’t have a firing pin

block. And for like 50 years, this gun sat there, sensitizing the primer so that the slightest touch, you

know, just the right jolt, without having to actually pull the trigger, made it go off. So, a gun can actually

even do that under those extraordinary circumstances.

Evan Nappen 04:57

But normally, an accidental discharge or uncommanded discharge that we encounter is because

somebody believed, honestly believed, their gun was unloaded. And it ends up, of course, that it wasn’t.

Now this can happen because somebody thought they checked it and maybe even did check. But then,

with a magazine in and the slide going forward, a round loads, but they didn’t realize that it loaded,

because they checked that it was unloaded. And sure enough, there’s a round there. I mean, I’ve seen

every combination of error that could happen and a discharge can occur. And, of course, we know the

rules, always point in a safe direction, etc. Make sure your gun is unloaded. Double, triple check to

make sure that the chamber is empty. That there’s no magazine, and there’s no live ammo. I mean, all

those things that we do. But accidents can happen, just like in a motor vehicle. We drive as safe as we

possibly can, but people still have accidents. And what New Jersey has done in this bill is essentially

criminalize an accident so that individuals will be looking at what is, in all likelihood, felony level

charges. And they structured this bill in just a sneaky, evil, devious way. It’s going to have great impact,

and it’s going to create, I think, unintended consequences.

Evan Nappen 06:40

Now, as gun owners, we have to understand how we have to behave if any of us ever are so

unfortunate as to have an uncommanded or accidental discharge. So, the law talks about “recklessly”

having a discharge. “Reckless” in criminal law means, you know, with a conscious disregard of a known

risk, okay? Criminal laws can have recklessly or reckless as a standard, as opposed to something

being intentional, right? So, if you intentionally meant to pull the trigger, that’s intentional. Reckless

could still be you didn’t intend to do it. But if there was that conscious disregard of that known risk and it

ended up discharged, then you could argue that it’s reckless. So, reckless is kind of a standard where

it’s not that traditional mens rea, your mental and your mental state of having that intention to have the

gun fire. Reckless has been in our criminal law for a long time, and reckless conduct is something that’s

out there, like reckless driving. I’m sure that you have heard of that.

Evan Nappen 08:05

But what they’re doing here is even more devious by using the word “reckless”. So, what now is being

prohibited? And I’m going to read this to you so you can see how they’ve done this. It says, a person

commits a disorderly person’s offense. Now that sounds like, okay. A disorderly persons offense in New

Jersey is equivalent to a misdemeanor. It’s not a felony. So, you’re saying, well, first of all, this is not

creating a felony. It’s creating a disorderly persons offense, right? It sounds like it’s, you know,

Page – 2 – of 11apparently, trying to be reasonable. But trust me, folks, it isn’t. I’m going to show you why. “A person

commits a disorderly persons offense by recklessly discharging a firearm.” Okay, so at this point they’re

saying, well, it’s just a low level offense, and it’s for recklessly discharge. You know, we’ve

conscientiously disregarded a known risk. Okay, so it started out sounding, you know, not great, but

okay. It’s not. It shouldn’t affect a lot of folks, and luckily, if it does, it’s still a misdemeanor. And, of

course, it requires that recklessness. So, that sounds all good.

Evan Nappen 09:22

Let me start again and read you, but wait until you hear the rest of it. A person commits a disorderly

persons offense by recklessly discharging a firearm “using live ammunition rounds”. Well, okay, that’s

good to know. A blank gun isn’t a reckless discharge, but you know you’re firing a blank. No live ammo.

Okay. So, if I’m firing dead ammo or ammo that’s not live, then that’s not a reckless discharge. Well,

good. How do I get a discharge with ammo that’s not live? I don’t know how that’s even going to

happen. But okay, they throw that in, probably more as subterfuge and, you know, smoke and mirrors.

But again, here we go. “A person commits a disorderly persons offense by recklessly discharging a

firearm using live ammunition rounds unlawfully . . .” Okay, unlawfully. So, you’re unlawful. “. . . or

without a lawful purpose.” Whoops, wait a minute. “Without a lawful purpose.” You commit a disorderly

persons offense by recklessly discharging a firearm without lawful purpose.

Evan Nappen 10:35

Except that a second conviction for such an offense constitutes a crime of the fourth degree. Well, a

crime is a felony, and that’s a fourth degree. It’s a year and a half in jail. And a third or subsequent

conviction is a third degree and that’s five years in State Prison. Okay. So, you may even read this part

and say, well, it’s still arguably, weirdly reckless, maybe. But it’s for discharging a firearm without lawful

purpose, but at least it’s a disorderly persons offense. And I, boy, if we do it once, I sure wouldn’t think

I’d do it again. So, why is this such a problem, you know.

Evan Nappen 11:09

But oh, well, wait, wait, wait. We’re not done yet. Because then it says, if a person commits a violation

under this section, you’re charged with a crime one degree higher than what ordinarily would be

charged for such an offense when the violation occurs within 100 yards, 100 yards, folks. Not 100 feet.

A football field’s worth of distance of an occupied structure. Oh, what’s an occupied structure? Any

building, room, ship, vessel, car, vehicle, or airplane, or a place adopted for overnight accommodations

of persons or for carrying on business therein. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait a minute! An

occupied structure includes a car or vehicle, and it doesn’t even mean it has to be occupied. It means

even a vehicle or a building or a room, and it has to be within 100 yards, a football field, of a car. If

there’s a car driving by within 100 yards where the accidental discharge takes place. If you’re in your

own home? I mean, this is basically every accidental discharge. You will probably be within 100 yards

of a car or a building or a room, or hotel or whatever, or an airplane. Man, even if the airplane is flying

over the sky, I don’t know. I mean, this is nuts.

Evan Nappen 12:55

So, if the violation occurs within 100 yards of a “structure”, guess what? It’s no longer that disorderly

persons offense. It’s bumped instantly to the fourth degree, felony level offense. Up to a year and a half

Page – 3 – of 11in State Prison, and now you’re going to be a convicted felon. That’s if your gun discharged for not

having, without a lawful purpose. Oh, you mean like an accident? Yeah! Like an accident. An accident

because you didn’t have a lawful purpose. Did you lawfully have a purposeful accident? No, that’s

silliness in a nutshell. So, what it means now is essentially any accidental discharge is a felony in New

Jersey, and you can face State Prison time of at least a year and a half, unless it’s going to be

enhanced even more based on these other factors. And as a felon, you lose your gun rights for the

entire United States.

Evan Nappen 14:12

And even if it’s kept at the misdemeanor, a so-called disorderly persons level, they’re still going to go

after your gun license and your gun rights. They’ll claim, under Chapter 58-3 of the licensing law, that

you’re somehow a danger to public health, safety, welfare. You think if you’re going to have a criminal

charge, a criminal offense charged here of accidental discharge, where they’re classifying it as reckless

because it went for a “an unlawful purpose”. Like I said, I don’t know how you have a lawful purpose

accident. And it was somehow within 100 yards of any car or room, which made it originally a felony

even, right? Felony level in New Jersey. You’re getting your license and your guns confiscated and

taken and face prosecution over this insane law.

Evan Nappen 15:17

Now, this is the consequences of this bill, right? But that’s just the consequences in the law itself, like

the penalty you may face and licensing problems. But what it also means is that upon any accidental

discharge, folks, any, you immediately, now, immediately, have a Fifth Amendment right against self-

incrimination, and you’re going to have to stand by that. Because I know in many of the cases we’ve

seen, someone had an accidental discharge, and it may have gone through their wall. It may have gone

to a neighbor’s house. It may have not whatever. But if you react, if you call the police, if you try to find

out what happened, any type, you’re getting criminally charged. You have a right to say nothing. You

have an absolute right, a Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, because you will end up incriminating

yourself. This is going to mean that any New Jersey gun owner who has an AD or an uncommanded

accidental discharge needs to immediately take the Fifth and seek counsel, the Sixth Amendment. Just

call your attorney and don’t say anything to anyone. Do not make any statements to law enforcement or

anybody. And, you know, this is a shame. Because what if that round actually caused injury to

somebody?

Teddy Nappen 16:59

Actually take it a step further.

Evan Nappen 17:01

Think about it. You’re gonna incriminate yourself. You gotta absolutely. Go ahead, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 17:07

Take it a step further. Imagine instead of “gun”, this was “car”. I asked. I was in. I got into a car

accident. So, therefore, all car accidents are felonies, where there is nowhere. Were you back? Were

you 100 feet from your driveway? Was there a car driving by? Did you back into that car? Felony! You

are now a felon because of that. And don’t tell me it’s the firearm versus the car! Because the car is a

Page – 4 – of 11two ton steel death machine that kills more people than firearms do. So, it’s that level of argument, the

utter draconian insanity that they have created here. Where from an accident, an actual accident, God

forbid.

Evan Nappen 17:54

An accident. That is right.

Teddy Nappen 17:56

You are guilty until proven innocent.

Evan Nappen 17:59

And wait. Let me say this. This has been put out there as a possible problem for self-defenders. And

that’s actually not completely accurate, because there’s an exemption here that says it’s an affirmative

defense, if you fired your gun in self-defense. Okay. Affirmative defense means the burden is on you to

prove that you acted in self-defense. Then they’ll say, okay, that wasn’t a reckless discharge. But even

the fact that the legislature has to put in there that if you act in self-defense, it’s an affirmative defense.

Well, wait a minute. Why is it an affirmative defense? Because it wouldn’t have been reckless if it was

intentional. Why do we even need that? So, in other words, the legislature itself knows that they’ve

manipulated this law to simply be discharge for unlawful purpose, period. If you didn’t have a lawful

purpose when your gun went off, it’s felony level if it’s within 100 yards of a car, or a room, or a building.

Insanity.

Evan Nappen 19:05

And as you say, Teddy, it would be like making every car accident, any fender bender that you have,

you become charged with a felony. New Jersey has done that to gun owners now. Any accident, any

accidental discharge, you’re going to face these criminal charges. This is going to, you’re going to end

up in the system. If you have an AD, you’re getting charged. And now we’re going to have to fight this

out on an offense that is essentially strict liability. That is the way they’ve set it up. Couching it and

hiding it under so-called reckless, recklessly. But when they actually write it, they put the recklessly with

the little bonus of having “without a lawful purpose”. This is nuts. Nuts. Nuts.

Evan Nappen 19:58

I’m telling you right now the cases we get, it’s going to be crazy, crazy and a problem. So, folks, be

extra careful. This is bad news. It has passed both houses, and the Governor, I’m sure, will sign it very

shortly, if he hasn’t signed it already. And now gun owners are at extreme risk under this law.

Teddy Nappen 20:24

I just thought of another one, too. What if you’re a first time shooter and you go to a range course,

you’re in a range, a gun range learning, and the gun accidentally goes off because you’re brand new to

firearms? You’re now a convicted felon. No discretion.

Evan Nappen 20:44

Oh, well. It was near a room. That’s right, no discretion, and anybody that has that AD. So, again, it’s

designed to disenfranchise gun owners of Second Amendment rights. And by the way, you may not be

Page – 5 – of 11able to then get even insurance coverage. Because if it’s criminalized over what you did, it’s not

anymore. Now, you’re talking about behavior where they can claim it’s a criminal act. It’s a criminal act,

okay? And again, you may depending on your policy, depending on what actually the injuries and

damage, you may not even have coverage. The insurance companies will use it to deny you coverage.

I’m sure of that. That’s their job, as it normally is, anyway. To try to figure out how to deny coverage.

Well, they’ve just given them that ability on the civil side to further make it harder for you. It’s

jeopardizing gun rights, and it’s looking at creating incarceration at felony level for gun owners. It’s

outrageous, and it really is something that I’m sure we’re going to see major, major impact. And then

that’s not the only fun. Go ahead, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 22:04

I was just curious on the constitutionality of it? Because they’ve made, there must be some avenue.

Because it’s very, like they’re giving no discretion? And just saying.

Evan Nappen 22:16

Nope.

Teddy Nappen 22:16

It’s automatic. There’s no constitutional challenge.

Evan Nappen 22:20

Well, I guess there could always be a constitutional challenge. But what’s going to happen is it’s going

to have to be the fight. The real fight is going to be over, maybe an argument of, was there a conscious,

conscientious disregard, or conscious disregard of a known risk. But the other side will argue that as

soon as you have a gun with ammo, you have a known risk. I mean, a firearm, and that’s their entire

anti-Second Amendment strategy.

Teddy Nappen 22:43

When you deal with guns, you do so at your peril.

Evan Nappen 22:53

Right! And that’s New Jersey case law, right there. So, they’re saying, hey, you do it at your peril. You

took a known risk because you possessed a gun, even. You can well see a New Jersey jury buying that

argument. This is nuts, and gun owners, beware, beware, beware, beware. And like I said, this isn’t the

only shenanigan that occurred in Trenton. They also signed S1425.

(https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/S1500/1425_R1.PDF) Now, this is actually law. This law, real quick,

specifically applies just to dealers. Just to New Jersey dealers. How nice. They have their own very

special law now. This law says, “A licensed dealer who sells or transfers a firearm to a person when the

dealer knows or reasonably should know that person intends to sell, transfer, assign, or otherwise

dispose of that firearm to a person who is disqualified from possessing a firearm under State or federal

law is guilty of a crime of the second degree.” That means up to 10 years in State Prison. They have a

minimum mandatory period of three and a half years, and they made it a second degree. This is insane.

Page – 6 – of 11Evan Nappen 24:03

If you’re a dealer in New Jersey, they can claim that you reasonably should have known that a gun you

transferred to somebody was going to be transferred to somebody who was disqualified from

possessing. Let me give you an example. You sell a Red Rider BB gun. That’s a firearm under New

Jersey law. And if you reasonably should have known that that person was going to let their kid have

that BB gun, you’re looking at a second degree charge here, Dealers. Yeah for that BB gun. Because

as long as the state can show you reasonably should know that, that the person intended to transfer it

to someone who was disqualified, who would be arguably that minor, unless it’s under a strict

exemption. I mean, this is the kind of pathways being cut here. How do you know or reasonably should

know? What is that reasonably should have known nonsense?

Evan Nappen 25:03

I mean, that’s again, 12 people on a jury are the ones who’s going to decide whether reasonably you

should know. All the law says, “. . . ‘reasonably should know’ means that a person reasonably should

know a fact when, under the circumstances, a person of reasonable prudence and competence would

ascertain or know that fact.” Oh, that’s a that’s so crystal clear. Huh? Real, crystal clear. Now what it

means is 12 people who aren’t smart enough to avoid jury duty are going to decide whether the dealer

should have known on that gun sale. And if they decide otherwise, the dealer is looking at a minimum

mandatory sentence on a second degree crime, which carries up to 10 years in State Prison. Okay?

That’s what they’re doing. Focused on New Jersey dealers. Do you think they want to put every dealer

in New Jersey out of business? I do. And that’s the other bonus law that’s actually signed into law. It’s

ripe for abuse, folks. Beware. It is just atrocious what’s going on in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 26:07

Let me tell you about our fight. You know, we are in this fight. We constantly, we’ve tried to fight these

things. New Jersey is an extremely tough environment. We’re going to see court challenges, even more

court challenges, and it’s our state Association that’s going to be heading the fight. I’m sure we’re going

to see a constitutional challenge to this so-called Accidental Discharge bill and the same over what

they’re looking to do to dealers. And it’s ANJRPC, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs at

the forefront, fighting for our rights. They’re the umbrella organization of gun clubs in New Jersey, and

you can join as an individual member. You really need to. You’ll be sent email alerts, and you’ll be told

what’s going on. And you know, we’re able to get changes made with pressure, but most importantly,

our salvation seems to be in the judicial fight in the courts. The Association is there as we speak. This

is an extremely tough environment in New Jersey, the toughest in America, where the oppression of

Second Amendment rights is second to none. New Jersey wins the prize for Second Amendment

oppression, and it’s the Association there at the forefront. You need to be a member. Go to anjrpc.org

and join today. Be part of the solution. It’s really important that you do that.

Evan Nappen 27:43

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accessible, off the Parkway. It’s where Teddy and I both shoot, and we both qualified. It’s where we got

our CCARE and where we get our training. We love WeShoot. That’s the place to shoot. It’s a place

you can shoot. They have a wonderful facility, a great pro shop, and great instructors. You’ve got to

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Page – 7 – of 11specials, and they have all the top state of the art equipment. Check out weshootusa.com.

weshootusa.com. You’ll be glad you did. It is a great resource for us to have a range right there in

Central New Jersey that is as professional and modern as WeShoot. Go to weshootusa.com and check

them out. You will be thrilled, just like Teddy and I. Well, that’s where we shoot. It’s what we love. You’ll

love it too.

Evan Nappen 29:00

Let me also mention my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. I’m working

on the update from what I just told you today. So, the free update will be coming out, including the 2026

Comprehensive Update. We’re going to look at and add in all the new laws that’ll be coming out shortly.

So, if you have the book, make sure you scan the QR cover. The QR code on the cover. Join my free

private subscriber base, and you’ll get notice of the updates that are forthcoming. You can buy the book

at EvanNappen.com. That’s right, www.EvanNappen.com. Go to EvanNappen.com and get the big

orange book today. You’ll be glad you did. It’s over 500 pages, 120 topics, all Question and Answer,

designed to make it as user friendly as possible. I try to make it so you can navigate these treacherous

waters of Second Amendment oppression in New Jersey. So, go to EvanNappen.com and get your

book. Teddy, what do you have for us today in Press Checks?

Teddy Nappen 30:15

Well, as you know, Press Checks are always free. While you’re talking about the utter insanity that is

New Jersey, there’s one positive bit of news. It’s kind of been, you know, from the entire news cycle of

everything they try to cover. There’s one thing that kind of slipped under the cracks that some people

did pick up on. And it caught my eye. I was like, wait a second, I remember this. So, President Trump

has withdrawn from the UN Register of Conventional Arms. (https://gunrights.org/united-states-

withdraws-from-united-nations-register-of-conventional-arms/) That treaty. Now, I remember growing up

as a kid, Dad, you told me, always keep an eye out if there are blue helmets walking down the street.

Evan Nappen 31:01

Yeah, that’s right, that blue helmet day came, if that ever was to come. Yep.

Teddy Nappen 31:08

And oh, I remember you telling me about that treaty. And you know that stupid, you know, the UN has

always been an anti-gun organization, with that stupid, bent revolver they have.

Evan Nappen 31:20

Yeah, the revolver with a barrel and a pretzel knot. (https://dam.media.un.org/archive/Gift-of-

Luxembourg-to-the-United-Nations-2AM9LOQORWK.html) I mean, look at folks. It’s a revolver, by the

way. It’s not an AK, you know. It’s not an AR. It’s not in an “assault firearm”. No, no. It’s a freaking

revolver with a barrel in a pretzel knot there. Gee, who are the primary possessors of revolvers? I

wonder. Is that paramilitary organizations? No. Terrorist, radicalized wackos? No. A revolver. Let me

see. Oh, you mean, like average citizens? Wow, hmm. Interesting.

Page – 8 – of 11Teddy Nappen 32:02

But what I remember that being back, you know, where this was a big fear. Where it was the giant arms

treaty, where they were trying, I think it wasn’t ratified by Obama, but that was that insane policy to try,

even. The UN even actually has an Office of Disarmament. (https://disarmament.unoda.org/en/our-

work/conventional-arms/legal-instruments/arms-trade-treaty) That’s actually their whole like deal. What

they try to push for. Now, they cloak it in like militarily. If you actually go to the website, this was from

the gunrights.org. (https://gunrights.org/united-states-withdraws-from-united-nations-register-of-

conventional-arms/) The National Association of Gun Rights put out the article, and they provide the

link where you can go on to the UN website. You can see their register of their whole charter on the

UN, and it goes into they brag about it. We’ve recorded and captured 90% of the global arms trade. By

the way, this was supposed to be about, you know, tanks, armored carriers. You know, stuff used in

actual, like, large scale warfare. But then I love how they do this. In 2016 they adopted the international

small arms and light weapons in parallel with the other seven categories, so we can keep track of all

small arms. Hmm, 2016. What were they doing to try, what was the big anti-gun push to try to disarm

us around that time? Thinking that they’re going to try to go around collecting our arms in the United

States. Like it’s so disgusting. I love how they just cloak it. You actually can go on to their reports. I got

bored. So, I clicked the arms report of 2023 and I was like, okay, armored carriers, all that . Small arms.

I wanted to look and see who were like the top buyers. So, revolvers and self-loading pistols – Iraq.

Apparently.

Evan Nappen 33:57

Really?

Teddy Nappen 33:58

Yeah, like 2,150 pistols from us to Iraq.

Evan Nappen 34:03

Oh, from the U.S.?

Teddy Nappen 34:05

Yeah, from the U.S. It keeps track of each country.

Evan Nappen 34:07

Well, we’re making them.

Teddy Nappen 34:09

Yeah.

Evan Nappen 34:09

Of course. We’re a major industrial manufacturer. What we should be doing is making guns.

Teddy Nappen 34:14

Yeah. And then rifles and carbines. They separate that from “assault firearms”. Rifles and carbines.

20,000 to Israel. So, there you go for that end.

Page – 9 – of 11Evan Nappen 34:27

Yeah, Israel makes a lot of their own weapons, too, and they make really good ones.

Teddy Nappen 34:32

Yeah, I know they have the Hebrew hammer.

Evan Nappen 34:35

Oh, yeah!

Teddy Nappen 34:35

The Tabor X95. (https://iwi.us/firearms/tavor-x95/) But with the sub-machine guns, Saudi Arabia, 550.

Evan Nappen 34:41

This doesn’t even matter. This is so absurd, and it’s just trying to globalize Second Amendment

oppression. You know, our country’s blessed with Second Amendment. And of course, New Jersey

does everything it can to undermine it, but the majority of America doesn’t do that. But internationally,

we, you know, they hate us. They hate our Constitution, and they want to see us disarmed. We are

standing as a threat to their globalist intentions, right?

Teddy Nappen 35:21

I mean, that was the famous line that Donald Trump said to the world. The world does not belong to

globalists. And that’s a fact. And here, in their charter, they even say, such measures, as they’re

describing the whole disarmament office, such measures can also encourage restraint in the transfer

and production of armament and decelerate military build up. In words of, okay, we need to lower the

amount of guns in the world and try to disarm the people. That’s the cover they run, but they dress it up.

I will give the Left credit. Their ability to wordsmith their way into something else is crazy.

Evan Nappen 36:06

Well, listen, man. It’s not every political group that can convince people, you know, that a man can be a

woman. So, why can’t they convince the world about this with guns? Right?

Teddy Nappen 36:17

Well, it’s the political group that has the. When they did the whole study on mental health of different

groups, the vast majority of people that vote Democrat have mental illness. So, let that sink in. That

was an actual study, and that was put out by, like, CNN! So.

Evan Nappen 36:18

Really?

Teddy Nappen 36:19

Yeah, they had to be like. No, I love it. If you are ever bored? Anyone who’s very bored, go on to CNN

and catch Harry Enton, the statistics guy. He’s the golden retriever of CNN. He just talks about

numbers, and he gets so excited. He’s like, oh my God, have you seen these numbers? I can’t believe

Page – 10 – of 11it. He’s always, like, shocked every time. He sees like, you know, everyone keeps saying Trump’s

numbers are going bad, but you go over to here. Six months ago, 84, and now, it’s 85. Oh, wow,

amazing. Like, it’s just, it’s that energy. It’s crazy.

Evan Nappen 37:13

Well, how old is he? Maybe he’s just trying to get excitement to statistics?

Teddy Nappen 37:18

I know, but it’s just like, what are the numbers? Pretty good. He’s like, gad Zooks. He’s like, clapping. I

know. It’s just like, what the heck is it? Like if anyone is bored? Just look up Harry Enten on CNN. He’s,

it’s so fucking weird.

Evan Nappen 37:37

Okay, I love it. All right, Teddy. Well, that is interesting to know, but I’m not surprised, not surprised at

all. This is the moment, the moment when we discuss the GOFU, that is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. It is

one of the most important aspects of what we do, because every day we deal with Gun Owner Fuck

Ups. And when we can let the listeners know, you get to learn expensive lessons for free. And this

week’s GOFU is real simple. It’s Accidental Discharge. Let me just make it real clear. Now, more than

ever, more than ever, you’ve got to be extremely overly conscientious. You better triple check

chambers. You’ve got to make sure. You cannot afford in any way to have any kind of Accidental

Discharge in New Jersey, because you risk it all. You risk it all. You risk becoming a felon. You risk

going to prison. You risk losing your gun rights for the entire United States. You risk not being covered,

arguably, by insurance. It is an insane risk that New Jersey is imposing, and I’ve seen 80 cases

throughout my entire practice. Unfortunately, they happen, and, you know, in hindsight, they’re all

avoidable. But folks don’t be a GOFU. Please, please, please. Follow all the rules of safety, and make

sure you treat every gun as loaded. Every gun, you treat as loaded. Do not for a second, not do that.

It’s just that critical. They’re criminalizing those who make a simple mistake, and there is no tolerance.

Evan Nappen 40:00

This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from

criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 2 40:13

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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Second Amendment rights, New Jersey gun laws, national firearm licensing, anti-gun oppression, domestic violence restraining order, federal firearms licensing act, gun control measures, gun rights suppression, gun violence prevention, gun rights advocacy, gun rights litigation, gun rights education, gun rights resources, gun rights history, gun rights updates.

SPEAKERS

Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen, Evan Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.

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Evan Nappen 26:28 That makes sense.

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Evan Nappen 27:45 Good way to translate it.

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Teddy Nappen 30:55 No, no, no. He says.

Evan Nappen 30:56 What did he say in Zulu?

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Evan Nappen 31:02 No comedian.

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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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Gun Lawyer — Episode 271 Transcript

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Second Amendment, New Jersey, gun oppression, Bruen decision, carry permits, violent crime, John Petrolino, high capacity magazines, gun training, NRA classes, self-defense, gun laws, gun rights, gun ownership, legal battles, gun journalist.

SPEAKERS

Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2, Evan Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:16 And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:18

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try to protect it, they do everything they can to try to diminish it. That’s the evil of what the New Jersey government is all about, and that’s really what it is.

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every time there is anything that is pro-gun rights, pro-enforcing our Constitutional rights, anything that expands our ability to exercise our rights, the anti-rights crowd, the oppressors, will shout what I call BITS, bits. Which is Blood In The Streets. There’ll be blood in the streets. You know, this is going to be the Wild West. This is going to be, you know, just the sky is falling, right? Every time, every time. And so, of course, the prediction was, if we have carry, we’re going to have blood in the streets. And it’s going to be terrible and all this mayhem. And guess what? The opposite, of course, the opposite. The opposite happened.

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about real journalism that puts out a product that is otherwise not being seen, and in doing so, aids our Second Amendment rights and helps fight the oppression with the disinfectant of truth. John, congratulations on your awards. That is just really great, because when you win, we win, and it gets the message out. So, that’s a great job, and we’re proud of you.

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Second Amendment oppression, especially on those key issues that affect so many of us. So, join the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs at anjrpc.org.

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Evan Nappen 26:05 I love the Puckle gun.

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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Security evaluation, electronic security, physical security, camera surveillance, alarm systems, firearm

safety, mental state, personal protection, dog security, property defense, legal implications, pet rights,

self-defense, gun laws, New Jersey gun law.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2

Evan Nappen 00:14

I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:16

and I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:18

and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, 2026 is just about upon us, and what’s really great to do at the

beginning of the year is to take a look at your own security for yourself and your family as we start this

new year. And as you know, it’s dangerous out there and you know, we’re gun owners, and we believe

in defense and self-defense. There are things we need to do that include guns, but also don’t include

guns when it comes to evaluating your own personal security, which is something that we all should be

very concerned about. So, when you want to think about your security, particularly in your home and

through your life, there are two ways to divide security. You have what is electronic security and then

what we might call physical security.

Evan Nappen 01:25

So, electronic security would include lighting, alarm systems, and cameras. That kind of security falls

into, you know, surveillance and warnings and illumination and really is reliant upon electronic security.

In terms of physical security, we have gun safes and other safes, dogs. Dogs are a form of physical

security. Locks, good locks, good bars on windows where it may be needed. And of course, our

firearms are the last resort of our physical security. And the idea is to have an excellent combination of

both physical and electronic security. You want to cover all the bases to give you a full security

umbrella. And, of course, combined into all this is your mental state, and for that, I would highly

recommend Jeff Cooper’s “The Principles of Personal Protection”. You’ll gain insight into your daily life

and what you need to do to have awareness and those principles.

Evan Nappen 02:58

But these areas of electronic and physical security are very critical, especially today. Also, you know,

electronic security, a lot of it, combines computers and our cell phones, too, as well. And so, with what’s

available today, it’s kind of amazing, because it is very reasonable to have camera surveillance. I

Page – 1 – of 10mean, you know, a number of decades ago, if you wanted to have cameras on your property, protecting

your home, etc, it was tens of thousands of dollars. It was basically not within reach of average people

to have that kind of surveillance. But now, with the advent of the internet and with these smaller,

amazingly effective cameras, you know, particularly Ring and other companies, you can absolutely

have great, actually, camera surveillance better than decades ago with the equipment that existed then,

and for just a fraction, a fraction of the price. I mean, every person should have at least a Ring doorbell

or some equivalent to that, so that you know who’s coming to your door. It films motion and those

individuals that may approach, and not just individuals, but also animals, cars, and other things. This is

a really great advance in modern-day technology, not just in what it does, but in the amazing,

reasonable cost that you can get it done and accomplished for.

Evan Nappen 04:58

Of course, there are other cameras that can work into your floodlights. Floodlights that also record and

are motion driven and part of the system, the alarm system itself, which is great. Very easy to self

install and put in a Ring alarm system. And they work very well. And you know, not to have an alarm

system in your house with the availability of just a Ring alarm system or something else for electronic,

you know, other brands too, that are out there, Simply Safe and others, is really a serious mistake,

because you can get yourself and your family electronic protection at a very reasonable cost today. I

mean, look, decades ago, you had to hire a professional alarm company. They had to hard wire, and

they had to do all the switches, all that. What they have available today is amazing and very effective. It

can give you that added peace of mind, and you can combine it with the cameras, both inside cameras

outside cameras and other motion detectors.

Evan Nappen 06:07

All kinds of things are out there that you can do yourself pretty darn easily and give yourself the

protection. You want to combine that protection with good lighting. Lighting is also very important.

Lighting helps discourage theft and other bad people. It illuminates them, and also the camera records

them. It can also give you advance warning of individuals that come into your perimeter by both the

camera surveillance and by the alarm itself. I mean, you know, you go to sleep at night. You have your

cameras, and you turn on the perimeter of your alarm. You’re protecting yourself and your family. And

you know that the physical security becomes important. You have the good locks. You have your

valuables stored in safes. You hopefully have your dog or dogs, and you have your firearms. When you

have that gamut of protection, both electronic and physical, you know that you’re maximizing your

ability to defend yourself and your loved ones. These things today can be accomplished at a very

reasonable cost, and there’s really no reason that an average person cannot have security that

decades ago would have been tens of thousands of dollars. This is the new world.

Evan Nappen 07:45

And not only that, it combines into apps on your phone. You’re able to control your alarm away from

your home, turning it on and off. You can see what activity is going on. You’re able to look at the

cameras. You don’t have to even be at your house, and you can surveil and see and get notice. It is

really an amazing time when you consider what’s available in electronic security and in physical

security, with the better locks, enforcers that can be added to doors. Things that can be not even as

obvious, but adding tremendous security. And this is a mindset, folks. It’s a mindset for the new year.

Page – 2 – of 10You should do your own security evaluation of your home and your property. Look to see if you have

bushes or trees that block the view from the road, where persons can break in through a window and

not be seen. Look at your lighting. Take a look. Is it lit up? Well, look at your cameras and the angles

and areas that are covered by your outdoor cameras, by your floodlight cameras. Look at where you

have cameras inside your home. Now, you want to be aware of your own privacy, and that’s very

important. But there are places in your home that you don’t frequent all the time, basements, garages,

etc., where you can have cameras to even provide interior protection should an intruder come in. These

are things to consider in the full picture of your security.

Evan Nappen 09:26

And if you’re able to have a dog, let me tell you, dogs can make a huge difference. You know, in

surveys they’ve done on felons and criminals and such, they ask what they’re most afraid of? Well, the

number one thing that criminals are afraid of is an armed homeowner. That’s right. Number one thing

they’re afraid of is a homeowner with a gun. So, right there is an important deterrent factor. The second

thing that felons, criminals, etc. are most afraid of is two dogs. Believe it or not, two dogs really freaks

them out. That gets their attention. But even having one dog is very important, because dogs bark.

Dogs are keenly aware. Their senses are better than yours and mine, superior. And dogs are an alert

system. I know of cases, actual cases, where individuals were looking to do a hot robbery and, even

worse, commit murder, just to randomly kill, and they went to canvas homes. And homes that had dogs

they avoided, and they hit the home that didn’t have a dog. It wouldn’t matter if the home they came to

had a little yapper that was barking, they avoided that home just because of the dog being there as an

alert system. So, dogs are very important, very critical. I would highly recommend having a dog. The

other thing is dogs, you know, they are loyal, and depending on your type of dog, most of the dogs

designed for security, will happily give their life to save yours. And dogs can buy the time in between

the bad guys wanting to harm you and your family, for you to get to your gun to have the ultimate

protection.

Evan Nappen 11:42

So, these are things you need to consider when you look at your own security and your own physical

security of yourself and your family. At the beginning of the year, it’s a good time to think about it and

figure how secure are you? Ask yourself, how secure are you when you go to sleep at night? Do you

feel secure? Do you have camera surveillance? Do you have alarm surveillance? Do you have a dog

on the lookout? Do you have your firearms? Do you know how to use them? Are you trained? And do

other members of your family understand how to use these things as well? Think about these things. I

want all my listeners to be safe and protected, and these are things that can help you and may make

the difference. So, stay safe in ’26, folks. It’s going to be an interesting year, that’s for sure.

Evan Nappen 12:36

And with the Big Beautiful Bill kicking in, with no more NFA tax, and with very interesting court cases

proceeding, we may be able to enhance our security even more with guns and accessories that the

Second Amendment oppressors have tried to stop us from having. So, stay tuned. Teddy, what do you

have for us today?

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Well, as you know, Press Checks are always free, and this is something that kind of came up as I was

flipping through. This is actually an issue. We kind of talked about the whole idea of defensive property.

So, this is out of Pennsylvania, from Kinship News by Petrana Radulovic.

(https://www.kinship.com/news/pennsylvania-pets-are-family-divorce) Pennsylvania House passed a

bill saying pets are family members, not objects. I’m not joking.

Evan Nappen 13:45

Well, pets are normally viewed as property.

Teddy Nappen 13:47

Yeah.

Evan Nappen 13:48

Now they’re declaring pets to be family members.

Teddy Nappen 13:53

Yep, the article talks.

Evan Nappen 13:54

Can I take them as a deduction on my income tax?

Teddy Nappen 13:57

I don’t know. This is the thing, though, it opens up that gate. Well, it may just might because in

Pennsylvania, the House passed a new bill classifying pets as living beings that are generally guarded

as cherished family members. In the bill.

Evan Nappen 14:17

Cherished family members.

Teddy Nappen 14:19

During divorce proceedings. There’s the caveat.

Evan Nappen 14:23

Oh, okay.

Teddy Nappen 14:24

It’s House Bill 92, and it passed with 121 over 82. Now going for the Senate. The argument was that

the statute for special category for companion animals, where judges would then be legally required to

consider the welfare of the pets when it comes to which individual gets custody.

(https://pawprintoxygen.com/blogs/healthy-paws/pennsylvania-pet-custody-law-update) It’s literally

taking.

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Well, some people are very attached to our dogs. We get very emotionally attached.

Teddy Nappen 14:55

But it takes the whole stage of who gets the dog to a whole new level.

Evan Nappen 15:00

Yeah, I guess it does. Well, maybe you can request visitation for your dog. But the problem is, well, it

could be beneficial, because if it’s viewed that way, and gun owners defend their dog from harm. It’s

actually may, down the road, maybe raise it to the same as protecting a human. So, that given how

emotionally attached we are to our dogs, that defending our dog, you know, but it also, you know,

basically it’s John Wick. It’s the entire premise of John Wick, huh, when it comes to that, as to your dog

being harmed.

Teddy Nappen 15:49

Well, I look at it as the slippery slope where they say it’s a fallacy, but in actuality, just because the

amount of things that have opened the floodgates, cut to transgender, men can become women. You

can cut to any subject where it’s like, well, they didn’t look at the unintended consequences of these

actions. Where, right now, it opens that door, where could dogs not be considered property. Could you

defend your dog in a self-defense? And funny enough, right out of here, out of USA Carry, it was a

whole article by Brian Armstrong. “Can you use deadly force to protect your pet?” And it was one of

those where he brings up a variety of scenarios where, generally speaking, if someone’s attacking your

dog, you can’t just shoot them.

Evan Nappen 16:41

Right. Because the dog is property, and yet, maybe we’ll see that turn around if dogs start being treated

as family members under the law. But it does open it up to, well, if we start treating them as people,

then how can you know, what if you have to put your dog down? Like you can’t take your kid to have

them put down, right? Because that’s a person. But what about a dog or a cat, etc.? And by the way,

why are we excluding cats? Do cats get covered under this, too? Cats aren’t going to be considered

family members?

Teddy Nappen 17:19

It says pets, so I guess dogs and cats.

Evan Nappen 17:20

Oh, so wait a minute. So, any pet?

Teddy Nappen 17:26

Any pet. Like my pet rock, my pet Scorpion.

Evan Nappen 17:29

See now it starts to open up. Gerbils, horses, right?

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It’s one of those. But.

Evan Nappen 17:38

My pet alligator. My comfort Gator.

Teddy Nappen 17:42

However, I do look at some of the positives. I know we had this whole back and forth on the right of

defending property, and I think this could open things up for that. Where people could have the right in

using lethal force to defend property. It’s one of those that I would like to see them iron that out more.

Even in the article, he was bringing up scenarios where you could have that situation. He brought up,

like a man’s walking down and you see a dog attacking your dog, and where you have that idea where

you’re technically trying to defend property, from the, you know, you can shoot like wild animals

attacking your dog.

Evan Nappen 18:20

Well, in some states, they have laws allowing you to shoot dogs that are wild, that are feral, that attack

deer, etc. Some of that’s out there, but you know, normally, though they’re viewed as property. And if

we’re going to start giving them status as humans that can cut both ways. It can be problematic too.

Because if an individual then shoots a dog, they may face penalties as if they shot a person.

Teddy Nappen 19:01

I know. Your very first case. This is the exact issue, actually.

Evan Nappen 19:04

Exactly, exactly, exactly my very first case. And, yeah, well, I don’t know. Because, you know, I haven’t

discussed that in a while. Maybe I should actually tell that story here, because it is a classic of one of

the earliest cases.

Teddy Nappen 19:26

A tale as old as time, one might say.

Evan Nappen 19:29

Yeah, this is in another state, other than New Jersey. My client was shooting coyotes out his bedroom

window at three o’clock in the morning over a bait and a light, which was perfectly legal in the place

where he was doing it, believe it or not. But, unfortunately, there was a dog that belonged to a neighbor

that lived, not really that close, but the dog, apparently, that night, decided to run with the homeboys.

You know, with the coyotes. And my client, inadvertently, shot the dog thinking it was a coyote. And

what he would do is he’d shoot the coyotes and leave them there so that other coyotes came and he’d

shoot them, too. He didn’t go out there to retrieve dead coyotes. Well, anyway, that night, after shooting

the dog, unbeknownst to him, there’s this banging on his door. A woman is there holding her dog that’s

been shot. And she’s like, you shot my dog, you shot my dog. And he’s like, oh my god, I had no clue. I

had no idea. I’m sorry. I’m so sorry.

Page – 6 – of 10Evan Nappen 20:37

And she’s all bent about it. I mean, I can understand, you know, who wants to have their dog shot? On

the other hand, she should not be letting her dog run around loose. So, she calls the police, and the

police come. The police say, hey, lady, we’ve told you a half a dozen times not to let your dog run

loose. So, too bad. Your dog was shot, but it’s not criminal. Goodbye. Well, she’s not to be deterred,

and she calls Fish and Game. Well, it so happens that there was a Fish and Game law that had

relatively recently come out about shooting a dog. If you shot a dog while hunting or any other way, you

were required to call it in that a dog was shot. Anyway, this Fish and Game Officer decides to be the

white knight for this woman who’s hysterical and charges my client with shooting the dog and not

reporting it, etc. Now, of course, it was reported because the police had come. So, it was reported, but

it didn’t stop them.

Evan Nappen 21:47

So, anyway, the charge moves into the Municipal Court. We bring a motion not only based on the facts,

that he arguably did have it get reported because the police came, but also that this law was, in effect,

a violation of his Fifth Amendment, because it was requiring self-incrimination in mandating this

reporting. And when I put this through the Fish and Game Officer who in this state, they would

prosecute their own cases, a couple things. He had actually gotten sick and tired of this woman who

was just incessantly hysterical and just couldn’t get over this. And he had, I think, had enough of that,

and realized that we were in a constitutional area on this new law, and that there actually was arguably

a reporting. So, he dismissed the case without us having to actually have the hearing.

Evan Nappen 22:56

And so with the case dismissed, I walked out of the court with my client, and I’m explaining to him how

he can get his gun back from the Fish and Game Officer. And this woman comes running out of the

courtroom. She’s at the top of the courthouse steps. She has a dozen pictures of the dog in her fists,

and she’s waving them around. She’s screaming and yelling. She comes running down the steps, and

she starts pounding my client on his chest with these photos of the dog, and screaming, you killed my

dog. You killed my dog. And he kind of falls backwards. I’m there, and I just try to give her a command

to stop. I said stop, you know, stop. Stop that. Back off, right? Trying to just command her to stop. At

which time, she turns and she points her finger at me with a fistful of dog pictures, and she says, and

you his mother fucking fat attorney. At which time I said, how dare you call me an attorney. And right

then and there, the bailiffs grabbed her and arrested her. They took her away. My client, I’m saying him,

are you okay? Are you okay? Because he’s still on the ground, and he goes, yeah, I’m okay. Man, I’m

just laughing so hard I can’t get up. So, that is the famous dog shooting case. True story.

Evan Nappen 24:39

And anyway, well, Teddy, we’ll see what happens about dogs taking on human status. But I want to

mention our good friends at WeShoot.

Teddy Nappen 24:52

It could be a voting block.

Page – 7 – of 10Evan Nappen 24:54

Yeah, it could be. I wouldn’t be surprised since the Democrats are losing their illegal alien voting base.

Maybe this is part of their plan. Maybe we got to get dogs to vote. But they might, who knows? Dogs

are pretty smart. They probably wouldn’t vote Democrat, except for maybe some poodles. I don’t know.

Sometimes they’re pretty smart, too. Maybe they’d go the right way.

Teddy Nappen 25:17

A lot of golden retrievers.

Evan Nappen 25:19

Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, what do you think about that? Well, goldens are pretty good. I don’t know. I

don’t want to be insulting to goldens.

Teddy Nappen 25:25

They’re very loving, but they’re very stupid.

Evan Nappen 25:27

They are. Oh, my god. Do you know how much hate mail you’re gonna get for saying that? We love all

dogs.

Teddy Nappen 25:34

I’m not saying I don’t love them. I’m just saying, like golden retrievers are so.

Evan Nappen 25:35

Well, they better not be only, only Democrat Golden Retrievers. We will not.

Teddy Nappen 25:42

German, the German Shepherds, though, those are crazy smart, where they were open, you know, the

door.

Evan Nappen 25:47

The Dems will claim that the German Shepherds are fascist, racist, of course. You know, extreme right.

I could just hear it. Oh, God, this is gonna get off the charts. Well, let me mention our good friends at

WeShoot, who is, of course, our favorite range. Where we, you and me, Teddy. We shoot there. We

train there. We got our CCARE certificates there, and lots of other good training. Great pro shop, great

range. They’re located right there in Lakewood, New Jersey, right off the Parkway. Easy access. Great

folks. Great environment. State of the art range, great pro shop, and a fantastic website. Go to

weshootusa.com, and you can check out their website. They have all kinds of great specials and sales,

and they send out news alerts and bulletins letting you know about all kinds of special deals. And

actually, their emails are excellent. Even their communication is excellent with WeShoot. WeShoot

members, they love we shoot, and I know you’ll love it, too. So, check out WeShoot. Pay them a visit.

You’ll see why we shoot there, and you’ll see why it’s one of the finest ranges and best resources for

gun owners right there in Central Jersey. weshootusa.com

Page – 8 – of 10Evan Nappen 27:22

And I also want to mention our friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are

the premier gun rights defenders for New Jersey. They’re there in the courts, fighting as we speak.

Fighting right now, in that Third Circuit Court of Appeals on the Carry Killer Law, assault firearms, and

magazines. It’s great. We’re going to see some awesome results. I’m very optimistic here. We’re going

to finally see New Jersey put in its place by the judiciary. This is great stuff. We can thank President

Trump for that. Many of the judges that he has been, both his first term and second term, they’re

making all the difference when it comes to enforcing and protecting our Second Amendment rights. And

the Association is there litigating in federal court. They also have a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton.

Please make sure you join the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. anjrpc.org ANJRPC is

the premier organization, folks, and when you belong to them, you’re going to get email alerts as to the

shenanigans going on in Trenton, as to the progress in the litigation. You’re going to be on top of things

and be able to take action as needed. So, please join. Make sure you’re a member.

Evan Nappen 28:58

And let me also shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun

law, and if you don’t have a copy, you’re at a severe disadvantage, because it is the best anti-GOFU

medicine there is. My book is written to protect law-abiding gun owners, to teach them what they need

to know to try to remain law- abiding in the extremely challenging state of the Democratic People’s

Republic of New Jersey. So, get your copy of New Jersey Gun Law by going to EvanNappen.com.

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Evan Nappen 30:08

So, speaking of GOFUs, what do we have this week for GOFU? Well, I’m going to tell you. We were

just talking about security at the beginning of the show, but, you know, you’ve got to be careful with

your own security. Because you don’t want to have GOFU if you’re using cameras. You want to be

careful about your own privacy. You want to be careful about what you film. And yet, sometimes by not

having cameras, you can be put at a disadvantage, and that can be a GOFU. So, the importance of

your cameras can help you in a situation of self- defense, because it can demonstrate that you were

justified. But at the same time, if you acted wrongly, it could be a problem. But since you are only going

to act properly, it will end up documenting in video what occurred, and this has made the difference in

cases that I’ve had where there have been Ring and other video that exculpate. That’s a fancy legal

word for essentially proving or demonstrating innocence. Exculpating the client from certain charges.

Evan Nappen 31:43

So, the GOFU can be a GOFU if it’s not used properly, but in this instance, the GOFU might become

the opposite, an advantage, when used properly. So, consider that when dealing with your security

situation, and think about the scenarios that you may have to deal with in how you place and distribute

your cameras and your alarm. And how you take care of your guns and your dog and how you maintain

physical security, by securing your firearms when they’re not being used, etc. These are all important

considerations as you begin this new year, so that we can all stay safe.

Page – 9 – of 10Evan Nappen 32:34

This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from

criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Second Amendment, New Jersey Democrats, gun laws, machine gun conversion devices, digital

instructions, firearm components, gun owner gulag, cash bail, pre-trial detention, carry killer bill,

sensitive places, gun rights, constitutional rights, gun lawyer.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15

I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17

And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:19

And welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, the New Jersey Democrats are going to give gun owners a

Nightmare Before Christmas. What they are doing is pushing a package of Second Amendment

oppression upon us, and they decided that the perfect time to do it is right before Christmas. On

Monday, December 22, the Senate will be having a voting session. They’re going to be looking at bills

that we’re going to talk about right now, and you need to take action. You know, you need to let the

legislators know that you oppose this. Hopefully you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle &

Pistol Clubs. If not, you need to join. That’s anjrpc.org. They send out the news releases where you can

immediately take action and let the legislature know your feelings on their oppression of our Second

Amendment rights as they continue to attack them.

Evan Nappen 01:33

Now, we have some very problematic laws that they’re going to be trying to jam through, and I want to

make sure that you’re aware of what they are and what they mean. So, we have what is A-4974, and its

companion in the Senate is S-3893. (https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2024/S3893) This bill

establishes criminal penalties for sale and possession of machine gun conversion devices. Now, of

course, these things are already banned. They’re already banned under federal law and state law, but

New Jersey just can’t ban something enough, right? So, they’re just duplicating here even more bans

upon bans. This is supposedly addressing so-called Glock triggers, but New Jersey usually finds a way

to expand it to all kinds of other nonsense. We’ve seen these things lead off into false charges over

devices that are not designed to convert to machine guns, but instead designed to simply improve

accuracy and a trigger or those kind of things. So, these things are just problematic, and they’re just

putting bans on top of bans. And they just want to make sure their name is on a piece of law where

they’re “doing something about it”. You know, to sell red meat to their base. So, we have that to deal

with.

Page – 1 – of 10Evan Nappen 03:16

Additionally, we have A-4975 and the Senate companion bill is S-3894.

(https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2024/A3894) This bill establishes a crime of possessing digital

instructions to illegally manufacture firearms and firearm components. Now, keep in mind, back in 2018

Murphy signed a law banning the use and sale these digital files already, but this bill is even worse. The

mere possession of the files will result in incredibly harsh penalties, even if you unknowingly possess

them on a long forgotten computer, etc. So, New Jersey is turning firearm information, pure firearm

digital information, into the equivalent of possessing child pornography. Simple possession of the digital

file itself.

Evan Nappen 04:20

It doesn’t matter that you never had any intention to actually build a firearm, but this gun information is

itself being turned into contraband. Now, of course, this brings in First Amendment issues as well as

Second Amendment issues, and I’m sure this will as well be subject to challenge. But nonetheless, it

puts gun owners at risk that utilize internet and such for downloads of different things. Strictly for

informational purposes. Even though you had no intent to 3D print a gun or not, or to use it with a CNC

machine to make guns or even gun parts. So, this bill is another oppression of Second Amendment

rights, and this time an oppression of First Amendment rights. But since when do Democrats care about

rights? So, you need to oppose this as well.

Evan Nappen 05:25

There is another bill, Assembly 4978, and the Senate companion is 3897.

(https://pub.njleg.gov/Bills/2024/S4000/3897_I1.HTM) Now, this bill requires the Attorney General to

report data regarding shootings that did not result in bodily injury. This type of data accumulation is

used so then they can twist it into political fodder to further pass other Second Amendment oppression

laws. This is their game. So, this is a step in, you know, focusing on the potential discharge law, making

accidents into crimes, and using it to become automatic licensing disqualifiers, what become essentially

per se felonies. This is how their evil works. This is what they do. This is their machinations, and this is

the beginnings of them laying the groundwork to do that very thing. We’ve seen this playbook before,

as they put data together that they then abuse in the manner that suits their purposes. So, of course,

we have to fight this.

Evan Nappen 06:53

Another incredibly serious other bill that’s in the Nightmare Before Christmas is Assembly 4981. The

companion is S-3900. (https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2024/A4981) Now, this bill is a Gun

Owner Gulag enhancement bill. This law will take the Gun Owner Gulag and make it even worse. So,

as you should be familiar, but I want to make sure you are, New Jersey has the Gun Owner Gulag,

which is New Jersey’s elimination of cash bail. In getting rid of cash bails, like so many progressive blue

states took those actions to do that in the specifically during the, you know, defund police movement

and all that. You normally hear about the cashless bails being utilized, where actual criminals, bona fide

bad guys, you know, rapists, murders, etc, are put in a revolving door and released very quickly out in

the street, particularly if they have other characteristics that the Left is favoring, such as being, you

Page – 2 – of 10know, illegally in the country and things like that. They want those people out fast. So, it gets used in

that way.

Evan Nappen 08:15

But when it comes to weaponization of it against gun owners, well, that’s a different story. They want to

imprison us. Okay? So they want to make sure that any gun owner that has a problem, well, they’re

going to be subject to the Gulag, where they’re going to be held without bail until their trial, because

there is no more bail in New Jersey. And what happens is the prosecutor seeks what is called pre-trial

detention. And if pre-trial detention is granted, you’re going to sit in jail, having been proven guilty of

nothing, until your trial, and that can be months or years. So, this is the Gulag, and that’s how it

operates. Well, that’s bad enough. We fight these Gulag cases all the time, trying to get gun owners out

because just about any gun offense is a felony level. New Jersey calls them crimes, and they’re

normally warrant offenses. You get arrested and then you’re put through the Gulag where you’re held

for 48 hours while the prosecutor decides whether to seek pre-trial detention or not.

Evan Nappen 09:20

And their policies are, generally, in every gun case, they seek the Gulag, which is to hold you without

bail. So, you’re going to be held at least, normally, another five days before your hearing, where your

attorney will finally get to argue to get you out. And if your attorney is not successful in doing that, you

are staying in with no bail. Well, this bill is an enhancement to that. It will allow the court to take even

more time on any firearm offense where they get to hold you for yet another seven days, so that an

operability report can somehow be provided regarding the operability of a firearm, which is often

irrelevant to the criminal charge, especially in New Jersey. Operability is not even necessarily required

for a firearm conviction, but here the abuse of it will be added into the Gulag’s initial holding of the gun

owner. So, now you’re going to be arrested on the warrant charge on whatever the allegation of the

firearm offense is, even though you’re innocent, it won’t matter. It’s a gun offense. So, the 48 hours, the

prosecutor by way of their policy is going to hold you seeking pre-trial detention. Then that pre-trial

detention hearing has to get scheduled within, arguably, five days, and normally it’s about that, five

days, before you have the hearing.

Evan Nappen 10:57

But if we get to that hearing and they say, oh no, we want another seven days, at least, here the seven

days to get an operability report. So, now you’re going to be in jail for approximately two weeks, two

weeks, without bail, because there is no bail. And that’s just to get you to the hearing so your attorney

can try to argue to defeat the prosecutor’s motion for pre-trial detention. And they’re going to now throw

this into the mix. So, you can figure with any gun arrest, you know, you’re falsely accused of being in a

“sensitive place” or you’re falsely accused of possession of an assault firearm, or you’re falsely accused

of unlawful possession of your handgun. You know all kind of false charges and gun rights oppression

that I deal with all the time in practice. Well, you’re going to be at least two weeks in jail now before we

can even get you out so we can fight the charge that will eventually get you acquitted of. Isn’t that cute?

And that’s if your attorney knows how to get you out and succeeds in doing so. Because if not, you’ll

just sit in jail until your trial to finally prove that. So, this is the just horrible addition to the Gun Owner

Gulag.

Page – 3 – of 10Evan Nappen 12:20

These bills need to be fought, and they need to be fought vigorously. Make sure you make your voices

heard. Make sure you belong to ANJRPC, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They

have a full-time paid lobbyist. They have a vigorous process here trying to fight this, but of course,

we’re dealing with a state where it is a tremendous battle for the forces of constitutional rights

protection. Here to succeed, it’s a difficult, challenging environment, but we have to keep up the fight.

We have to make our voices known, and we can make changes. As a matter of fact, that Gulag bill, the

Association was able to change the original form where it was an indefinite amount of time until they

finally got the report. At least it’s been modified to a mere seven days extra. So, now it’s only two weeks

in jail, guilty of nothing. Simply because you lawfully exercised your rights in New Jersey. So, these

laws are terrible. They are more oppression from our oppressors. We need to fight it and make sure

you do.

Evan Nappen 13:44

Now, on a little bit of a Christmas gift here, despite the nightmare that the New Jersey Democrats are

placing upon us. I do want to mention that thanks to President Trump and his appointment of judges

throughout the land, not the least of which, of course, is the Supreme Court, getting three conservative

constitutionalist judges there. But also his ability to add to the judges of the Third Circuit Court of

Appeals. And because of President Trump particularly adding the last two judges that are constitutional

judges that understand the significance of the Second Amendment, the full panel of 14 judges has

agreed to hear the appeal in the Siegel versus Platkin, which is the Carry Killer lawsuit that challenges

all these sensitive places and the other onerous restrictions that were put forward in the Carry Killer bill.

And as you may know, the initial appeal with the three-judge panel, the three-judge panel that had ruled

not tremendously in our favor, has been wiped out, wiped out. Now, the full panel of 14 judges are

going to hear and decide the Carry Killer bill. This is very good news for us.

Evan Nappen 15:26

This is something that makes me cautiously optimistic that we’re going to see some protection and our

Second Amendment rights enforced, and it’s very, very important. Of course, New Jersey fought tooth

and nail to try to stop the full panel from granting the en banc full panel, but the Association, particularly

my good friend and colleague, Dan Schmutter, was successful here in having that full panel take the

case. So, this will also bode well, because by getting a decision that knocks out most, if not all, of the

Carry Killer bill, it’ll also lay the groundwork for the Supreme Court of the United States. If we start

getting split decisions in the circuits over these sensitive place gambit that the Second Amendment

oppressionists have pulled after Bruen to try to limit our rights, we may, in fact, see even a national

case killing it permanently for the country. But here in New Jersey, we stand in good stead at the

moment.

Evan Nappen 16:47

Keep in mind that, at the moment, where can you carry and what are the categories where you can and

can’t carry right now, at the current state. Remember, you cannot lawfully carry, even with a New

Jersey carry permit, within 100 feet of a public gathering, demonstration or event requiring a

Government permit. You’re still barred from zoos, parks, beaches, recreational facilities or areas owned

or controlled by the state, county or local government unit designated as a gun-free zone. Publicly

Page – 4 – of 10owned or leased libraries or museums. Bars or restaurants where alcohol is served and any other sites

or facilities where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises. Entertainment facilities. Casinos and

related facilities. And healthcare facilities.

Evan Nappen 17:41

Now you currently can lawfully carry with a New Jersey carry permit, of course, while this appeal is not

resolved. These things are still blocked, though, and you’re able to carry, and this isn’t a complete list.

But essentially in vehicles. As you may recall, the carjacker protection law that was built into the Carry

Killer law, saying that you couldn’t have your loaded gun on your person in your vehicle. That is still

blocked, and we are, we may carry in our vehicle, in that manner. Private property open to the public is

no longer and still is not a sensitive place. In public film locations, we are able to carry. Additionally, the

ruling is still in effect blocking the insurance requirement. As you may recall, at some point, Murphy

issued an Executive Order banning the sale of so-called murder insurance, where you had gun owner

protection programs, and then proceeded in the Carry Killer bill to mandate by law that you get actual

murder insurance. Meaning insurance if someone commits an intentional act with a firearm, essentially

murdering somebody. That’s been blocked. So, we don’t have to have insurance to have a carry

license. And blocking certain permit procedures and requirements that were more administrative in

nature.

Evan Nappen 19:23

So, this is where we’re standing. But the good news is, with the full panel reviewing it, I’m very excited

to see that outcome, and so should you. So, there is still hope. There is hope that the judiciary is going

to speak for our rights, and that same full panel will be also considering New Jersey’s magazine ban

and so-called assault firearm ban. So we are hopeful for some very good outcomes here, and we’ll

keep you informed here on Gun Lawyer.

Evan Nappen 20:07

Let me also mention our good friends at WeShoot. That’s where Teddy and I both shoot and where we

get our training. And you will love WeShoot. WeShoot is a great indoor range right in Lakewood,

conveniently off the Parkway. They constantly run great sales, and they have great service, a fantastic

pro shop and a state of the art range, great training. I really can’t give it high enough praise. We love

WeShoot, and so will you. Check out WeShoot at weshootusa.com. They have a great website with

beautiful photographs. And you don’t want to miss the WeShoot girls that are there posing with some of

the finest guns that you will ever see. So, make sure you go to WeShoot and take advantage of that

fantastic resource for gun owners, right in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 21:11

And let me also shamelessly plug my book, which is New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun

law. Make sure you get the book, folks. You need this book. It is the guidebook to keeping you safe, out

of jail and not committing GOFUs in New Jersey. It’s 120 topics, all question and answer. It fills you in

so you will know what the law is. It is the guidebook used by thousands and thousands of gun owners

throughout New Jersey. You can get your copy today by going to EvanNappen.com. EvanNappen.com.

Hey, Teddy, what do you have for us today?

Page – 5 – of 10Teddy Nappen 21:56

Well, one of the things you know, it’s the holidays, Christmas, and everything’s coming along, and all

the wins that have been coming through, and all the crazy insanity that you’ve described. I always think

back to the show that you introduced me to, Paladin. There’s a particular episode, I think it was even

the Christmas episode where Paladin is there. It’s a whole deal with the fan, like, there’s a small, I think

it’s like a house living out there. And the ending line to the whole episode is, it’s Christmas. He’s saying

to the guy, it’s Christmas. This is the, this is the one day of the year where we pretend there’s no evil.

And that kind of sticks with me in the idea of this is supposed to be the time spent with family, and

particularly, we can pretend and not think about all the anti-gun jerks and the gun rights oppressors.

This is the time to enjoy Christmas movies, particular ones that involve firearms. So, as I was scanning

through the internet, I saw one, I love this article, the top 10 Christmas movies with guns.

(https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/top-10-christmas-movies-with-guns/) Hey.

Evan Nappen 23:17

So, that is what Christmas should be about. Guns.

Teddy Nappen 23:22

Yeah, exactly. And to start things off, of course, they go with the most controversial one, which is Die

Hard.

Evan Nappen 23:31

Which we will agree is a Christmas movie.

Teddy Nappen 23:35

Correct. I’ve heard all the debates.

Evan Nappen 23:37

Ho, ho, ho. I have a machine gun. How does it get any less Christmas than that.

Teddy Nappen 23:42

And quite simply, it’s not Christmas without Hans Gruber falling off the Nakatomi building.

Evan Nappen 23:49

Yeah, and you know what gun he had, right?

Teddy Nappen 23:55

So, well, you had Bruce Willis with his Beretta 92 with the focus.

Evan Nappen 24:01

Of course.

Teddy Nappen 24:02

But there’s also the MP 5.

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Yippie IA, Yippie Ki A.

Teddy Nappen 24:08

And the P7 M13s.

Evan Nappen 24:12

P7 that what Hans there, I believe, had.

Teddy Nappen 24:17

Correct. And it was very good gun play in that part, where he’s no bullets, and it tricks him. The next

one, this is actually, it’s one of those where it’s like, what the heck is this movie? I had to watch it,

though. I think you were there when we watched Fat Man.

Evan Nappen 24:36

Oh god, yeah.

Teddy Nappen 24:37

It is probably the funniest, like, weirdest film you could watch. We have Mel Gibson and is this whole

plot to murder Santa Claus. It’s him fighting, fighting Boyd Crowder from Justified. Walter Goggins.

Crazy gun play between a 1911 and the fat man using a Colt Walker.

Evan Nappen 25:06

Yep, definitely. It’s an entertaining film.

Teddy Nappen 25:12

Yeah, it’s just one of those. I was like, okay, interesting. Now, this is technically Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang,

which is a Christmas heist of a film. I don’t know if you ever saw it. With Robert Downey, Jr.

Evan Nappen 25:26

I may have.

Teddy Nappen 25:27

Kind of an action comedy. They’re carrying their Vector CP One.

Evan Nappen 25:34

Oh, Vectors are in it. Huh, okay.

Teddy Nappen 25:35

Yeah. And, of course, another HK P7. It’s kind of one of one of those, you kind of spot there. But I was

like, I didn’t realize it involved Christmas.

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The one I will highlight, though I always thought was funny, he put on Home Alone, one and two. Here’s

the reason. Because, remember, the kid, he plays that clip, the black and white movie where he keeps.

Evan Nappen 25:44

Well, you know, the P7 used to be the pistol of the New Jersey State Police, but they had over 40

accidental discharges with it, and they gave it up. And that’s because, although it was marketed as

being one of the safest guns, the problem is, it’s a front squeeze that cocks the gun, when you squeeze

the front. Unlike a 1911 that has a safety on the back, this squeeze cocks from the front. And the

problem is, if you, if you’re not practiced and trained well enough, when you draw the gun out of a

holster, you’re cocking it as you pull it out, and that creates a situation that is not exactly the safest

situation to be in. There were numerous ADs with that gun. So, something to keep in mind. I think

they’re cool and a very interesting design, but I remember seeing Superintendent Pagano talking about

it. And he basically said, hey, look, it’s not the gun’s fault. He’s blaming his men. How nice of him.

Yeah, right. So that was that episode of the gun, in theory, seeming like it may have been one of the

safest guns, but in reality, it was prone to needing a lot of training to make sure that you didn’t cock it

until you were ready to. So, there you go.

Evan Nappen 27:36

Oh yeah.

Teddy Nappen 27:36

The bad guys, oh yeah, yeah. Well, I believe you, but my tommy gun don’t. And it’s like, you’ve been

smooching with everybody. Snuffy, Dale, Leo, Little Mo with the gimpy leg, Bony Bob, Cliff, and the guy

thinks he’s actually like sleeping with all these individuals.

Evan Nappen 27:58

Great.

Teddy Nappen 27:59

Yeah. The Thompson 1921 AC sub machine gun. The actual movie is Angel With Filthy Souls.

Evan Nappen 28:08

Hmm huh. Okay.

Teddy Nappen 28:11

Yeah.

Evan Nappen 28:11

So, that was actually a clip from an actual movie?

Teddy Nappen 28:14

Yeah, that was funny. And, of course, The Christmas Story with the Red Ryder BB gun.

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Oh, the classic of all classics. And in New Jersey, that’s a firearm. It’s not a BB, you know? It’s not just

a little old BB gun. There it is, bona fide, defined as a firearm.

Teddy Nappen 28:32

Yeah. And they threw in some honorable mentions, like White Christmas. Where it takes, the start is at

the Battle of the Bulge. So, you have the M1 Garand coming into play of that. And then.

Evan Nappen 28:46

As Patton said, the greatest battle rifle ever devised.

Teddy Nappen 28:51

I’d agree. And then you have Scrooged with Santa wielding the XM 556 mini gun.

Evan Nappen 29:00

Okay.

Teddy Nappen 29:02

And then also Bill Murray with his, remember, he had a stainless snub nose revolver because he’s

freaking out that a ghost is there.

Evan Nappen 29:10

Okay, yeah.

Teddy Nappen 29:12

They couldn’t determine that.

Evan Nappen 29:14

He didn’t do much with him and guns, but yeah. Unless it’s some gun for taking out ghosts, right? Ghost

Busters.

Teddy Nappen 29:22

Oh, and of course, our Majesty’s Secret Service, James Bond and Christmas, what more could you

want? With his Walther PPK.

Evan Nappen 29:33

Oh yeah, James Bond sometimes had some screwy gun stuff. I remember in one of them where he has

an AR7, and the guy’s talking about. And it’s a 25 caliber AR. I’m like, it’s not 25. It’s 22. But hey, what

do they know?

Teddy Nappen 29:52

Yeah, it’s, this is just a fun list, and it’s something I just kind of like, wow, I didn’t really consider some of

these as, like, Chrismas movies. But I guess so.

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Well, as long as it has guns in it, we’ll declare them to be Christmas movies.

Teddy Nappen 30:08

Fair enough. If it has a gun and it’s a Christmas movie, that’s it.

Evan Nappen 30:11

That’s it. That’s the standard from now on. From now on, that’s the standard.

Teddy Nappen 30:16

There you go.

Evan Nappen 30:17

Oh, that’s good stuff, Teddy. And soon we’ll be enjoying Christmas guns. That’s the deal. That’s the

deal. Hey, it is very important that we discuss this week’s GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up.

These are mistakes that actual clients make that causes them problems, expensive problems. You get

to learn for free. And this week’s GOFU is about printing. And I don’t mean printing with your computer

printer. I mean about your gun showing when you’re carrying concealed. Now, in New Jersey, it’s not

illegal to print. Believe it or not. A gun has to be concealed, but it doesn’t address printing while

concealed. However, in New Jersey, you don’t want to print. Because not only do we need to carry

concealed, but you want to keep that concealment private and secret.

Evan Nappen 31:20

New Jersey is loaded with all kinds of people that are scared of guns, aren’t used to guns, and they can

end up calling police because they think someone’s carrying a gun. And next thing you know, even

though you’re legal to carry. You also give away tactical advantage, if people can make you as

carrying. And this is an issue where individuals can make false accusations against you if they believe

that you’re carrying. So, you want to make sure you don’t print when you conceal carry in Jersey. Make

sure you are as discrete as possible. Also, you don’t want to inadvertently end up in a sensitive place

and have a gun identified on you because you’re printing. You shouldn’t be in a sensitive place, but if

you’re printing and in a sensitive place, then you’re going to have a bigger problem. So, be very

conscientious when you carry, whether or not you’re printing, or whether your method of carry allows

for inadvertent display of your firearm, even for a moment, because you want to stay discrete. You want

your concealed carry to be concealed carry, and ultimately that gives you, if nothing else, a tactical

advantage of surprise should you need your gun.

Evan Nappen 32:51

This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from

criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 2 33:01

Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by

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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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New Jersey gun rights, Assembly 6211, criminal trespass, sensitive places, carry killer bill, Supreme Court, trespass law, private property, research facilities, utility company property, school property, fourth degree crime, defiant trespasser, gun attorney, national reciprocity.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:16 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:18 And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:20

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Teddy Nappen 13:49

Evan Nappen 13:59

Teddy Nappen 14:01 Well, I mean.

Evan Nappen 14:02 Well, here’s what it is.

Teddy Nappen 14:03

Evan Nappen 14:04

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Evan Nappen 31:14

Teddy Nappen 31:17 No, I guess not.

Evan Nappen 31:18 Yeah, right, huh, yeah.

Teddy Nappen 31:20 Call it like, yeah.

Evan Nappen 31:24 Call it.

Teddy Nappen 31:26

Evan Nappen 32:00

Evan Nappen 32:17

Teddy Nappen 32:43 Correct.

Evan Nappen 32:43

Teddy Nappen 32:52

Evan Nappen 33:04

Teddy Nappen 33:12 Yeah.

Evan Nappen 33:12

Teddy Nappen 33:15

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Speaker 2 39:58

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

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Gun Lawyer, podcast of the year, Gundies awards, Second Amendment, New Jersey gun laws, assault firearms, registration, inheritance, gun rights, Supreme Court, firearms instructor, tactical rabbi, gun rights oppression, voting prizes, gun lawyer nomination.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:16 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:19

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Evan Nappen 03:31

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Evan Nappen 05:13

Teddy Nappen 05:14 Correct.

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tube-fed, semi-auto .22 can hold as many rounds as the tube wishes, and is possible to hold. Not a problem. So, that’s how that works.

Evan Nappen 19:45

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everybody as West Yorkshire. He was shocked after police visited then detained him over the image, which he says was taken legally on private property in Florida.

Evan Nappen 27:05

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Evan Nappen 28:04

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Evan Nappen 28:17

Teddy Nappen 28:19

Evan Nappen 28:25 Oh, God, you can’t.

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went and tried to cause a huge problem for him and his family. It was outrageous over just a picture of his son legally with a gun. And that was New Jersey. Now, luckily, he didn’t get arrested and criminally charged and thrown in jail. But still, you know, these things can happen even in New Jersey, and it’s getting worse and worse. So, we have to be very vigilant of this. And it shows you. I mean, the U.K. is just the, I would call them, the formerly Great Britain. Formerly Great Britain.

Teddy Nappen 29:47

Evan Nappen 30:34

Teddy Nappen 30:36

Evan Nappen 30:40 Yeah.

Teddy Nappen 30:41

Evan Nappen 31:11

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because that’s the only way they can win. They can’t win in the battlegrounds of ideology. Showed that by them killing Charlie Kirk. Now they want to go for arresting you for your ideas. That is their goal.

Evan Nappen 31:27 Good.

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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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Second Amendment, gun rights, Justice Department, civil rights, New Jersey, institutionalized racism, carry permits, mental health disqualifiers, unlawful possession, extreme risk protection orders, national reciprocity, gun laws, Second Amendment oppression, gun rights office, gun lawyer.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2

Evan Nappen 00:16 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:18 And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:20

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simple charges of unlawful possession. And look, you might say, well, no one should unlawfully possess, and this is the game that they play. But in reality, the exemptions are so narrow that if you’re in any way outside them, you can become a victim of New Jersey gun laws. If you’re charged with unlawful possession of a handgun because you went to your friend’s house with the gun and you didn’t have a carry permit. If you brought it empty, unloaded in the box, just to show them, and your friend even wanted you to bring it over to show it to him. Well, there’s no exemption that allows for that. You get charged with unlawful possession of a handgun. You’re looking at a Second Degree, felony level offense. It carries up to 10 years in State Prison and has a minimum mandatory three and a half years, with no chance of parole, and there is no exception. If you get convicted of unlawful possession of a handgun, the judge’s hands are tied. You get hit with this draconian, extreme, insane penalty regardless of the circumstances surrounding your unlawful possession.

Evan Nappen 10:31

Teddy Nappen 12:09 I would add.

Evan Nappen 12:10 Go ahead, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 12:11

Evan Nappen 12:35 You’re right.

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Teddy Nappen 19:14 Jurassic World.

Evan Nappen 19:16

Teddy Nappen 19:24 Chris Pratt.

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Teddy Nappen 25:10

Evan Nappen 25:42 Ah, a great site.

Teddy Nappen 25:43

Evan Nappen 25:56 Well, it’s a game changer.

Teddy Nappen 25:58

Evan Nappen 26:14 Oh, I can’t wait.

Teddy Nappen 26:15

Evan Nappen 26:24

Teddy Nappen 26:27 Anyone.

Evan Nappen 26:27

Evan Nappen 26:34 I know. I know.

Teddy Nappen 26:35

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Evan Nappen 26:48

Teddy Nappen 26:48 Correct.

Teddy Nappen 26:52

Evan Nappen 26:57 Right. Exactly.

Teddy Nappen 26:58

Evan Nappen 27:00 Exactly.

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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Glock switches, Second Amendment, machine gun, V series, full auto, semi auto, NFA, AI technology,

Wi Fi surveillance, gun control, carry permits, New Jersey, gun law, self defense, legalization.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2

Evan Nappen 00:16

I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:18

And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:20

And welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, you may have been seeing in the news all the hyper activity about

Glock switches. And, you know, for those of you who aren’t familiar with a Glock switch, it’s a device

that can be easily 3D printed that can be put on the back of a Glock slide. This allows you, by flicking a

switch, to make the semi-automatic Glock pistol into a fully-automatic Glock pistol. Now, just the switch

itself, if you possess just the switch, is considered a machine gun, and you can face 10 years in federal

prison and all of that fun. And not to mention the state law charges as well. But you see, the Second

Amendment oppression gang has taken this issue of Glock switches, you know, things produced by

essentially criminals who are printing these up, procuring them, and the actual criminals getting caught

with Glocks having these Glock switches, and they’ve decided, hey, we can blame Glock for illegal

conversions of their gun.

Evan Nappen 01:54

So, this is their new gambit to go after, essentially, the modern polymer handguns of multiple types,

even by going at their ability to be converted by use of a totally prohibited and illegal device that is used

by criminals and created by criminals and criminally possessed and criminally sold. But somehow that

is Glocks fault, you see. So, this is the twisted world that we live in. And Glock recently, as some of you

may know, discontinued their models to come out with the new V Series. And the new V Series

eliminates the slide the way it was constructed, so that the Glock switch can function in the back of that

slide. Okay? They changed their design, in effect, to either try to subvert the litigation from the Second

Amendment oppression folks, or to try to address this issue in a mechanical way. Whatever some

people think they’re, they’re rolling over, but it’s probably more along the line of a corporate decision

making based on what they’re facing. Whatever the basis or reason is, I don’t know. But the bottom line

is, they’ve changed their models. They have the V system coming out, which cannot use these

traditional Glock switches, and lo and behold, the V’s have just hit the market. They’re out there. And

guess what is now out there for the V Series? That’s right, a new Glock switch. A new Glock switch that

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you have criminals wanting to do so. And this is just going to be an endless game of what? Re-

modification to a new type of switch to another new type? I mean, it just gets to the point of silliness.

Teddy Nappen 04:14

It’s very funny, too, because the meme going around is life finds a way.

Evan Nappen 04:21

Yeah, life finds a way.

Teddy Nappen 04:23

Life finds a way.

Evan Nappen 04:24

Well, here’s, but I have the solution to the entire Glock switch issue, to the whole issue of, you know,

modifying firearms into full auto and all of that. It’s real simple. We need to just legalize full auto. I

mean, it’s really simple. Then it wouldn’t be an issue. Then if you want to have a Glock that has a Glock

switch, if you want to have a Glock 18 that’s factory switchable, fine. If you want to have one. You see,

here’s the problem. You see, it has been constructed as an argument by the oppressionists going all

the way back to the 1934 Machine Gun Act, the NFA, somehow distinguishing semi- automatic from

fully-automatic. And we even see the pro 2A folks, you know, try to make that distinction. Say, look, you

know, my semi-auto isn’t a machine gun. It’s semi-automatic. And the antis say, well, you know, it’s

easily converted or whatever. Or semis can be just as bad. So, we need to ban semi-automatics.

Evan Nappen 05:39

And then you fall into that trap. It’s a trap because, folks, let’s be honest. What’s the difference between

fully-automatic and semi-automatic? It’s real simple. With semi-automatic, you pull the trigger for each

shot. With fully-automatic, you hold the trigger and the shots all fire. Okay, big effing deal. You’re still

shooting the same bullets. You’re still firing the same gun, and you’re still blasting them out. The only

difference is you don’t have to pull the trigger for each shot. Oh, my God. Okay? It’s really a phony

baloney difference. We shouldn’t tolerate the difference, and machine guns shouldn’t be prohibited. It’s

that simple. It is a crap distinction. Who cares if the rounds come out because you have to pull the

trigger for each shot or hold the trigger for all the shots. Does it really matter? Come on. So, this whole

development of this distinction is now being utilized by the anti-gunners to try to ban handguns, folks.

To ban semi-auto handguns because of the artificial nature of that distinction.

Evan Nappen 07:10

And we, as Pro-Second Amendment rights folks, need to break out of this and just say, legalize full

auto, legalize semi, legalize pump, lever, whatever. There’s no distinguishment upon actions of a

firearm. None. If it shoots, it’s a gun. We have a right to have it. Who cares how much lead it spews by

whether you pull the trigger or hold the trigger. It’s just stupid. I don’t want to play on their playing field. I

don’t want to accept this artificial distinction that we never should have accepted to begin with. And by

the way, the original NFA, the original law from ’34 was a ban on both semi- automatic and fully-

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and full auto became the prohibited version. But that distinction was stupid then, and it’s stupid now.

Evan Nappen 08:26

Maybe it was a way to somehow pass gun control national where, even at the time, the NRA said,

we’ve solved the gun control problem for the country by having this wonderful National Firearm Act

there. Look, the NRA was naive. And I’m not bashing NRA, okay? Not doing that. I’m just saying back

then, maybe they thought it was the way to play it. But look, we’ve learned since then, okay? It’s not.

And we’ve got to not accept it. We need the NFA gone. We should have the right to machine guns,

suppressors, you name it, any other weapon. That federal law needs to go, and we need to quit the

phony baloney nonsense of trying to distinguish between semi-auto and full-auto.

Teddy Nappen 09:14

I will say, just kind of, I always look to the segment as to look at history. Right after World War Two, you

had every soldier coming home and what was the thing they were holding? Grease guns, Thompson’s.

All of them were coming home saying, like, hell yeah, that machine gun was fantastic.

Evan Nappen 09:34

It saved my ass. Saved my ass. That’s right.

Teddy Nappen 09:37

They had a chance.

Evan Nappen 09:37

They had the opportunity. They could have.

Teddy Nappen 09:41

All these people could have said.

Evan Nappen 09:42

Right!

Teddy Nappen 09:42

Hell, yeah, I want my machine gun. I say, it saved my ass.

Evan Nappen 09:46

Why not?

Teddy Nappen 09:47

True. It saved my troops. What happened?

Evan Nappen 09:50

Right!

Page – 3 – of 12Teddy Nappen 09:50

And they blew it. And now,

Evan Nappen 09:52

Well, they were naive. They didn’t realize that opportunity, and it passed. Well, we have a new

opportunity. Now is a new opportunity, especially as we’re attacking NFA with the big, beautiful lawsuit

at least. Going at now that the taxes have been removed from everything except on machine guns. But

if we can win getting rid of the NFA by simply having the tax removed, then the next reconciliation bill,

we can remove the tax on machine guns, and machine guns will be legal, too. So, we have a pathway

here to actually achieving this, and we’ll have to see.

Evan Nappen 10:32

But you know, Teddy, I saw this article that’s very disturbing, because it has some serious, serious

ramifications for technology and guns. This is from Zero Hedge. And the article is entitled,

“Pennsylvania School District Using AI-Enabled Wi-Fi To Search Students For Firearms.” This article is

from November 18, 2025, by Tyler Durden. (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/pennsylvania-

school-district-using-ai-enabled-wi-fi-search-students-firearms) And what he says in this article is very

scary, okay? Very scary. Not just because of what’s going on with schools, but the actual ramifications

of this. Listen to this. Pennsylvania school district is using artificial intelligence to keep guns off the

campus, and the way they’re doing it, this new technology combines AI and Wi-Fi. And the way it works

is spooky, because AI harnesses the district’s Wi-Fi signal to determine whether people are carrying

weapons as they enter schools. Get a load of that, folks. Did you know that Wi-Fi signals can be

harnessed to determine whether somebody is carrying a weapon or not? They have this technology,

folks, and this school is using it.

Evan Nappen 12:06

The technology was developed by CurvePoint of Pittsburgh, and it grew out of AI research from

Carnegie Mellon University. And according to the company, Wi-AI uses spatial intelligence to find

weapons, such as guns, before they enter a school. The AI system analyzes space and detects where

potential weapons are located by interpreting how Wi- Fi signals reflect off people and objects. Let that

sink in. Do you think they’re going to keep that technology just on schools? And look, it’s a question

whether they should even have it in schools. There’s Fourth Amendment and all kinds of privacy

issues. I get it, but think of this technology now, everywhere, everywhere.

Teddy Nappen 13:05

You know what they just did. They stole a plot from Dark Knight, where you.

Evan Nappen 13:10

Really?

Teddy Nappen 13:10

Use sonar, because when Batman.

Page – 4 – of 12Evan Nappen 13:13

Oh, you’re right. You’re absolutely right.

Teddy Nappen 13:15

It maps the entire city and Lucius, you know, Morgan Freeman, the character he’s like.

Evan Nappen 13:20

Yeah!

Teddy Nappen 13:21

This is wrong. Did they see that movie and like, hell yeah, that’s a great idea.

Evan Nappen 13:27

Ha, ha, ha! I think that’s what they did. I think that’s what they did. You’re absolutely right. Yeah, this is,

this is the Dark Knight apocalyptic scenario here, and we’re dealing now with really a brand new world

of Fourth Amendment concerns. And this is very spooky. In the article here, they quote from a Seattle-

based lawyer named Evan Oshan, he happens to have the same name as me. No relation. It says

technology could devolve into allowing warrantless searches of every person who enters a campus with

no evidence or reasonable suspicion. Then he goes on, and if not checked, technology could be

implemented in all public spaces, creating an even larger surveillance state. Let’s consider that, oh boy.

Evan Nappen 14:28

And he says this technology creates a slippery slope. Today, it’s Wi-Fi signals searching for weapons in

schools. Tomorrow, it’s public transportation, shopping malls, government buildings. Where does it

end? The Constitution provides the guardrails, and we ignore them at our peril. He’s not kidding, folks.

You can see this being abused by states like New Jersey to the nth degree. And even if you’re a legal

licensed carrier, are you now going to be subject to just random stop and search? Stop and frisk? Stop

over that because of Wi-AI? And I thought of something else here that isn’t even mentioned in the

article. If this technology is accessible in this way to just this institution, well, criminals that want to rob a

place can probably hack into Wi-Fi in a given area, and using this technology, determine if anybody is

armed or not before they hit it. It seems to have an amazing potential to set up for crime. It can be used

by criminals. This is scary stuff. It intrudes on our rights. We need to pay attention. They need to start

putting some laws in place to protect us from Wi-Fi AI.

Teddy Nappen 16:06

I will say for the one bit as a counter. The same mad lab that put the Glock switch on the V, someone is

immediately going to start working on guns that don’t get detected. I promise you that. They will.

Evan Nappen 16:19

Well, we can hope for that.

Teddy Nappen 16:21

Yeah, let’s hope for that.

Page – 5 – of 12Evan Nappen 16:22

Yeah. Let’s hope we can have Wi-Fi deflection, Wi-Fi stealth technology, you know. Yeah, yeah, good.

Well, there’s always hope that technology will save us in protecting our rights. That’s true. By the way, I

want to also make a quick point here about a cool article I found in News2A, which is Second

Amendment news. You can check them out at www. news2a.com. They had an article here that says,

“As Carry Permits Surge, New Jersey Begs Court to Deny Sensitive Places Carry Ban Rehearing.”

(https://www.news2a.com/new-jersey/as-carry-permits-surge-new-jersey-begs-court-to-deny-sensitive-

places-carry-ban-rehearing/) So, we’re in the fight, as you know, over the Carry Killer bill, and we’re

trying to get an en banc hearing with a full panel as we’re continuing our fight through the appeals

court, probably eventually heading to the Supreme Court. One of the things I want to point out from the

article, you want to read the article about that whole debate, whole debate over that, about the lawsuit

and its progress go right ahead.

Evan Nappen 17:28

But one tidbit here that I picked up in the article that I just want to share, that I really love. You know,

prior to the Bruen decision in New Jersey, we had approximately 600 civilian carry permits issued,

probably less than 600 for the whole state. The current number of carry permits in New Jersey,

according to this article, which was November 17 of 2025, New Jersey carry permits, now are, issued

carries now, are at 86,656 carries. And that’s according to the state’s own data. Imagine that folks

almost 90,000 and growing. That is how many people wanted to carry. Wanted to be defenders instead

of victims, and were stopped by New Jersey from being able to defend themselves. We’re almost at

90,000. Think of all the people that New Jersey prevented from defending themselves, and how much

blood is on Jersey’s hands of victims who maybe could have saved their lives or saved their loved ones

lives, if they had been allowed to defend themselves. That New Jersey prevented. And now, with a

growth like that, of almost 90,000 and more, the more carry permits out there, the better, because that’s

how we get the Constitutional carry. That is how we get there, and that pattern has been demonstrated

historically over and over again. So, keep getting your permits. More and more permits, more and more

people carrying makes us safer, and it is very encouraging to see that as we continue our fight against

the Second Amendment oppression, folks.

Evan Nappen 19:26

Hey, let me tell you about some very, very big news about our good friends at WeShoot. Listen to this

really exciting news from WeShoot. On December 7, at 10:00 am, WeShoot will be hosting this guy,

whose name is Evan Nappen, and joining Evan Nappen will be Teddy Nappen. We will be there at

WeShoot on Sunday, December 7, right there. We’ll be at Out to Lunch, 264 Cedar Bridge Avenue in

Lakewood. Show up for the event. It’s a great event, and I’ll be there answering all types of questions

about New Jersey gun law. I’d love to meet you and see you. This is also in conjunction with U.S. Law

Shield, and it’s at the Out to Lunch event room. That’s the facility where they’re holding it. At the Out to

Lunch event room at 264 Cedar Bridge Avenue in Lakewood. This is in conjunction with WeShoot and

U.S. Law Shield. So, come there and say hello. I love to always meet my great listeners, and I’ll

probably have some books there as well that I can sign for you. So, stop by, stop by, say hello. It’s

going to be good.

Page – 6 – of 12Evan Nappen 21:00

Also, by the way, WeShoot has some great sales. Their so-called Double-Dipping Sale is back, and

what it allows you to do is get some fantastic discounts. And check out WeShoot. And joining WeShoot.

That membership gets you some great advantages, and they’re offering this week just as some

samples of pretty cool stuff. Bul Armory TAC PRO 4.25″ silver. Now that is a competition tuned stunner

with a crisp two and a half pound trigger, a 20 plus one capacity. But, of course, in New Jersey, you’re

only allowed the 10. With a sleek silver finish that performs as good as it looks. They also have a

Samurai Katana. Now this is not a sword, but named after the sword. It is a uniquely styled, battle

inspired blaster with aggressive lines, custom touches and a serious presence on the range. And don’t

forget, they also have a Smith & Wesson Volunteer XV, which is chambered in 5.56 and ready for

action. It’s a modern sporting rifle with reliability, accuracy and American pride. So, go to WeShoot and

check out all the great guns and gear. You can also get your training. It’s a fantastic range. It’s where

Teddy and I shoot. I’m looking forward to doing this event and seeing all you down there. Go to

weshootusa.com for more information.

Evan Nappen 22:45

And let me also mention our friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, which, by the

way, are involved directly in that lawsuit challenging the Carry Killer bill. The very one where the state is

trying to fight us at every turn, including trying to get a full hearing from the appellate court. You want to

be part of that group. You want to be part of the fight. You need to be. The Association of New Jersey

Rifle & Pistol Clubs is your NRA state affiliate. It’s the umbrella organization of gun clubs, and they also

have individual members. And by joining, you become part of the solution. So, go to ANJRPC.org for

more information and being able to join that great group. You’ll be glad you did. You’ll get email alerts of

all the shenanigans taking place in Trenton. And there’s some big stuff that they’re trying to give us a

BOHICA on. You need to be part of the Association, and we can fight it. Really bad stuff is coming

down the pike. Make sure you join anjrpc.org.

Evan Nappen 24:02

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is the book that everybody uses that wants to know about New Jersey gun law, and you can have your

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and order your copy today. It makes a great gift. And when you get the book, scan the front cover, and

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the 2025 Comprehensive Update, where I did chapter updates, bringing everything current. The book

stays current. You can also grab the special standout chapter on “sensitive places”, so you’ll know

where to carry and where you can’t. Great stuff. EvanNappen.com. Check it out. So, Teddy, what do

you have for us today in Press Checks?

Teddy Nappen 25:04

Well, as you know, Press Checks are always free, and one of those, you know, it’s like Thanksgivings

rolling around the corner. We’re looking at, you know, what’s coming up. So, perusing through

everyone’s favorite anti-gun group, known as Every Town, they decided to put out hey, you know

what’s really good at Thanksgiving to talk about? Politics!

Page – 7 – of 12Evan Nappen 25:33

Yeah, right.

Teddy Nappen 25:34

Their recommendation, to be with your friends and family, talk about politics. Typically, Thanksgiving is

the perfect time to, quote, unquote, “Debunking Gun Myths at the Dinner Table”.

(https://www.everytown.org/debunking-gun-myths-at-the-dinner-table/)

Evan Nappen 25:51

Oh, my God, they are. They’re the bunch of turkeys.

Teddy Nappen 25:55

Oh yeah, yeah, real gobblers. But.

Evan Nappen 26:01

Good one, man. They are gobblers.

Teddy Nappen 26:03

Yeah.

Evan Nappen 26:04

They’re definitely the world class gobblers.

Teddy Nappen 26:08

Yeah. But I just love how they structure this article. I mean, it’s just. Everyone at home. Please just go

and look at it, and you can laugh, because this is what they did. They highlighted one line of some

argument that is made, or their quote “myth”, and then they argue their “fact” to make the argument.

So, I decided, you know what? If anyone, anyone here who’s at a dinner table and decides to bring up

one of their counters to the gun myth, here is my counter to you. So, let’s go through some of them, and

let’s see some of their facts.

Evan Nappen 26:49

What is, let’s hear their B.S. Go ahead, lay it on us.

Teddy Nappen 26:51

Oh, yeah, yeah. So, one myth, criminals will always find a way to get their hands on a gun. Fact – their

fact. Laws like background checks stop gun sales to criminals every day. Since 1994 these laws have

blocked more than 5 million gun sales to people who could not legally buy a gun.

Evan Nappen 27:16

Hey, that’s why criminals don’t have guns anymore. It was such a success that criminals just can’t get

guns. It’s amazing how effective it’s been.

Page – 8 – of 12Teddy Nappen 27:28

Now let me just highlight to you that the, this is from Every Town, by the way, because I love, I love

using their own sources against them.

Evan Nappen 27:37

Yeah!

Teddy Nappen 27:37

They ranked the states with the most amount of gun control. Top nine: California, Massachusetts,

Illinois, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Hawaii, Maryland and Washington. Please let that sink in

and tell me that gun control works in these absolute shit pile of states.

Evan Nappen 28:00

Right! That are the worst. The worst oppression of the Second Amendment in all those places, and they

have the records for the crime. It’s exactly the opposite of what they claim. But why should they tell the

truth? They just have an agenda of wanting to disarm us and make us all victims and take away our

guns.

Teddy Nappen 28:24

Yep. And I love this one. They love this myth. “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.”

Evan Nappen 28:32

Oh, that’s a myth. That’s a myth. I just saw a gun running down the street yesterday. You know,

shooting people. It’s amazing. Yeah. Just guns kill people.

Teddy Nappen 28:41

Yeah. Fact: people kill people, and more efficiently than people without guns. The U.S. gun death rate

is 13 times higher than other higher income countries. Okay, first of all. Logical fallacy alert everybody.

Logical fallacy alert. Mott and Bailey. You’re equating death rates of gun death rates of other countries.

So, first off, pencils give bad grades, apparently. And here in this argument.

Evan Nappen 29:19

And spoons are why The View is fat? Yes, the ladies of The View are fat because of spoons.

Teddy Nappen 29:24

Yeah, the cackling hens, of course. But here’s another statistic, a number, that they like to ignore. This

is from the CDC, 2.5 million lives are saved per year from defensive uses of a firearm.

Evan Nappen 29:40

What does that conveniently ignore, Teddy? I’m sure you know.

Teddy Nappen 29:44

Yeah, just you know, the lives that are saved versus the lives taken.

Page – 9 – of 12Evan Nappen 29:48

Oh, lives saved. Yes, and how many lives are saved with guns?

Teddy Nappen 29:54

Yeah, 2.5 million lives are saved per year with defensive use of a firearm. That is from the CDC

website.

Evan Nappen 30:02

Right! Guns save lives.

Teddy Nappen 30:05

So, we could round it off to 3 million. So, let’s just be fair, 3 million lives, give or take. It’s utter, like they

always say, if it could save one life. Well, I’ve got 3 million.

Evan Nappen 30:16

There you go. There you go.

Teddy Nappen 30:18

It’s just uttered, disgusting.

Evan Nappen 30:21

But that’s why we do the oppo research, and this is what we’re fighting — the propaganda of the gun

rights oppression movement. And we’ve got to keep up the fight. And I tell you what, at Thanksgiving, if

you want to talk guns, that’s fine. Talk guns, talk pro-gun. And if you have somebody that is challenging

you on it, make sure you know the facts and counter them back. This is, you know, most of the time you

just want to enjoy holidays with your family. But unfortunately, every family has some that are

misguided. That don’t understand the importance of our rights and don’t understand the war that is

taking place upon our Constitution. So, if you’re going to talk politics, talk freedom, talk rights, and

defend it vigorously.

Teddy Nappen 31:24

And I will say this one, this one absolutely angers me. I always see them try, and I love this. The only

way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. That’s their “myth”, and if more guns

everywhere made safe, America would be the safest country on Earth. Instead, we have the gun

homicide rate 26 time higher than higher income countries. What are higher income countries?

Whatever. So, it’s something that is very, first of all, reverse Nirvana fallacy. Logical fallacy alert. If we

got rid of all the guns, there would be no death, no murder. All right. The number, except the number

one killer, the number one killer of children is accidents. And, quite frankly, the number one killer of

mass shooters. You know what kills them? Guns!

Evan Nappen 32:21

Right. That’s what stops them.

Page – 10 – of 12Teddy Nappen 32:23

Yeah, even if they shoot.

Evan Nappen 32:25

The reason a good guy with a gun is far from being a myth and is a fact. Is that any logical, reasonable

person can individually appreciate that very fact. Because I’ll tell you right now, I’d rather have a gun

and not need it than need a gun and not have it. And that need a gun aspect is what we’re talking

about. Because when there’s a bad guy with a gun, you need a gun to stop that bad guy. I don’t care

about statistics. I really don’t. I care about me being able to defend myself and my loved ones, and if

somebody else is threatening me, it is a firearm that I need to have the most effective means of self-

defense. So, when you distill it down to our own personal interests, which is what rights are all about,

it’s about our individual rights, my individual right, your individual right to defend ourselves and not be

victims of criminals. And I’ll tell you right now. A good guy with a gun beats a bad guy with a gun every

time, and what’s no good at all is a bad guy with a gun and a good guy who has no means of self-

defense. You want to really be in a lousy spot. That’s the lousy spot to be in. The bad guy with a gun

and you have no means of defense, so you don’t even have to step into statistics. Don’t even need it.

Teddy Nappen 33:56

Yeah, and that lousy spot, look at Britain, where the massive raping gangs all across. It took a little girl

to defend herself with a hatchet and a knife. You look to Australia, with all the rampant crime of assault,

theft, rape going all these quote, unquote, high income countries, you know what we have that’s

different. We’re allowed to actually defend ourselves and not be prosecuted where you have no right to

defend yourself.

Evan Nappen 34:23

Because part of the Second Amendment is also a Constitutional right to self-defense. And you know,

sometimes you hear the antis even point to Japan. They say, look, the raid in Japan where they banned

guns is so much less than the U.S. Well, Japan, first of all, is a very homogeneous population, right, of

Japanese. But here’s the real kicker that they don’t tell you. The percentage of violent crime amongst

Japanese-Americans who have access to firearms is even less than that of the Japanese country,

Japanese. So, you know, Japanese-Americans, it’s even lower. They have access to guns. So, it’s not

really about the guns. It’s about the culture. And if you step back and say, hey, where are these really

bad states, where is the really bad crime problems? And then you see it’s urban more than anything,

and it’s urban culture more than anything. But once you start talking about having to change culture, oh,

the Left doesn’t want to hear about that. It doesn’t want to hear. They’d rather blame the inanimate

object and go after our ability to defend ourselves.

Teddy Nappen 35:40

I also like how they always try to compare Japan. I’m like, Oh, really. And how do you feel about their

immigration policies? Because I agree with those.

Evan Nappen 35:50

That’s a whole other thing.

Page – 11 – of 12Teddy Nappen 35:52

They always like to pick and choose those things, don’t they?

Evan Nappen 35:55

Yeah, that’s pretty funny. They sure do. Well, Teddy, I want to tell you about this week’s GOGU, which

is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And we always love talking about the GOFU because these are expensive

lessons learned by actual individuals with actual cases. We don’t want any of our listeners to be

GOFUs and that’s why we talk about them. So, this is your chance to learn for free, expensive lessons.

The GOFU this week is about trying to get gun information from the internet. Listen, folks, gun law

information. Gun law information. You have to be extremely careful with AI and Google and all this. I

get clients that have looked at the Internet for their information, and it couldn’t be further from the actual

law. It is very dangerous to rely on anything you get out of the internet. It is full of falsehoods, full of

blatant fantasies, full of misinformation that gets put forward as actual law. And I have clients that have

unfortunately gotten themselves into trouble because they followed what they just read from doing a

simple search online. And that’s not going to get you the answers you need. When you need to know a

gun law answer, you need to go to a gun law attorney. An attorney that knows and understands the gun

laws. Go to my book, go to actual, proven authoritative sources. When you rely on the internet, you are

at risk. And it never ceases to amaze me as to the absolute B.S. that gets put out there. And what’s

really is sad is when a gun owner relies on it to their detriment. Don’t be that GOFU, folks.

Evan Nappen 38:09

This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from

criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 2 38:20

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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

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