Sarah Chaffee interviews German paleontologist Günter Bechly on the book Theistic Evolution: A Scientific, Philosophical, and Theological Critique, specifically his chapter with Stephen Meyer on The Fossil Record and Universal Common Ancestry. Bechly, who had been a prominent proponent of Darwinism, discovered late in his career that there are significant scientific reasons to doubt the evolutionary story. His chapter in the book describes some of these reasons. A big one: the abrupt appearance of major body plans in the fossil record, and not just in the often-discussed Cambrian Explosion. In fact, as Bechly puts it, “Abrupt appearances are the rule." In this episode he discusses one of these abrupt appearances in particular.