Despite claims that we now live in a post-racial society, race continues to disadvantage those from Black and minority ethnic backgrounds.

In this episode, Richard Kemp speaks with Kalwant Bhopal, author of the second edition of ‘White Privilege: The myth of a post-racial society’, about why those from black and minority ethnic communities continue to be marginalised.

They discuss the backlash against the #BlackLivesMatter movement, the way conversations about race always get sidelined for other elements of the EDI umbrella, and why we must continue to have hope.

Kalwant Bhopal is Professor of Education and Social Justice and Director of the Centre for Research on Race and Education at the University of Birmingham.

Find out more about the book at: https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/trade/white-privilege-1

The transcript is available here: https://www.transformingsociety.co.uk/2025/07/22/podcast-has-racism-really-changed-from-black-lives-matter-to-edi-backlash-and-beyond/

Timestamps:

01:31 - Could you explain the hope that was sparked in 2020 and how it was lost?

08:13 - Is this diluting of the narrative conscious?

13:59 - What are the unearned assets that white privilege provides?

18:25 - What is the relationship between Prevent and racism in schools?

21:34 - Has EDI become a hollow buzzword, and how does it perpetuate white privilege?

26:31 - How did Donald Trump use his whiteness to achieve re-election?

31:59 - Why was the experience of COVID-19 so different for black and minority ethnic groups?

38:56 - What can we do to work towards genuine, positive change?

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