He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™ Podcast

What do you do when you’re hired as a company’s very first CMO, and the entire business has been fed by Google Ads and inbound calls? For Lindsey Thiele, the answer was to become a pay-per-click expert almost overnight, then start building the one thing the company never needed before: an outbound strategy.

In this episode of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™, Jaci and Michael sit down with Lindsey, the first-ever Chief Marketing Officer at ZTERS, a nationwide site services management company based in Houston. Lindsey has spent nearly 17 years in B2B marketing, most of it in oil and gas, with a detour through Waste Management along the way. She walked into ZTERS with a disjointed tech stack, years of untapped data, and a budget that had nowhere to go but down.

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What does it take to convince a room full of salespeople who love their paper brochures that marketing can actually drive revenue? For Jon Star, Director of Marketing at Methods Machine Tools, it took hard-won proof points, a five-year plan, and a willingness to speak the sales team’s language: dollars and cents.

In this episode of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™, Jaci and Michael sit down with Jon Star of Methods Machine Tools, a family-owned importer of premium CNC machinery from Japan, celebrating nearly 70 years in business. Jon walks us through what it took to build a digital marketing engine almost from scratch, how Methods approaches trade shows as a year-long strategic investment rather than a single event, and why earned media and authentic relationships still outperform paid placements in a tight-knit, trust-driven industry.

They also dig into the unique brand architecture challenge of representing global manufacturing partners like Fanuc and Nakamura-Tome under the Methods name, how Jon turns marketing spend into revenue-impact conversations the C-suite actually cares about, and why leaving room for experimentation matters even inside a disciplined, metrics-driven marketing function.

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In February, her role was eliminated. By March, she’d filed her LLC. By the end of May, she’d landed her first client. That’s the timeline Michelle Krier walks us through in this episode – and it’s a masterclass in what it actually looks like to bet on yourself when the decision gets made for you.

In this episode of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™, Jaci and Michael sit down with Michelle Krier, founder and fractional CMO of Foxbridge Consulting. With a career spanning nonprofit, agency, and in-house marketing roles – including IT companies, architecture and engineering firms, and nearly 20 years in workforce solutions – Michelle had every reason to stay in her lane when she went out on her own. Instead, she built a client base almost entirely outside the industry she knew best, because that’s where the market was actually heading.

They get into what it takes to go from job seeker to business owner overnight, how to build a business development habit instead of a panic cycle, why sitting in agency, in-house, and fractional seats all builds empathy you can’t get any other way, and how AI is reshaping marketing without replacing the strategic judgment that still has to come from a person.

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Most banks say they’re community-focused. Altabank had to prove it by tearing down the names people trusted most.

In this episode of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™, Jaci and Michael sit down with Stan Sorensen, Chief Marketing Officer at Altabank, a Utah-based community bank with over a century of history and a footprint that spans the entire state. Stan came to banking from tech and healthcare, joined the bank to lead a rebrand, and — eight years later — hasn’t left.

He gets into what it actually took to consolidate five operating names into one, why the hardest part wasn’t the rebrand itself but managing the emotional fallout in the communities that felt the loss, and how his lean team of five runs national-caliber marketing by knowing exactly where their lane starts and stops. Stan also breaks down how a fresh set of outside eyes unlocked a campaign idea they’d been sitting on for three years — and why that’s the real argument for never letting your agency get too comfortable.

If you’re a B2B marketer navigating a rebrand, fighting for budget with a board that wants data, or trying to prove that community involvement is a brand strategy, not a PR stunt, this one’s for you.

The average tenure for an in-house marketer is 18 months. That means nearly everyone in this profession will face a job search — probably more than once. The question is whether you’ll be ready when it comes.

In this episode of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™, Jaci and Michael sit down with Elda Macias, a senior marketing leader with over 20 years in financial services. Elda has built marketing organizations from scratch, modernized legacy brands, and helped drive an acquisition at 166% of tangible book value — and now she’s sharing what the job search actually looks like at the senior level in today’s market.

The conversation covers why submitting a resume online is table stakes and nothing more, how to build a referral pipeline that gets your resume in front of a human, why a one-page highlight sheet beats a five-page CV, and what to do with your time — and your network — while you wait for the right opportunity.

If you’re a senior marketer in transition, about to be, or mentoring someone who is — this one’s for you.

Kicking Off Year 10

In IT services, everyone says the same thing. We’ll handle your tech. We’ll keep you safe. We’ll be there when you need us. So how do you build a brand that actually means something when your product is invisible and your buyer never wants to think about you?

We’re kicking off Year 10 of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™ with exactly that question. Ten years in, we’re still asking the same core thing this podcast has always been built on – what makes a brand actually work – and Loree Faucett gives us one of the sharpest answers we’ve heard in a while.

In this episode, Jaci and Michael sit down with Loree, VP of Marketing at ITS (Intelligent Technical Solutions), a national managed IT and cybersecurity services provider. Loree came up through Apple and HubSpot, has marketed everything from interior design to oil and gas software to winches, and now leads a 13-person global team navigating one of the most crowded, undifferentiated industries in B2B.

They get into what it looks like to walk into a company as a regime change – replacing a founder-led marketing function without breaking what’s already working. Loree talks about building regional presence for a national brand, why trust and referrals are beating digital campaigns right now, and how LLM-driven search is changing the way qualified buyers show up – and why you can’t always see them coming.

If you’re a B2B marketer trying to differentiate a service nobody wants to think about, make the case for human-led creative in an AI-first world, or lead through organizational change without losing your team – this one’s for you. And if you’ve been with us since year one, thank you for ten years of conversations – here’s to the next one.

In this episode of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™, Jaci and Michael sit down with Erik Koenig, Vice President of Business Development at Hy-Tek Intralogistics — a warehouse automation and systems integration firm helping companies connect products to customers faster through robotics, conveyors, software, and engineering-driven design. Erik came up in B2C agencies working with Colgate-Palmolive, Butterball, and Walmart before making the jump to the client side, and he has spent the last decade proving that the fundamentals of brand strategy translate everywhere.

They get into how Erik builds a lean internal team that operates like an agency, how a 50×50 multi-story trade show booth lives or dies by its content schedule, why AI is both the biggest threat and the best intelligence tool in his toolkit, and how he’s fighting to keep the human voice at the center of everything before answer engines rewrite the rules.

If you’re a B2B marketer trying to build a real brand inside a complex, engineering-driven company without losing what makes you different — this one’s for you.

Most mortgage companies compete on rate. Chelsea Vonder Haar competes on relationship.

In this episode of He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™, Jaci and Michael talk with Chelsea Vonder Haar, the first-ever Chief Marketing Officer at USA Mortgage, about building a national marketing engine for 200+ loan officers — without stadium naming rights or a massive ad budget.

Chelsea breaks down how her team uses direct mail, video, and local partnerships to make individual loan officers more valuable to their referral partners, not to promote the corporate brand. She covers EDDM, QR tracking, first-time homebuyer seminars, and why she treats her internal loan officers like clients — plus her path from marketing coordinator to CMO in an industry that too often treats marketing as a cost to cut.

If you’re a B2B marketer building a referral engine in a commodity-driven industry, this one’s for you.

In this episode, Jaci and Michael sit down with Joya Scarlata, Director of Marketing at InterraIT, a B2B IT services firm serving clients across industries from automotive to retail to manufacturing. With over a decade of marketing experience, Joya knows firsthand how difficult it is to differentiate a service-based business in a crowded, fast-moving industry.

The conversation covers what it really takes to build a recognizable B2B brand when your product is invisible – a service that’s hard to explain and even harder to make exciting. From navigating the “sea of sameness” in the IT space, to aligning marketing and sales, to knowing when your messaging has stopped working, Joya shares honest, practical insight from the trenches.

If you’re a B2B marketer struggling to cut through the noise, make the case for branding internally, or get your messaging to actually resonate – this one’s for you.

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In this episode of the He Said, She Said: Razor Branding™ Podcast, Jaci and Michael sit down with Jeff to walk through one of the most complete and compelling rebrand stories we’ve heard – from First Bank Financial Centre to Bank Five Nine. It’s a story of competitive audits, internal discovery, board presentations, and a brand launch that landed right in the middle of a global pandemic. Jeff shares how his team did it all in-house, why they chose red in a sea of blue and green, and how a three-word mission statement – make lives better – became the culture north star that unified an entire organization.

Whether you’re considering a rebrand, trying to justify one to your leadership team, or simply trying to understand why clarity and differentiation matter, Jeff’s story makes the case better than any textbook could.

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