In this podcast episode, Ken Segel, the CEO of Value Capture, engages in a conversation with Lou Shapiro on developing and deploying a strategy that breaks through and makes the kind of difference we need in healthcare right now, and it's very challenging circumstances, and trying to use this as a moment to change deeply for the better.

They will discuss lessons learned, but also, as we go forward to think about how to achieve that breakthrough as a sector and as individual institutions.