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"And this is bizarre to me, because when that happens, it's not the values that are firm, it's the identity. And so that means that you can be a Republican or a Democrat, you're lifelong. But because those groups, those labels, mean different things through time, that means that whether you like it or not, if you're aligning with that identity and your identity comes first, then your actuality, your values are changing. And so then I'm thinking, what is?"