A key generation of HLL players, referred to as Veterans, are leaving the game or simply getting exhausted. For such a serious topic we take the time to discuss this and it’s impacts with two pillars of the HLL community, Wild Bill Jammin and Heidegger. They provide their in-depth perspective on game mechanics, the Meta changes since Update 3 and how these changes removed choices and added rules. We address the recent changes in Update 9 and the last PTE to determine if it fixes, mitigates, or ignore critical issues to this player group. This is a long one so settle in.