For so long, we thought life came with a checklist.

Fall in love. Get married. Have a baby. Watch your children grow. Celebrate their milestones. Become grandparents. And somewhere along the way, it became easy to believe that if we showed up for everyone else’s big moments, one day they would show up for ours.

But what happens if it’s never our turn?

In this episode, we talk about one of the hardest and most rewarding shifts we’ve had to make: letting go of the invisible timelines we thought we had to follow and learning how to create a life in the middle.

A life that doesn’t wait for the next milestone to begin.

We talk about finding permission to celebrate the unconventional milestones, learning to be present with what we do have, and moving from a future-focused mindset to actually living our lives now.

But there’s another side to this shift too, the grief.

Coming to terms with the milestones we may never experience. Watching children grow up, celebrating their achievements, high school graduations, becoming grandparents… and grieving the moments we once assumed would be part of our story.

And then there’s the complicated reality of realizing that some people may not know how to show up for the milestones in your life because they don’t look like the milestones they’re used to celebrating.

Because what happens when the life you’re building doesn’t come with the traditional checklist?

Maybe the goal isn’t to stop grieving the life we thought we’d have. Maybe it’s learning to hold that grief alongside the life we’re creating. The life that is still here, still happening, and still worth celebrating.

Because this is what it means to live life in the And.

In this episode, we talk about what our “Plan B” looks like and how it isn’t a replacement for our Plan A—it’s simply widening the path to make space for whatever life brings our way.

We share the realities of navigating infertility, the many stages of grief, and the process of mourning the life we thought we would have. We talk about how infertility grief is unique, how we’ve learned to carry both hope and uncertainty, and the tools we’ve developed to help us through the hard moments.

From setting boundaries, learning that “no” is a complete sentence, protecting our emotional energy, and trusting ourselves through the unknown—we share the tools that help us navigate this journey one day at a time.

The Language, Triggers and Realities of Infertility

Infertility changes more than your plans. It changes the way you hear words, the way you move through conversations, and the way you navigate a world that often doesn’t see the weight you’re carrying.

In this episode, we talk about the words that can unintentionally hurt, the moments that bring unexpected grief, and the realities of living in the space between hope and heartbreak.

Because infertility isn’t just a medical journey. It’s an emotional one. A quiet one. A journey of learning how to hold two truths at once — the pain of what is, and the hope for what could be.

This is Here in the And.

The place where we make room for the in-between.

In our very first episode, we share the story behind Here In the And; and the 9-year infertility journey that led us here. We open up about the heartbreak, uncertainty, and the reality that sometimes the life you imagined may not unfold the way you hoped.

This podcast was Kait’s idea, born from the desire to create the kind of community we never had. A space for honest conversations, validation, and connection for anyone navigating infertility, grief, and the in-between seasons of life.

We talk about what it means to hold two truths at once: grieving the life we thought we would have, while still giving ourselves permission to enjoy the life we have now.

If you’ve ever felt alone in unmet expectations, shifting dreams, or learning to find joy alongside pain, this episode is for you.