CONTENT WARNING:
This episode discusses graphic violence, including the collar bomb explosion, video footage of Brian Wells’ death, and post-mortem handling of his body. Listener discretion is advised.

In this episode of Here’s Our Alibi, Stephanie and Ben dive into one of the most shocking and bizarre crimes in American true-crime history: the Pizza Bomber Heist, chronicled in Netflix’s documentary Evil Genius.

We break down the 2003 collar-bomb robbery involving Brian Wells, a quiet pizza delivery driver forced into a deadly scavenger-hunt-style plot that still sparks debate today. We explore the twisted dynamics between Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong and Bill Rothstein, the manipulative relationship at the center of the case, and the tangled circle of unstable individuals who helped orchestrate this chaotic crime.

We also discuss the disturbing police footage of the bomb detonation, the controversial handling of Brian Wells’ body, the conditions that made him vulnerable to manipulation, and Jessica Hoopsick’s emotional confession about unknowingly giving up Brian’s name as a “patsy.”

This case is back in the spotlight as Courteney Cox directs the upcoming theatrical adaptation of the Evil Genius story, starring David Harbour as Bill Rothstein. With renewed interest around the film’s production, we revisit the case to explore unanswered questions, psychological themes, and the messy, tragic reality behind the collar-bomb plot.

If you’re fascinated by true crime, psychological manipulation, or bizarre real-life cases, this is one you won’t forget.

Topics we cover:

• The collar bomb, the scavenger hunt clues & the final moments of Brian Wells

• The Marjorie + Rothstein power dynamic

• Hoarding, mental illness, narcissism & manipulation

• The freezer body of James Roden

• Jessica Hoopsick’s confession & Brian Wells’ vulnerability

• Why this group of unstable people was able to “function” together

• The upcoming Courteney Cox film adaptation & its impact on renewed public interest

Follow along as we unpack the case that started Stephanie & Ben’s true-crime obsession.

In this episode, we crack open one of the most haunting true-crime cases of the 90s — the Fox Hollow Farm murders and the alleged serial killer Herb Baumeister. After watching The Fox Hollow Murders documentary on Hulu, we dig into the case’s darkest corners: the thousands of bone fragments found on the property, the missing men from Indianapolis’ gay community, the devastating law-enforcement failures, and the societal stigma of the AIDS crisis that shaped how these victims were ignored.

We talk through the strange and unsettling parts of this story — from Baumeister’s mannequins and the skull his child found, to the unresolved and complicated role of survivor Mark Goodyear. We also highlight the heroes bringing real justice today: Hamilton County Coroner Jeff Jellison and investigator Steven Ainsworth, who are finally identifying remains using modern DNA and genealogy technology.

If you’ve watched the Fox Hollow Farm documentary, or you’re just now hearing about Baumeister, this episode breaks down the case, the bias, the missed opportunities, and why this story still matters.

Topics we cover:

• Overview of Herb Baumeister & Fox Hollow Farm

• Names of the identified victims

• Law-enforcement negligence & anti-gay bias in the 80s–90s

• Impact of the AIDS epidemic on missing-persons reporting

• The unsettling house, mannequins, and family dynamics

• The complex interviews with Mark Goodyear

• The renewed investigation led by Jeff Jellison & Steven Ainsworth

If you’ve seen the documentary, let us know your thoughts — especially about Goodyear and the new DNA efforts.

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Join us as we break down the new Netflix documentary Queen of Serial Killers and revisit the life of Aileen Wuornos through the lens of trauma, abuse, gender bias, and mental health. We discuss the sheriff’s controversial opening line, the mistrial potential in her first case, and how being a sex worker impacted how she was portrayed and treated. This episode digs into the uncomfortable truth of how systems fail people long before they become headlines.

Dennis Rader — the BTK Killer — lived a double life as a husband, father, and church leader while secretly committing ten brutal murders over two decades. In this episode of Here’s Our Alibi, Stephanie and Ben unpack the documentary BTK: Confessions of a Serial Killer, which follows forensic psychologist Dr. Katherine Ramsland’s years-long interviews with Rader behind bars.

They explore the psychology behind his crimes, how control and ego drove his every move, and the moral tightrope Ramsland walked in order to get him talking.

Along the way, they debate whether serial killers should ever be given a platform, how Rader’s manipulations mirror other notorious killers like Bundy and Kemper, and why his “moral code” was as delusional as it was disturbing.

Topics include:

• The forensic psychologist’s ethical dilemma

• BTK’s need for attention and validation

• The illusion of control in his family and community life

• Nature vs. nurture: was he born evil or made?

• What Mindhunter got wrong about Rader

• Why feeding a killer’s ego can continue the damage

🎙️ Here’s Our Alibi is a couple’s true crime podcast where Stephanie and Ben crack open documentaries, cases, and psychological themes with curiosity, candor, and a dash of dark humor.

For our first official case, we’re diving into "My Father, the BTK Killer" — the Netflix documentary that follows Kerri Rawson, daughter of Dennis Rader, one of America’s most infamous serial killers.

In this episode, we talk about what it means to grow up loving someone capable of unimaginable things, how Kerri has used her story for healing and advocacy, and why true-crime storytelling walks a fine line between curiosity and compassion.

🎧 Watch the doc on Netflix, then join us for the discussion.

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Meet Ben and Stephanie — a husband-and-wife duo who turned their true-crime documentary nights into a podcast. In Here’s Our Alibi, they explore what these stories reveal about people, psychology, and the strange ways we process darkness. Each week, they dissect one documentary with curiosity, empathy, and a little humor — all from their very comfy couch.