Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance speak with Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic magazine, in front of a live audience at the Texas Tribune Festival in Austin, Texas. Goldberg discusses his new book, On Heroism: McCain, Milley, Mattis, and the Cowardice of Donald Trump, which includes his reporting on Republican leaders and top White House officials who stood up to Trump while he was president, as well as Trump’s controversial statements reportedly calling members of the military “suckers” and “losers.”

In a conversation exclusively for members of CAFE Insider, Goldberg speaks about the media’s approach to covering Trump and the presidential election, and what a second Trump term might look like. To listen to the full interview and get access to all of the exclusive Insider content, become a member at CAFE.com/insider. You can now try the membership for just $1 for one month. CAFE Insiders click HERE to listen.

Stay Tuned in Brief is presented by CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Please write to us with your thoughts and questions at [email protected], or leave a voicemail at 669-247-7338. This episode was recorded live at the 2024 Texas Tribune Festival in downtown Austin. For recaps from this year's recently concluded event and to stay updated on next year's program, visit TribFest.org.

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