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Joël and Rick discuss Joël’s new book, “Hiking the Clouds: The Seven Waypoints of Mature Faith,” exploring the stages of spiritual growth. They challenge the idea of unwavering certainty in faith, emphasizing the importance of love and unconditional trust in God, even amidst uncertainty and doubt. The conversation delves into the Dunning-Kruger effect and the progressive nature of faith, offering a reflective, rather than prescriptive, approach to spiritual maturity.
In This Episode:
00:00 Introduction to the Journey
01:00 The Quest for Maturity
02:30 Stages of Spiritual Growth
04:00 Understanding Faith and Certainty
08:00 Walking in the Clouds
10:30 The Nature of Spiritual Growth
13:00 Reflections on Job and Unconditional Love
16:00 A Reflective Journey
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Joël and Rick discuss Joël’s new book, “Hiking the Clouds: The Seven Waypoints of Mature Faith,” exploring the stages of spiritual growth. They challenge the idea of unwavering certainty in faith, emphasizing the importance of love and unconditional trust in God, even amidst uncertainty and doubt. The conversation delves into the Dunning-Kruger effect and the progressive nature of faith, offering a reflective, rather than prescriptive, approach to spiritual maturity.
In This Episode:
00:00 Introduction to the Journey
01:00 The Quest for Maturity
02:30 Stages of Spiritual Growth
04:00 Understanding Faith and Certainty
08:00 Walking in the Clouds
10:30 The Nature of Spiritual Growth
13:00 Reflections on Job and Unconditional Love
16:00 A Reflective Journey

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