In 2004, Tony Blair restricted hunting with hounds because, he said, it was good for the welfare of the fox. Since then, some estimates put UK fox numbers down 40%. Former head of the League Against Cruel Sports Jim Barrington and journalist Richard Negus want to know if Blair was right or wrong. Plus they want to know what the current prime minister, Boris Johnson, thinks he is doing by introducing and animal sentience bill. They talk to Charlie at the Carter Jonas Game Fair Theatre in July 2021.