What goes on in Brussels matters hugely for the transition to new energy in Europe. The Clean Energy Package sets out the frameworks and rules within which national legislation is set. Often the devil is in the detail of these frameworks and rules. In this episode, Delta-ee director and host Jon Slowe talks with Executive Director of smartEn Frauke Theis and Secretary General at the European Heating Industry Federica Sabbati, two people deeply involved in shaping what comes out of Brussels.