Jamie and Heather give an honest (and hilarious) update on their "body doubling" challenge—cleaning out a pantry and a closet together—and discover that what started as a productivity hack became something much deeper. In this episode, they talk about the power of presence, why some seasons make friendship easier than others, and how doing small, ordinary tasks side by side can lighten the weight of life. Plus, Jamie shares a big family update and the unexpected mix of joy, grief, and growth that comes with shifting family dynamics. If you're navigating change, craving deeper friendship, or just need motivation to tackle that one space in your house, this conversation will remind you: two really are better than one.

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Doing Life With Your Adult Children by Jim Burns Ph.D https://www.amazon.com/Doing-Life-Your-Adult-Children/dp/0310353777 Learn more about Dunbar's number: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191001-dunbars-number-why-we-can-only-maintain-150-relationships Get tickets to the next Daughters Dinner happening March 8: https://my.churchonthemove.com/registration/tulsadaughtersmarch2026