How *does* one fly a dragon?  David and Ryan ask Special Effects legend Mike Dawson, designer and builder of the dragon "buck" for House of the Dragon.  They also pester Mike for stories from his totally unfathomable history as a SFX man going all the way back to Superman: The Movie and through Raiders and Empire and Jedi and Temple and Roger Rabbit and Last Crusade!  Come for the dragon scuttlebut, stay for the tales of Mike getting chewed out by both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Henry Jones, Sr.  "And then I remembered my Charlemagne... let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky!"

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