Stephen shares what it's like to lobby in Salt Lake City, some of the games both lobbyists and legislators play, and the LDS Church's influence on Utah politics.

Don shares his favorite and least favorite states to lobby in and how to kill a bill by telling a better and, if possible, ridiculous story.

Welcome to How to Kill a Bill, the podcast where bad bills go to die. On this podcast, we talk about lobbying, politics, and all the shenanigans that take place in state capitols across the country and in Washington, DC. We peel back the layers to show you how lobbying works, what really goes on behind-the-scenes, and how you can use some of these same methods to get involved--and make a difference--on issues you care about, from your local city council, to your school board, to state and federal lobbying.

In this episode, we remind our listeners how a bill becomes a law. We also discuss veto powers, including pocket, line item, Frankenstein, and Vanna White vetoes.