Based on an immersive, interactive presentation experience at the National Conference on Race and Ethnicity (NCORE), today’s episode features co-presenters Krishanna Roberson and Marcus Moore as they talk with Heather Shea about the concept “How to Not” as a counter strategy for diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts. We explore this unconventional approach, learning about the work that inspired the session, their unique facilitation methods, and the contexts in which DEI work currently exists that led to the establishment of this counter-strategy to conventional “out of the box” DEI efforts. If you’re interested in not just “being” but actually “becoming” you should tune into How to Not!