Phoenix and Flame Podcast

How to Reclaim Your Power from Shame


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In this episode, Dana is joined by Emma Lyons, a trauma-informed healer who exposes the true identity of our harshest inner critic. Emma shares her harrowing journey of being the scapegoat in a dysfunctional family with a covert narcissistic mother, and how that trauma manifested as a paralyzing "shame voice." She reveals her powerful realization that this voice isn't just self-doubt; it's an internalized narcissist that acts like a parasite, sabotaging success, visibility, and peace. Emma provides a revolutionary framework for "breaking up" with this internal abuser, challenging the very idea of "healthy shame" and offering listeners a path to reclaim their power, their voice, and their right to be "shameless."

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Phoenix and Flame PodcastBy Dana Skaggs: psychotherapist and keynote speaker

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