Louie and his dear friends, Jay and Katherine Wolf, share hard-won wisdom on how to not only endure suffering but how to thrive and flip our pain into our platform. Filled with practical tips and powerful theology, this conversation will help each of us overcome hurdles and hardship as we learn to lean into God through it all. 

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To learn more about Jay and Katherine Wolf or to grab a copy of their newest book, Suffer Strong, visit hopeheals.com.