We talk with former Vermont Governor and DNC Chair Howard Dean about the current state of the Democratic Party, the unique political culture of Vermont, and why it's time for his generation to make space for new leadership.

He also shares his thoughts on the end of the Vermont Legislative session, what it means to be a Vermonter, his favorite creemee spot, and books everyone should read to understand the state.

In our opening segment Joanna and Andy talk about patriotism in current times, their recent appearance on What Matters This Week, and Joanna's latest failure to properly consume a creemee.