As usual, Kevin and Lesley talk about what is important in HR - "Talk the language of the business" - and how HR needs to change and add more value. However, Lesley also talks honestly about the challenging impact of Covid-19 on P&O, and sadly the consultation process that she has been part of to ensure the survival of the business and save as many jobs as possible. Her direct experience is well worth a listen for any HR people going through tough job reduction processes in this difficult business environment.