What happens when two podcast hosts trade the mic and interview each other?
In this special double-feature episode, Human Journeys host Jason Najum sits down with fellow host Max de Rosnay to share the stories they usually draw out of others. Max opens up about a drug addiction that started young and escalated fast, the family intervention that sent him to rehab at seventeen, and how psilocybin later helped him return to the twelve steps with a sense of self-love he'd never felt before. Jason shares his own reckoning with anxiety, a childhood shaped by his parents' divorce, and the night he broke down on his couch and realized his "default setting" was no longer joy. Two very different paths, both leading to psychedelics, and both leading here.
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In this conversation:
00:00 — Intro
00:27 — Welcome to the double-feature episode
00:57 — Two hosts, one mic: why they're swapping roles
02:25 — Jason's story: childhood in Montreal and a family shaped by history
04:05 — Noticing the shift: when "not great, but alright" stopped being enough
06:05 — The couch moment: hitting a breaking point
08:59 — Max's story: childhood in London and his parents' divorce
13:17 — From class clown to first experiments with drugs
15:12 — Escalation: ketamine, opiates, and heroin by fifteen
16:06 — Family intervention and rehab at seventeen
17:55 — Living with shame, making amends, and finding peace
23:25 — What actually causes addiction: escapism, chemistry, and circumstance
26:17 — Jason's gateway: microdosing psilocybin after the couch moment
32:49 — Peeling back the armor: what surrender looks like in ceremony
34:51 — Max's relapse in Sydney and the voice that told him to stop
38:11 — Finding Psychedelics in Recovery (PIR) and deciding to try psilocybin
40:09 — "I experienced self love for the first time"
43:32 — Comparing experiences: presence, quiet, and seeing the world clearly
54:55 — Max's ayahuasca ceremony in Colombia: purging and sudden gratitude
57:03 — Using psychedelics as a reset, not a rescue
1:02:04 — Closing thoughts: gratitude for the road that got them here
Connect with the hosts:
Instagram: @jasonnajum
LinkedIn: Max de Rosnay and Jason Najum
Follow States of Mind:
YouTube Channel — @statesofmindhub
Spotify — Human Journeys Podcast, by States of Mind
Apple Podcasts — Human Journeys Podcast, by States of Mind
LinkedIn — States of Mind
Instagram — @statesofmindhub
Note: This episode includes candid discussion of drug addiction and mental health. Jason and Max's experiences with psychedelics are personal and not a substitute for professional treatment. If you're struggling with substance use, please reach out to a qualified professional or a support service in your area.
Human Journeys Podcast, by States of Mind, features life-changing conversations of personal healing. Join us as we explore how psychedelic therapies are helping people grow, heal, and transform.
Note: This episode includes candid discussion of psychedelic use and mental health. Guests' experiences with psychedelics are personal and not a substitute for professional treatment. If you're struggling with substance use, please reach out to a qualified professional or a support service in your area.
Human Journeys Podcast, by States of Mind, features life-changing conversations of personal healing. Join us as we explore how psychedelic therapies are helping people grow, heal, and transform.