In his new book "Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War," scholar Samuel Moyn argues that post-9/11 efforts to reform the conduct of US military operations have ultimately sanitized and prolonged the underlying illegal warfare.

Moyn discusses the Obama administration's key role in sanitizing warfare and how it undermined the US anti-war movement. He also addresses criticism of how the legendary human rights attorney Michael Ratner factors into his book's arguments.

Guest: Samuel Moyn. Professor at Yale Law School and a professor of history at Yale University. His new book is "Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War."

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