Christopher Lockyear, Secretary General of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), speaks with Jamie McGoldrick. Prior to becoming Secretary General, Chris held field coordination roles in Sudan, Somalia, and Pakistan. The conversation was recorded in late June. Chris describes a bleak situation. He says preventable deaths are happening because humanitarians are unable to get proper aid into the area. He says MSF is delaying or can’t provide basic care until they get more supplies. Outside of Gaza, Chris and Jamie discuss how humanitarian institutions can improve and build trust. They also talk about how humanitarians are dealing with media pressure, with states pushing propaganda on social media.