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October 03, 2024 Episode 117: How Churches Can Use Social Media (Ideas & Examples) Part 2
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My New Favorites (And Easy Way) to create a lot of social media content for your church and youth ministry without losing your life to editing and capturing!
In this 4 part series playlist I will share with you 4 different types of video content for your church and your social media and how to start creating content with your students, teenagers, youth group and church attenders.
//SHOWNOTES & TRANSCRIPTS
http://www.hybridministry.xyz/117
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//Social Challenge 4 Part Playlist
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//Custom Coaching
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Easy Social Idea #2
02:14 Easy for Viewers to Play
03:43 How I use the Seven Questions Photoshop Template
10:56 How I use the Drafts Photoshop Template
TRANSCRIPT
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Easy social
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media ideas for churches and youth ministries. Idea number two,
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which is a continuation of the video playlist, is linked right here at the top of the screen. I'm going to show you and tell you how I get
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more done by doing less. You know, we explored, in the last video, the first part of my four part church social challenge framework.
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And in this video, I am going to tell you exactly how we capture these videos with the results that you see here on screen, if you're watching on YouTube.
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And then I'm also going to show you how I set up the Photoshop template for this game type along with the game type included in the last video, and it's going to be here all shown on screen.
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So if you're listening, you may want to hop over to the YouTube channel for this one. And as always, over here on YouTube, there are chapters included at the bottom of this video so that you can skip around to the parts that are most relevant to you. But social challenge idea number two, that we do in our church and in our student ministry is a game called
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name of the game is seven questions.
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Now here's the deal about seven questions. Seven questions is essentially a guessing game. So you have two contestants and they sit across from each other or next to each other on screen. And one contestant has something in their brain. Think honestly. Think like 20 questions. But we just reduced it down to seven. So contestant number one, they're going to have something in their brain.
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Let's just pretend the thing in their brain
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is, a green snowflake mug, as you see here on screen that I'm drinking my coffee out of this morning. And so they're going to say, I am thinking of a thing. And so then the next person has seven questions to try and guess what thing they are guessing. And so they'll ask them yes or no based questions as they ask them either a checkmark for yes answers will show up on the screen, or a x for wrong answers was a checkmark for yes answers and an X for no answers will show up on the screen because it's just going to be keeping track one, 2345,
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six, seven on screen. Of how many questions have been asked by the seventh question, they need to submit their guess. And then at the very end of the video, the person will say, let us know down below in the comments how you did. Now, here's one of the reasons that I love
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this game. If I'm thinking about hybrid, and if I'm thinking about, melding my in-person along with my digital together.
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I like this game because the way that we open it up and here's the script for it. Feel free to copy it. It goes like this. The name of the game is seven questions. If you want to play along, go ahead and close your eyes. The answer is going to be right here on screen. Category is thing. Here we go.
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And then the
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other person will start asking them yes or no questions. And so in theory, if someone's scrolling through
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social media and they're encouraged to play along, or at least given the option to play along in their set, and they're being told to close
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their eyes. If they close their eyes, the, green mug will pop up on the screen with the eyes closed, and so you won't actually see it.
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I'll add some sort of sound effect to let it know that it's gone, and then they can open their eyes again, and they can try and guess the item along with the other person on the in the game in real life, who is, trying to guess it
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now, just like the draft style, videos that we do, these are a fantastic way to get students mingling together to invite them, to be a part
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of our social media.
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All kinds of different
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setups and gear recommendations are also included in the templated link that was in the last episode. It's also going to be included. Same
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link in this episode. And so, viewers can, play along. The people in the room get to play along. People in the studio that we have are
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getting a chance to kind of like, run the room and run audio and run video and edit all of these things.
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But what I want to do is I want to show you how I have
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created a template. And so if you are watching, here on YouTube, you'll get an opportunity to see I'm going to be, sharing my screen and what you're going to be seeing, right here in just a couple seconds. Is my, screen with the Photoshop template.
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And so right here, this is
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the template that I use. And so the very first thing here in Photoshop is I have this layer right here. And it's just like a TikTok template layer. And so I use that for this as well as if you look right here on screen, this is our draft template. I just have that on screen so that I know where the elements for social media are.
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Right. I know that TikTok, Instagram, YouTube shorts, their menu options are right aligned. Right? So the follow button, the like button, the comment and all the stuff on the right side of the screen. So I try to stay on the left side of the screen. And I also know down here at the bottom is where the text or the captions or any of the other comments will kind of pop up along with the menu.
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So I try to kind of stay away from there. I just downloaded this this template off of Google. If you download this template for me, it'll be included right here in this Photoshop file as the, bottommost layer. I just have it title as layer one because I haven't changed it yet. But you, if you're not going to use this template that I have, or if you don't have Photoshop, you can just grab something off of Google to kind of put that in at the base of whatever editor you're using something on, and maybe Canva or something and something even on your phone.
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Or if you are using your phone, you may not be able to import a layer like this, but if you are using your phone, just know to kind of stay away from the the left and the bottom right. Those are sort of like the danger zones, so to speak, of, of of social media, of Instagram Reels, of TikTok and all that type of stuff.
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So anyway, so this is what my template right here looks like. Like I said, it's for the game seven questions. And so, I'll have student A and student B and let me just give you a little hack. If you're recording these in bulk, which we typically do, I make the student say their name. And then I also make the student spell it because when the student comes back on, I do want their name to be on screen.
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First name? Only. And when I do that, I want their name to be on screen and I want it to be spelled correctly. And so if I don't know any of their names, or if I didn't know exactly how to spell it, having them spell it helps me make sure that I get their name exactly right on the template.
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That's just a little hack for running the room. But I cut all that out. I don't include, like, my name is Nick. Nick, I take that part, I might say my name is Nick. Cut. And Nick, and then the next person, my name is Caleb. Caleb cut out the Caleb and then say name game seven questions or I may just cut all the name stuff out together and jump right there to where it says the name of the game is Seven questions, because my name and his name is going to be on the screen together and therefore we don't have to, you know, worry about getting that across the in kind of name tag
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thing right here matters. Now you'll notice that they're behind some of these other layers. And that's okay because in Photoshop, what we're going to do when we jump over here into premiere, we get to adjust where they are and what like layer they're at. So in this particular one, you'll notice that the students names are beneath the layers.
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But all all I need to do if I want to, raise those up is I need to just grab these layers and I'm going to give myself just a little bit more, visual space on this. I can just elevate those all the way to the top. And so now those are on the top. Everything in Photoshop, everything in Adobe is kind of layers, dependent and layers based.
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And now as I go through, they are on top. I also just so you know, because they are sort of in the way I only keep them for the first little bit, and then once they start asking questions, I actually cut them. And so here's me cutting the names out of the, the thing that I'm editing. And so name name name name name.
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And then they're gone. So anyway, all that to be said, I have just this template, these, 123456, seven numbers. If you're watching here on screen, off to the left side, out of the way of any, text or icons on screen. And then I also have, X's and I have them labeled over here in my panel.
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Right. X1, x2, x3 x4 x5 x6 x7. But right beneath them. Watch if I hide this layer just with the eyeball tool. Beneath it is a check mark tool. And so depending on what their answer is, I will then pull over either an X or a check when they ask the question. So here in the game they're asking a question.
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And all these are right ones. And so when they ask it, we just pull in, check one right here. From, from this, from this Photoshop layer, file over here on the left hand side. And so in order to get that in there, you finish editing your thing. So in this particular instance, in the seven questions, the thing that they're thinking of was a dog.
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And so I put a picture of a dog here on screen. And you just swap that out for whatever, the item is in the person's brain. And so then I save this file, save as, and, I would go in here to, where my file is stored on my hard drive. So in this particular case, this is what you would see in your download.
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Look, something like that. Go over here into Adobe Premiere Pro, and I am going to drag this item into my, project bin over here. When I do, it gives me an import layer option in Adobe Premiere Pro. And if I hit this little drop down menu, I can do merge all layers, and that will just bring the whole thing in as an image all together.
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Merged layers, individual layers or sequence. You're going to want to hit individual layers, and it's going to break every single thing up into an individual layer. So now when I open it up, you'll see if I just preview these, here's my numbers, here's my checks. All the way down through here is layer one. There's my TikTok layer. I don't need that but just going to be in there.
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Questions seven. So I'm using that to kind of I'm going to animate those layers in. So right here you'll see they come in right here and we do some animations on those as they like fly in or flicker in paired with like a sound effect. Here's their, their names. And those are going to be in alphabetical order.
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So n would be for Nick would be in alphabetical order here. In this in this Adobe Premiere Pro thing, it would be wherever N would go in the alphabetical list. And then here's all my X's and again it's alphabetical order. And so X1X2X2X4X5X7 depending on if they get it right or wrong. You can add sound effects down here.
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You can get them from three three places stuff like that. You can also, you want to keep it, like I said, under a minute. So I tend to cut out any of the thinking or if the thinking is funny in any way, I might put a sound effect or zoom in on their face, or put some sort of, like, funny thing on screen to kind of keep the video moving.
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But that's all you got to do, right? So if you are editing with, Adobe products, this is how simple it is. And you can just take and borrow this template and use it to edit your videos. Now, in the last video we talked about drafts, and this is my draft template, which is a little bit more intensive out of the simple in sheer fact, because there are ten things as opposed to only seven things.
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Same concept. So we're going to save all these things. The only thing that's different is I use circles here. So zoomed in on screen you'll see those. And this is apparently from a breakfast draft and also leftovers of a Bible hero's draft. But this person picked bacon. And so what you'll notice here is that this got this little arrow.
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What that is, is that's called a clipping mask. And so what I've done is I just snagged this picture off of Google, or you can do a royalty free site like pexels.com or unsplash.com. Links to those down below in the show notes. But you just simply right click and you can create a clipping mask over this circle that's here.
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Right. And so in all of these cases, the circles are already in existence. And so if you go through and I hide these things, this is a numbers with a circle base, underneath all of them. And so I just copy and paste a picture. And so what I do just to kind of show you how it's done, I might do so for, doing coffee products.
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I might do a coffee mug. Find a coffee mug here. And choose this one. This one seems cool. Copy. And so if I'm replacing out this template, I don't want bacon anymore. I select that layer. It's not selected over here in the layer selection panel. If I delete it, I release and got rid of the clipping mask.
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And now ellipse one is the one that is highlighted. And so you're going to want to make sure that that happens. Otherwise there's just so many layers that you're going to kind of get lost I'll paste this in here. And now this layer is on top of my ellipse layer as I hit command T to transform and adjust the size.
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I'm just going to adjust to size right over top of the circles here. Zoom back in so I can get it where I want it to be. There it is. And and then, I'm going to accept the changes and now it's right here, but it's not in its clipped mask. So I'm going to right click on that.
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And I'm going to click Create Clipping Mask. And I can then still adjust what is visible there on screen by hitting command and adjusting the size ever so slightly. And then one thing that you're going to want to do is label this really well. So this is the layer. Layer two is the layer that you're going to bring in on top of it over in premiere.
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So let's say I'm the first person. So I just label it in for Nick. And then one and so then that way I know that it's n one and that's my mug option. And as long as it stays in this template, when you bring it over in premiere, it's going to be exactly where you want it to stay.
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Now, if I wanted to change names, that's the beautiful thing about Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Premiere Pro is that, if I, have brought this over here, let's say back to our seven questions. If I brought these in with names, but I got the names wrong. All I got to do is go back here into my student A, student B, all I got to do is just change this.
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If I wanted to change this name to Caleb and then click File Save As and drop it here, replace. Now back over here and promote Premiere Pro. That name is going to update here in just a second. It may take a minute, but it'll update over to Caleb. And so that's something I think that's pretty cool.
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You know what? This is actually from an old this is from, a different layer. So let me so this student B was updated to Caleb. So let me pull that in. Look now it says Caleb. So or now this will actually work if you're watching, if I change it back to student B and then I click File Save as replacing that sucker.
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Now over here. Watch. There went you might you might not have seen it because it happens so fast. That's the beautiful thing about Adobe Premiere Pro and Adobe Photoshop. So as I quit sharing my screen here, I just very simply want to say to all of you that these right here, especially seven questions, are really easy one, to get students who have absolutely no editing skills to get going on editing.
00:15:06:02 - 00:15:26:17
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They're quick. They're they're easy to edit because they're under a minute. Usually. And so I can hand one of these over to them, and I can show them how to drag and drop the layers and make sure that they're in the right spot, add some sound effects. And off we go to the races. Now moving on. We are in our four part, my Church's Social Challenge videos.
00:15:26:17 - 00:15:46:28
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These are how I get more things done with students. We're going to move on to the third video type in our strategy. And that video is linked right here on screen. So go ahead and click that video and we'll see you over there. Don't forget that we are making digital discipleship easy possible. And accessible. So as always don't forget to stay hybrid.
16 min
September 26, 2024 Episode 116: How Churches Can Use Social Media (Ideas & Examples)
💡100 Topics Ideas & Templates💡
https://share.hsforms.com/1JOHqd4XOTbC5ZgfXB85BCwnumis
🔥 [FREE] Hybrid Ministry Strategy Guide🔥
https://hybrid-ministry-40060036.hubspotpagebuilder.com/free-hybrid-ministry-e-book
=========
DESCRIPTION
My New Favorites (And Easy Way) to create a lot of social media content for your church and youth ministry without losing your life to editing and capturing!
In this 4 part series playlist I will share with you 4 different types of video content for your church and your social media and how to start creating content with your students, teenagers, youth group and church attenders.
//SHOWNOTES & TRANSCRIPTS
http://www.hybridministry.xyz/116
======================================
📓SHOWNOTES
//Custom Coaching
https://www.hybridministry.xyz/articles/coaching
//Caleb Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXShFfsJsM&t=520s
💡100 Topics Ideas & Templates💡
https://share.hsforms.com/1JOHqd4XOTbC5ZgfXB85BCwnumis
//Studio Tour & Gear Links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVT1xvh9-5k&t=557s
👉 STAY CONNECTED WITH NICK
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@clasonnick
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hybridministry/
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Website: https://www.hybridministry.xyz
🆓 FREEBIES 🆓
Level up your youth ministry game with these freebies!
🔗 https://linktr.ee/clasonnick
🛠️TOOLS
Some of the below links are affilate links in which we do recieve a small commission based on your purchase or use of products
VIDIQ
https://vidiq.com/hybrid
BEST DYM RESOURCES
https://www.hybridministry.xyz/articles/dym
OPUS.PRO FOR AI SHORTS & REELS
https://www.opus.pro/?via=a5d361
//YOUTUBE STARTER KIT FOR UNDER $100
https://www.hybridministry.xyz/articles/youtubestarterkit
🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 2024 Social Media Strategy
01:28 Create Content With Your Students
02:05 How it all began
06:00 Video #1
09:44 How to Edit
12:49 How to Capture the Videos
TRANSCRIPT
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Easy social media ideas for churches and for youth ministries.
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Hey everyone, welcome to the Hybrid Ministry Show. I am your host, Nick place, and we are looking to make digital discipleship easy, possible and accessible. My strategy for social media in 2024,
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and it's looking like beyond if you didn't know this. Short form vertical based videos or reels?
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TikToks YouTube shorts account for 90% of the internet's traffic, which is just a wildly high
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statistic. And so people are getting on the internet to consume these styles of videos. And so we as churches, as communicators, as people who want to have an impact in our world, we need to be on these platforms. And so if you do want to be on social media, I recommend taking that strategic approach, posting those types of videos.
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And I also recommend not just posting only spiritual content. So one of the funnest things to do is post content that is just fun,
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interesting, funny, like a game of some sort, and then hook people kind
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of with that sort of piece of content and then hopefully drive them deeper down your funnel,
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which you will eventually get them to more spiritual content and, and hopefully you'll get them to a long form version of your spiritual content, which from there you can hopefully,
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just like you would live in the room, just like you would live with the sermon.
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Prompt them to take some sort of meaningful next step closer to Jesus. My new favorite phenomenon for churches and for youth ministries is to create content
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with my students, not just content
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for my students.
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Generation Z and subsequently Generation Alpha are looking for the personal touch. They've they've grown up under the rise of customization generation. Alpha is going to be growing up under the rise of personalization with algorithms and AI and things that can make life just very tailored to them.
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And so they don't want to necessarily get on their social media and see a
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bunch of stuff that I have done for them. They would rather get on social media and see a bunch of stuff
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that they have had an opportunity to participate in.
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And so a couple years ago, my resident Caleb, linked right here is my interview with him.
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And in it, we actually talked for a little while about this concept called the social challenge. And so where this came birthed out of is in our student ministry, we have a very, very vibrant YouTube channel. It's probably the social media platform that
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I pour the most gas on. If you want to see our strategy link down below is my completely free e-book strategy guide, detailing and outline every single thing I do from silly posting videos, long form version, pieces of content.
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It will help you take an adapter and make that possible in your context. But we were talking through a
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YouTube channel, which is mostly just teaching videos, and he wanted to include more students
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on our longform, teaching videos section of YouTube. You know, YouTube is broken into different like containers. You got you got
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posts and you got shorts and you got videos and you got lives.
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And so he's like, I want more students. I
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think it'd be good if there were more students on the video portion. And not just us staff, people with teaching videos. And I was like, okay, great. So he invented this thing called the social Challenge. And the social challenge became a huge win for us in our student ministry in multiple arenas.
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But early on, it would just be him or maybe him, and like another one of our students or him and another one of our interns filming some, some students doing some sort of challenge, just think like any sort of
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youth group game. And then they would just capture it on camera. And so that was on a Wednesday night.
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Our team, we don't work on Fridays. And so he would come into the office
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on Thursday and he would edit all day long to try and get that thing ready to go. And then from there, he would get that thing posted and off he would go, putting our students on, on the YouTube channel. Well,
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over time, that just became hefty every single week with a Thursday all day edit like that was the only thing he had like really bandwidth for it to do.
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On Thursday. And so we let that thing run for about a semester. And then we made an adjustment. And I said, what if we,
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Because in the meantime, we were filming short form, vertical based video content with our staff, and we would film like once a month, and we would get together and we would do some of these ideas.
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And one of the ones I'm about to share with you here in just a minute, and we would, we were filming for us
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and I was like, what if we put students behind that camera? And so that's what we did. And so my favorite, we do in our studio. Mr.. Now we've honed it in where we do four different types of social challenges.
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And so most months are made up of four different weeks and so on week one we'll do this week two do that, week three we'll do that. Link four we'll do that. Or we'll just do
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whatever is running low. And so I have every single thing, every single piece of content stored
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in a Google Drive. And I can see as I post daily, I can see which of these pieces of content I'm running
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out of, and then thus which ones we need to film more of on the next Wednesday night.
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Some of the other advantages youth pastors that this has had
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is this has created a space in our student ministry for students to come and let their voice be heard, and for them to actually get a chance to be on social media themselves. And then
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they're actually looking for it later on down the road, like, when are you going to post my video?
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Let me know. And it was funny, last week I actually pulled a kid aside and said, hey, I'm
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posting yours tomorrow. And so then he texted me. I didn't send him the link or anything like that, but he texted me. He's like, that was good, you know, typical seventh grade boy. But, he he reached out of his own accord.
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Right. Once he saw his video had been posted online. And so it's had some major wins for us in the room. It's actually made like our in person, a little bit more, intimate, like it's made our students actually get to interact with and know each other a little bit more. And so that's our current adaptation. We just batch record our students any given Wednesday
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night, with these different for social media ideas, I'm going to share with you in this video playlist.
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The first video idea that we do, it's called drafts. Now, you've probably seen or heard these before in if you've ever been on social media, all kinds of different people have done them. And I'm not, you know, claiming to be the the author of this idea, we have no doubt seen, we're taking
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this, you know, from other people, we've seen it done elsewhere, and we've adapted it to our culture
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and to our context.
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But essentially what it is is you choose, like
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any topic, literally any topic in the world that has at least ten or more options. And the reason you need ten or more is because it's it's sort of treated like a, like sports or like a basketball type thing where you draft somebody, to your starting five. And so if you and if you and I were doing this, you might go first in any particular category, let's just say,
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let's just say basketball players, you know, for example, by the way, link down below in the description I have shared with you, like over 100 different draft topic ideas
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as well as a
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gear resource list. So go ahead and click that link and go grab it. You can just have it and then you can take these and kind of copy and paste them and implement them into your church and into
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your social media strategy. But if you're going first, maybe you're Michael Jordan guy. So you take Michael Jordan, but then you go to me and it'd be my pick.
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And the only thing I couldn't take is Michael Jordan. I could take any other basketball player I wanted to. I could take LeBron James. I can also take Bronny James. It doesn't matter. I could take whoever I want. So I'll go LeBron. And then back to you. You might think that the third greatest player of all time is like Magic Johnson.
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And that's fair. I'll go ahead and give you like thumbs up on that. Come back to me. I'll probably take like Larry Bird or something like that. Back over to you. Let's say you take, maybe you're a big Bulls guy. Maybe you take Scottie Pippen. Great. That's fine. I don't agree with that necessarily. But I appreciate you trying back over to me.
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I probably go doctor J. Or Wilt Chamberlain maybe. I think, and as I'm doing this, I'm commentating it, right. I'm like, you know, I'm thinking this thing that, and so I'll go ahead. I'll take I'll take, I'll, I'll end up taking wilt. No no no no no no. What am I doing? I'll take Shaq I'll take Shaq back over to you.
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And you're like, all right, fine, I'll take Kobe. Great. That's great. Back over to me now. I'll take wilt okay. And I'm not now like building a team to play with. And you can set those parameters because I can't have Will and Shaq playing on the same team that both centers. Right. Back over to you. Maybe you're going to take like a modern guy.
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Maybe you're going to go like Kevin Durant or something like that. And I think that would be fair. Back over to me if I wanted to take a modern guy. Though I don't think he's, top ten of all time, but I do think it's great. Shaq good. So Alexander represent Oklahoma City Thunder. That's my favorite basketball team.
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And then what you do then is you'd say, hey, let us know. Comment down below who you think won okay. Now in that particular case, everyone watching would definitely say that I won. But maybe you got some big, Bulls fans, some some people from Chicago watching your content. Maybe they would say that you won, and they would say that you picked all the goats and Kobe Bryant and Scottie Pippen and all the other people, right?
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Like,
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whatever the case might be, but you just literally go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. Another option you can do is you can snake it in
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so if you don't know, it's like, first person, second person, second person, first person, first person, second person, second person. That's the concept of a snake draft.
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I don't
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I don't do that as much in like a two person draft because, it's just like 12X2X2X2X2, and then it ends with one. I'd rather just kind of do the bounce back, but either way, your choice, your decision, you figure out which you prefer. And then
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I need to edit that sucker. And so typically when I do it with anyone on my staff, those drafts end up being like, five minutes,
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because there's a fair bit of banter.
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And we're sort of like, gassing people for, like, what they said, or slamming them for how bad we thought the choices were.
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And either way, we're kind of going back and forth, making fun of each other. And so that you have you have some decisions to make
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in the editing process, right? You got to get it down for me, I try to get every video under 60s because YouTube shorts is cap is 60s.
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And so if I can get it under 60, then that means I can post it on YouTube shorts, TikTok, Instagram Reels and Facebook Reels all four places.
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Now, if you don't want to use YouTube shorts though, if you're trying to reach teenagers, can I please implore you to consider using it? 95% of teenagers are on YouTube, and so if you are in youth ministry, you should definitely be using YouTube, and thus you should also
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be using YouTube shorts.
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But if you don't want to use YouTube, then you can make it longer because those other platforms allow for longer, time segments of videos. And you can
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edit it directly on your phone. My edits, it look like this. If you're watching here on YouTube. I'll also share with you my Photoshop template in that,
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free downloadable document where I am sharing, you know, all the different hundreds of ideas of draft, topics and content that you can use.
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But, if you don't have Photoshop, you can literally design this, in anything. You can design it on TikTok, in the TikTok editor. You can design it on an app like Cap Cut for the free version or the paid version. You can use it on Instagram Reels. Editor. Like it's literally the sky is the limit on where you can edit it.
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I like to edit in
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Adobe Premiere Pro, so I use Adobe Photoshop, and then I import those files into Adobe Premiere Pro and the good news in all of this is that for a while I started doing it. And then, homeschool kids are
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the best in our student ministry because they obviously they they don't go to school for as long during the day when they do homeschool.
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And I can have
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them come in and they can use, one of our spare computers that has Adobe Premiere Pro loaded on it. And I've been just teaching them how to use Adobe Photoshop, how to use Adobe Premiere Pro.
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And I had a student, I kid you not, who he took all of, one of our other, like, video tape adaptations.
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We had like, like 12
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of them, and he edited every single one of them, like in one sitting. He he came in. It was like
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his maybe fifth time in, And so he had to, like, learn and get up to speed on that fifth time. I mean, he just
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crushed them to the point where he was loving editing.
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And then he said to me, hey, can I come in tomorrow? And I was like, bro, you've done them all.
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And before I was getting students to come in and edit, I was editing them all myself, every single one. And so I was always behind. I never was caught up and he got me completely caught up. And now the other good news in all of this is that in addition to students editing it and getting them posted, I've also had students begin to take ownership and leadership in the room of where we're filming this thing.
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So we've actually built a full studio. You can see link down below, our studio tour and all the gear that we use, but sometimes we just use like a camera on the back of a cell phone and like external microphones. Other times we use like full podcast studio type microphones and run that into like a focus right camera.
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And we filmed it off our Sony ZV ten. Again, all of that is linked in that, studio tour episode. If you want to look at any of that purchase, any of that. And then if you do have your phone, you can just edit it directly off your phone. If you do it off of a camera, you got to take out the SD card and then download it and then go edit it in some sort of software on your computer.
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Again, either one of those strategies is fine. You decide what you want, you can do a really heavy edit, or you can do a really minimal edit like either of those. Either of those strategies works, and you can kind of do whatever works best for you and your, your time frame. Right. But once those students, edit those, I also have students capturing them or I have them running the room.
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I have them, getting students in place. I have them literally running, like, action and, like, clapping their hands. And, it was actually really helpful because one week when we were filming a bunch of, these draft style videos, the camera audio cut out, but I got all the mic audio, but I was like, how am I going to sync up empty words?
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To real audio? And because of the claps, I was able to find the clap on the camera, link up that spike, and then they were able to be to be linked. And so, I at this point in time, like this, this strategy, this four part video strategy, students are running it on Wednesday nights capturing the videos, and then students are editing it and all I'm doing is overseeing it and posting it.
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And so my guess would be, if you're in
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youth ministry and you want to create content with your students, that this is what you're looking for because you may not feel equipped, you may not feel like you have, what it takes or even the knowledge behind social media in your students. They do, they do. And if you're willing to build the infrastructure enough to then be able to hand that over to them, I think that's a fantastic model and it takes more work off of your
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plate.
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And so if you're interested in exploring, how to do that or even just looking for maybe like some some next steps, I offer a coaching link down below. Reach out about that is really affordable, is really cheap, and I would love to help you get that up and running. Now on to easy social media video idea number two.
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I'm glad that you asked because I'm sure you were looking for it. It's actually going to be linked here on screen in the very next video, which I have here on my channel. So go ahead and tap that. Go check that one out. And without any further ado, we will see you over there because we are making digital discipleship easy and possible and accessible.
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And so as always, don't ever forget to stay hybrid.
17 min
September 19, 2024 Episode 115: Youth Pastor Review Aura and Bark vs Covenant Eyes
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A Youth Pastor's Review on the Parental Control Apps of
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•Aura + Circle
•Bark
Also, which phone is best, iPhone vs Android for Generation Alpha and online Safety
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00:00 The 3 Best Parental Control Apps on the Market
00:44 Aura + Circle Review
04:42 Bark Review
08:59 Covenant Eyes Review
TRANSCRIPT
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In
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this episode, we are going to look at the three best parental control apps that are on the market. We're going to
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explore what each of their features have to offer where they don't. As you know, tech always has shortcomings. And so
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we're going to try to kind of explore and and crack the door open on what some of those things might be.
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I'm going to give you what I believe you should choose between an iPhone or an Android phone for one of your children. And finally, we're going to flesh out the age old debate what do we do about phones and distractions as it pertains to education and youth ministry? But first and foremost, we're going to be exploring these three apps Aura versus Bark versus covenant.
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So let's dive in first here with Aura according to what we see here on their website. And I'm not an aura user, and I did not get the, a trial or free trial to, to check this out. And so I am just going to be going based on what I see on their website. But as someone who has 13 years of of youth ministry experience and is also a dad, I know a thing or two about, my way around these apps and what's, what they're offering and where maybe some of the shortcomings might be.
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But Aura, I believe, starts with a little bit of a baseline of security. And so I think they're a security app that has added parental control features into it. Later, rather than being a parental control app first. Right. So each of these, you can tell each of these starts and a little bit of a different place. And so Aura starts with security.
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And so one of the things that Aura has to offer is, you know, if you're here on on YouTube, you'll see some of these things on screen, but something about content filtering and safe search and YouTube, safe mode. And they'll check their history and their internet usage and, and time left and stuff like that. You can do things like time limits and pausing the internet and bedtime and bonus time.
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They also have some gaming features and things that can keep kids safe online, but you'll see that Aura and Bark are in direct competition, because in just a minute, we're gonna look at the Bark versus Aura page. But Aura has parental controls and they are now in partnership with circle. You might remember Circle by Disney. So Aura and circle are not together.
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And so with circle powered by circle Aura offers content filtering, offers screen time limits, bedtime pausing, the internet, internet usage reports, and this is I always pay attention to stuff like this because this is what I want to know. Right? So like I'm going to read what this says, get a complete picture of kids internet use across all devices so you can make informed decisions about the amount of screen time that's right for your family.
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I'm still not sure what they're doing with that and how they're, tracking the the usage report of that, the internet history. It'll, track kids online habits to spot overuse on certain apps and websites, and see which sites were blocked. And so that to me is just like, a screen time, you know, kind of report like how many minutes it has been on TikTok, how many minutes it has been on YouTube, so to speak.
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You can give online time, safe gaming, safe browsing, and then antivirus and dark web monitoring. So those things right there again, sort of communicate to me like they're about like the safety online and like hackers and those types of things and those are valuable. Don't get me wrong. Right. Here's how they do parental controls here. They you can add your child, you link their device, and then you just customize it.
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And based on the screenshot here, you can either block or not block. Right. So discord block or not block, Facebook block or not block. And if you remember in our last episode linked right here at the top of the screen, if you're here on YouTube, I talked about moderation. Right. And as your child grows older, figuring out how to sprinkle in more elements of moderation.
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And so in the same kind of vein, this is a very like yes or no sort of response. Like, can they be on this app or not? Versus how do they make wise decisions while they're on that app? And you know, as you're parenting, there may be certain apps you want to keep your kids completely away from. But as you're getting older and developing and showing more responsibility, how do you offer them that without giving them full, unlimited and unleashed rein on it?
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So let's talk about pricing. It looks like if you pay an annualized version of it, you are at about $8.33 per month. Or if you do like the monthly breakdown, it's about $11 per month. So 833 per month billed annually. You're looking at $99.96, per year versus 11, which is $132 per year. So that seems reasonable to me for a subscription.
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Like I if I were a customer, I would not be upset about that price tag. Of course, you gotta do what works best for you. So bark in comparison to talk about Barc, now they have this website. Here's literally bark versus circle. Plus the aura app. Right. So it's literally they're comparing their suite of products versus aura.
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So you can see these two are in a little bit of competition with one another. And so let's just look at how they compare and how they stack up against them. So it says both of them can block specific apps, bark can block specific sites, and it can choose from 19 different categories to, block from.
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They have location tracking. Both of them do. Both of them can create custom screen time schedules. Here apply different screen time rules to different day. So this is bark can create specific rules for each day of the week based on your family or has different schedules for weekdays and weekends. And so I guess, or, according to bark here, has a weekday option and a weekend option.
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That's it. Or bark, you can do different days. That may be useful for certain things, like maybe a one day, a heavy soccer practice day. And you can't use phones that day as much. I'm not sure. But, you know, there is more it sounds like more flexibility on that. But here in this is true content monitoring, bark gives themselves a check, as you would assume that the company would.
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It gives Aura an X. And so let's see what it says here. So this skin text email phone video, 30 plus apps and social media platforms for issues in children's phones, tablets and Chromebooks where or does not offer true content monitoring. They don't use advanced technology to look for keywords in context. However, you can monitor or view internet usage or history of an app, website or category.
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And we did see that. And so it looks like bark, is a little bit more, invasive. And parents may like that may not. Right. And so that's a good thing. Also alerts for sexual content, cyberbullying and depression. Bark alerts are sent for worrisome content across 19 different categories. And you can add unlimited devices for each of your kids.
00:06:35:14 - 00:06:53:14
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You can do that on both of them. So, you monitor content. And so here's how this looks on the screenshot. If you're watching here on screen, it sends a little alert. And so it actually parses out these words that may look like, you know, this may be bullying. And, and that's different than just straight up, like, content or website or, you know what I'm saying.
00:06:53:14 - 00:07:10:11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So that's really good and that's really helpful for parent. And so again this as a parent, you may be looking at this and think how you know, how grateful you might be for something like that. Commanded screen time here. It looks like, you can set schedules, you can block certain websites, certain apps. You can track locations. All that's great.
00:07:10:13 - 00:07:26:26
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Let's talk about pricing. So Burke has, kind of a variety, a lot of different suites. They've been in the game for a while, so they have Burke Premium, which is $14 per month, and then Burke Junior, which is $5 per month. And the difference is both of them can manage screen time. Both of them can filter websites.
00:07:26:26 - 00:07:51:06
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Both of them can keep up with locations. However, Burke Junior can't monitor text emails from 30 plus apps or get alerts for things like cyber bullying. In addition to that, you should know that Burke has a variety of different types of content. So they have phones, they have their app, and then they have thing called Burke home. And so that's to monitor things like smart screens, smart TVs, gaming, and stuff like that.
00:07:51:06 - 00:08:11:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so, within the phone of Bark, right, there's the starter plan, which it says starting at $39 a month. What you get for that is unlimited talk, text, no internet, the App Store or games as it advances up $49 unlimited talk, text and Wi-Fi. So no data. 59 is unlimited talk text, four gigs of Wi-Fi data, or like data.
00:08:11:22 - 00:08:32:04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Data like you're not on a Wi-Fi network. 69 is unlimited. Talk text eight gigs and 89 is unlimited talk text in data. So a bark phone, if you're just getting started, you don't already have a phone that you're trying to retrofit for your kid. For online safety, Bark seems like a the phone seems like a great way to get started, especially introducing some of these things to children.
00:08:32:06 - 00:08:58:18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The app Bark Premium is $14 a month, which nets out to, or is about $99 a year if you pay in the annualized version. So again, compared to aura, that's right. In that same range. And then they also offer the home thing. And so the thing is, if you add the phone plus the app, plus the home, the phone, if you go at it's like most expensive is, a little over a thousand a year, the apps $99 a year, and the home is about $72 per year.
00:08:58:20 - 00:09:16:14
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now, the third one that I want to look at is Covenant Eyes. And now, if you've never heard of Covenant Eyes, so like I said, they each start with a different sort of baseline. So aura I would say starts with like internet safety. Bark is parental controls. I feel like an aura sort of has retrofitted their, you know, company to kind of match that.
00:09:16:14 - 00:09:34:25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then Covenant Eyes is honestly a little bit more like purity and, have like having good online habits. And so I think it may start with a little bit older mindset and a little bit older demographic. However, I will just be clear, like I actually have this installed on my device and you're going to see why here in just a minute.
00:09:34:28 - 00:10:00:26
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It starts with the concept of having allies or basically people that you can, trust and relate to. And so these people get your reports and, and keep, track of your internet monitoring and your internet habits and they'll get reports every couple of weeks. And so what Covenant Eyes does is you install, a little program on your computer and it monitors everything on the screen.
00:10:00:28 - 00:10:24:06
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now, listen, I've heard stories as a youth pastor, have been in youth ministry almost 14 years of kids who will go to like the Bible app, click on a link, it'll open up a browser, and then they're just on the Bible app. And so what, like a bark or an aura will do is they would look at that and they would say, hey, they're on the Bible app, but they're not telling you what actually is showing up on their screen on the Bible app.
00:10:24:06 - 00:10:43:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And if they're just using the Bible app as the gateway into something else that doesn't actually do us any good, we're covenant eyes. The difference is it shows every single thing on the screen. So even though you're in the Bible app, what is showing up on the screen is what's really being monitored and what's really being tracked. And I really, really like that.
00:10:43:24 - 00:11:02:16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And as a parent, I really, really appreciate that because I can set myself up as one of my children's allies and I can go in to their account and I can look at everything that they do. I'll get a weekly summary report, but if I go in, I can look at it almost minute by minute of what is been shown and what has been on their screen recently.
00:11:02:17 - 00:11:22:04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And, it will send alerts for things that are alarming. You can, you know, like it'll say like, hey, this website doesn't seem like a good website or it's unsafe or whatever, but if there's like if you're more stuck in the gray and it's like, it's just like images that are not so, honoring to God on like, social media or like Instagram or whatever.
00:11:22:04 - 00:11:42:12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Like it will also pick those things up to them. That's what I really, really appreciate about an app like Covenant Eyes. And so, the the difference is, it's about $184 per year. So is the most expensive of them all. I have been to use it for a while. And so before they did this they did just website kind of monitoring.
00:11:42:12 - 00:12:09:23
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But now they've, created this kind of AI product to monitor every single thing on screen. Now it can be used for both iPhones and androids. On the iPhone app, I believe that you have to download an app. And then everything within that app is tracked. But you and I know that our lives live within other apps, like we don't just go to like, Safari, and that's the only place that we browse the internet like we're on TikTok, we're on YouTube, we're on Instagram.
00:12:09:25 - 00:12:28:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so if you want everything monitored, it has to be through the app on an iPhone. However, one of the reasons I prefer Android and I would recommend that, by the way, is, it tracks every single thing on every single screen over all apps. Every single thing on the screen is always being monitored. And I like that.
00:12:28:19 - 00:12:46:12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I appreciate that. And so you give up some, you know, social equity because you are the cause for the green bubbles. But every single thing on the phone is always being monitored. And so between these three aura and Mark and covenant, as I would recommend Covenant Eyes, and I would recommend it being used with an Android phone.
00:12:46:14 - 00:13:04:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I, think that if you went that route for your kids or even for yourself, you will not be disappointed. And I just wanna let you know. Link down below. There is an app to, give Covenant Eyes a try. They have a complete 30 day money back guarantee so you don't have anything to lose. Give it a shot, see if you like it.
00:13:04:22 - 00:13:27:01
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I believe it is worth it. And what that leads us to as a result, out of this sort of generation alpha conversation that we've been having is what do we do as educators and what do we do as a youth pastors with phones. If all the all these kids are getting phones that earlier and earlier ages and they're bringing them to church and they're bringing them to youth group, like, what do we do with all of them and how do we handle that?
00:13:27:03 - 00:13:44:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Well, I sat down recently with my friend Josh Baldwin, and we had a conversation about what this means for cell phones and youth ministry and navigating distractions. Do we cut them all out or do we find a way to lean into them? So I'm excited for you to take a listen to that conversation. If you're watching here on YouTube is linked right here on screen.
00:13:44:24 - 00:13:57:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So go ahead and take a look at that. And don't forget, as you do that, we at the Hybrid Ministry Show are trying to make digital discipleship easy and possible and accessible. So as always, don't forget to stay hybrid.
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September 12, 2024 Episode 114: Before Buying your Child a Phone…
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Phones and Screens are the biggest difference between Generation Alpha and all other Generations Before it.
At What Age Should you buy your child a smartphone?
Are screens a blessing or a curse?
3 parental Control Principles to live by from a Pastor
Hybrid Ministry's Recommended Smartphone Age
And the best phone monitoring apps on the market.
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00:00 Are Screens a Blessing or a Curse?
05:17 Principle #1 Phone Apps
08:04 Principle #2 Addictive Screens
09:22 Principle #3 Moderation - Intersection of Influence
11:35 My Recommended Age to Give a Child a Phone
13:01 Top 3 Parental Control Apps
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TRANSCRIPT
00:00:00:01 - 00:00:29:09
Nick Clason
At what age should you buy your kids a cell phone? And in this episode, we're also going to look at our screens. A blessing or a curse? Three different parental controls that you can live by in your life as you navigate this technology and cell phone kind of landscape with your children. My recommended age to give your kids a phone and the best phone monitoring apps on the market.
00:00:29:11 - 00:00:57:14
Nick Clason
And don't forget the down below. We've included chapters in the bottom of this video so you can be able to jump around. But first, does anyone remember this? See, this was my childhood internet experience and I was born in 1989, barely even an 80s baby. And this was what my internet experience was. And we had to dial up to get on the internet.
00:00:57:15 - 00:01:21:28
Nick Clason
I would spend my summer afternoons on Aim, chatting with all of my friends. But if my mom wanted to use the phone, she would pick up the phone and it would kick me off of AOL Instant Messenger. Compare that to today, where the internet is in our pocket, our TVs are connected to the internet, and we can watch and browse anything we want on there in our living room.
00:01:21:28 - 00:01:58:22
Nick Clason
And the answer to every single question is literally at our fingertips. It's a blessing paired with a curse. Technology and phones are the common answer when you ask, what's the difference between Generation Alpha and Generation Z or generation Y? Millennials or Gen X, like the common difference is technology and phones. And so it will mark generation alpha as the key indicator and the key difference to their generation.
00:01:58:22 - 00:02:28:22
Nick Clason
And all the other generations that have gone before it. Generation Alpha started and was born and is widely held to be classified as being born in 2010. 2010 is the year that the iPad was invented. It was the year that Instagram was also invented, and it was when app was the word of the year. So those things just simply underscore how marked by technology and screens.
00:02:28:22 - 00:02:59:16
Nick Clason
Generation Alpha is. So I believe that navigating technology is going to be either the key to success or the key to the failure of those in Generation Alpha. So in many ways, the verdict is still out. Our screens good, our screens bad. Is technology helpful? Are they here for the greater good or are they inherently evil and are the causes of them?
00:02:59:19 - 00:03:23:05
Nick Clason
What's causing Gen Alpha to be doomed? You know, we've been discussing in this playlist link right here the the characteristics and the stereotypes of Generation Alpha. Who are they and and how do we teach them? And in today's episode, we're exploring the world of screens. I want you to check out this quote from E.F. Shoemaker who said this about the invention.
00:03:23:08 - 00:03:44:01
Nick Clason
It's either the greatest blessing or it's the greatest curse of modern times. And sometimes we forget which it is. Go ahead and give me a like if you think that that quote is about the internet, and then give me a subscribe. If you think that that quote is about the printing press. And if you give me a like and if you thought it was about the internet, you're wrong.
00:03:44:01 - 00:04:13:22
Nick Clason
So now you also owe me a subscribe because this quote, believe it or not, was about the printing press in the book, Generation Alpha by Mccrindle and fell. They have a quote that says this. It says no doubt. Very few people today worry about the negative impacts of the printing press. And over time, we will see today's digital equivalent of the printing press, overwhelmingly used to promote human flourishing as well.
00:04:13:25 - 00:04:41:11
Nick Clason
You got to remember that tech in the internet and cell phones, we are in its infancy, and Generation Alpha is truly one of the first generations, the the first generation to be born with and use tech from the age that they were born like they were. They grew up with screens and with cell phones and those things in their hands and in their possession and widely available to them.
00:04:41:11 - 00:05:08:22
Nick Clason
So the jury is still out. And in a lot of ways, we as parents, we don't even know some of the implications or some of the the downfalls or evils that could be caused by some of this, integration and use of technology. So let's look at this from a parenting perspective. What are three parental control principles when using phones, tech, the internet, and technology to live by?
00:05:08:23 - 00:05:31:07
Nick Clason
Well let's check it out. So parental control principle number one is parent your child. Don't let your device parent your child. I hear this a lot. I'm a youth pastor. I've been youth ministry for over 13 years. And, a lot of the questions I get about technology and cell phones and internet and usage is what is the best app for my kids and a lot.
00:05:31:08 - 00:05:57:02
Nick Clason
And you got to kind of what I try to uncover with that question is, are you hoping that the app will parent your child and keep them away from all of the dangers of the internet? Because if you are, there is no such thing. Every app has a workaround, every device has a way for a kid to get through every firewall like they there's, way around everything.
00:05:57:02 - 00:06:22:00
Nick Clason
And if they want to sin or if they want to be curious, they will find a way. And so one of the recommendations that I make for parents is use the parental control apps. And we'll get to those in just a minute. But but beyond that create moments, natural moments of conversation. And so I have two children. I have an eight year old and I have a six year old, and they are squarely in Gen Alpha.
00:06:22:00 - 00:06:43:23
Nick Clason
They don't have phones yet. but they do use technology. We have a Nintendo Switch. They watch YouTube on our our smart TV. But I try to create natural moments of conversation. and so every single Friday morning, I take them out to breakfast or to lunch and, I take them out individually and I just, I invest time in them.
00:06:44:01 - 00:07:05:21
Nick Clason
And sometimes it's really meaningful and really monumental, and other times it's just goofy and silly and we're just kind of doing the thing. Okay. But the reason I do that is because there are going to be moments where we need to have some tough conversations down the road, and I don't want, a tough conversation to just have to happen.
00:07:05:21 - 00:07:29:28
Nick Clason
And I, I pull one of my kids aside and I'm like, all right, let's talk. Let's have a tough conversation. I want there to be a natural rhythm and a natural momentum of conversation. And so they know every single Friday that we're going to go to breakfast, we're going to go to lunch. And so when that tough conversation does have to come, I can just weave that into a Friday morning or a Friday afternoon time, time period.
00:07:29:28 - 00:07:49:26
Nick Clason
And it's not out of the norm for them. It's a regular rhythm of relationship and a regular rhythm of connection. And so find ways as parents, to naturally parent your child. Have those conversations about cell phones. Don't just stick a parent monitoring app on there and hope that that does the job. If you are, they're going to find a way around it.
00:07:49:26 - 00:08:19:23
Nick Clason
Instead, get in there, have those conversations, and keep that door of communication open. The second parent, control principle to live by a fight for your children to have real experiences. You know, the amygdala is like the the fight or flight section of the brain, you know, and that amygdala, the ability to to navigate and handle tough moments in life, grows best through real experiences.
00:08:19:25 - 00:08:42:26
Nick Clason
According to, screen smart. they say that video games, social media and pornography are all the same levels of addictive screens. And so if you've ever had a kid playing a video game and you just can't get them off of it and they don't seem like themselves, it's because what that, game is doing to their brains, it has the same effect that social media has.
00:08:42:26 - 00:09:14:23
Nick Clason
It has the same effect that pornography has on their brain. And so in order to free them from that, in order to give them the the real experience is to grow in their amygdala. You have to fight to give them the most opportunity for real experiences. So hear me obviously, on the Hybrid Ministry show, I'm not against tech and I'm not against phones, but as a parent, the more that you can give your children those real experiences is going to help benefit them and give them opportunities to grow.
00:09:14:25 - 00:09:38:14
Nick Clason
And the third parenting principle to live by simply this is just do your best to live in moderation. Too much of one thing is obviously not a great thing, but but too little and and completely shutting it down is also not necessarily a great thing. Look at this. look at this chart here on screen. If you're watching on YouTube.
00:09:38:14 - 00:10:00:07
Nick Clason
This comes from one of my favorite books called It's Just a Phase, written by the rethink Group. But I love this graph because you'll see that you have positional influence as a parent, at a younger age, and you have relational influence and at a younger age, positional influence is everything you have with your children. You are their caretaker and your relational influence is really small.
00:10:00:10 - 00:10:21:17
Nick Clason
But right here in the middle. And this is where generation Alpha is, this is where middle schoolers is. This is where all your elementary schools are. Your positional influence begins to decrease. They need you less and less. And that's ultimately the goal of parenting. And then your relational influence should continue to be growing, which is why I recommend keep the conversation walls open.
00:10:21:24 - 00:10:44:02
Nick Clason
Keep the conversations going so that when you hit this moment of intersection of influence, it's not weird for you to kind of switch roles. And it's not weird for you, and it's not weird for your children. And so in the same way as your children grow older, you're obviously going to trust them with more, including technology and including cell phones.
00:10:44:04 - 00:11:05:26
Nick Clason
And you need to build into that. You need to grow into that relational influence, because if you just your kid turned 16, your kid turns 13, your kid turns whatever age that you deem that a cell phone is good, is viable, is ready, and you just drop it in their lap without having the relational influence, it could be disastrous.
00:11:05:29 - 00:11:27:11
Nick Clason
So continue to build into that. And as you continue to build into that, look for moments, look for markers, look for ways to determine if your child is ready. And as they get more mature, as you grow in your relational influence and drop that positional influence, it may then be time for you to consider giving your child a cell phone.
00:11:27:14 - 00:11:51:06
Nick Clason
So what is my recommended age for giving your kid a cell phone? I mean, truly, as long as you can hold it off and get I get it right. Like, you may be listening to this and you're like, dude, you don't know you have an eight year old and a six year old. And you're right, like I, I would love to not give my kids a cell phone until they're 18 years old, but I don't know if that's realistic.
00:11:51:07 - 00:12:15:19
Nick Clason
Right. I would just say you do what's best for you and your family, do what makes the most sense for you and your context and in your family, but hold off giving your kids a phone as long as you can. especially social media like my recommendation. What I want to try to do is I want to keep my kids away from, algorithms and social media and addictive type things like that.
00:12:15:19 - 00:12:38:18
Nick Clason
As long as I can, potentially even to the age of 18. and then cell phones, maybe 14, maybe 16 without social media, maybe just texting, maybe just calling. It might be different if you have kids in sports and and they need phones to, to get Ahold of you. But the only thing I'll say about that is I lived all my childhood, go into sports without ever having a phone.
00:12:38:23 - 00:12:59:13
Nick Clason
And so we have become accustomed to the luxury that it offers us now. But there was a time in our day and age when it didn't have to happen, and now it feels like it does absolutely have to happen. And so, like I said at the beginning of the video, these are going to be my top three apps with different protections for smartphone.
00:12:59:15 - 00:13:16:14
Nick Clason
And I'm so glad that you're here checking it out, because those are going to be included in the very next video, which is linked right here on screen. So go ahead and give that video a tap. If you're watching this in live time, that will drop next Thursday. So make sure that you are subscribed so that you don't miss it.
00:13:16:14 - 00:13:31:06
Nick Clason
If you're watching this on repeat, that'll be right here on screen. Watch these videos. And don't forget we are here to make digital discipleship easy, possible, and accessible. So as always, don't forget to stay hybrid.
14 min
September 05, 2024 Episode 113: Teaching iPad Kids with Brainrot - Gen Alpha Unlocked
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WHAT IS BRAINROT?!
How do we teach a generation sucked down the "Brainrot" wormhole?
What are the unique social challenges facing Gen Alpha?
And what is the ONE KEY to getting through to this Generation as a teacher, pastor or educator?
Finally, we'll explore the difference between traditional teaching models and more modern approaches to learning.
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00:00 What is Brainrot?
01:30 Social Challenges Facing Gen Alpha
05:13 5 Keys to Actively Listening
07:42 Traditional vs. Modern Teaching Methods
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00:00:00:00 - 00:00:01:03
Nick Clason
In this episode,
00:00:01:08 - 00:00:06:17
Nick Clason
we're going to explore the different social challenges facing the iPad generation
00:00:06:17 - 00:00:14:08
Nick Clason
known as Generation Alpha. I'm also going to share with you the one key to getting through to this generation. And finally
00:00:14:08 - 00:00:18:16
Nick Clason
was what are the traditional teaching models versus modern methods of teaching? But
00:00:18:16 - 00:00:20:07
Nick Clason
first, what in the world
00:00:20:07 - 00:00:27:16
Nick Clason
is brain rot? I went to the world's foremost authority, which is Reddit, and you know that with this person, this user is, Sakai said.
00:00:27:16 - 00:00:29:18
Nick Clason
Brain rot is the idea that exposure to
00:00:29:18 - 00:00:33:00
Nick Clason
certain content can basically turn you into an idiot.
00:00:33:00 - 00:00:55:08
Nick Clason
Have you heard? Have you heard the term brain rot? Give me a like if you have and give me a subscribe if you haven't, because you probably need to hear some of this stuff. But according to Mccrindle and fell in the book that I am reading for some of this research on Generation Alpha, they said Gen Alpha seamlessly integrates technology and screens into their lives, and they can't imagine a world without it.
00:00:55:10 - 00:01:03:21
Nick Clason
Furthermore, they said Generation Alpha is using Texians before they could talk, and so we have yet to see the full impacts of their interactions with
00:01:03:21 - 00:01:08:23
Nick Clason
screens, which is why I believe some people say that Generation Alpha is doomed.
00:01:08:23 - 00:01:11:15
Nick Clason
They consume more and more content
00:01:11:15 - 00:01:18:24
Nick Clason
online. That is just silly and dumb and stupid. And I think that's where some people go ahead and dub it and classify it as brain rotten.
00:01:18:24 - 00:01:23:05
Nick Clason
So how can we as parents and educators, pastors and teachers who love them? How can we
00:01:23:05 - 00:01:30:24
Nick Clason
pull them up out of it? Well, to make matters worse, beyond just this brain rot thing, there are some social challenges that
00:01:30:24 - 00:01:40:05
Nick Clason
Generation Alpha is facing on a regular basis, according to parents. The top five things that Generation Alpha is facing is bullying.
00:01:40:08 - 00:02:02:22
Nick Clason
Online bullying through social networks, navigating their own mental wellbeing, social pressure to be a high achiever and then the pressure to grow up faster. The list is the same with educators, but it's in a little bit of a different order with a little bit of different percentages. Educators would say the number one thing that Generation Alpha is facing is online bullying through social networks, the pressure to grow up faster.
00:02:02:23 - 00:02:10:26
Nick Clason
Social pressure to be a high achiever, navigating their own mental wellbeing and then navigating loneliness and social isolation.
00:02:10:26 - 00:02:27:23
Nick Clason
Tony George, who's the headmaster at The King's School, says this is never before have we been so connected and yet so lonely at the same time. And so to be human is to be relational. Yet social media has now come to amplify the worst of humility the anti-social.
00:02:27:27 - 00:02:48:12
Nick Clason
Technology amplifies wellbeing issues like bullying, and we have to deal with that. Other issues facing Generation Alpha that are social challenges are things that we just have to be aware of and come to grips with. Up aging. We talked about up in the last video, which is linked right here. When we explored and introduced Generation Alpha for the first time.
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Nick Clason
Another thing that kind of comes to the forefront, especially with
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Nick Clason
education, is just sitting still. This
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Nick Clason
generation is finding it harder and harder to stay still. And so in a traditional classroom setting, how do you manage something like that?
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Nick Clason
You know my own context in student ministry.
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Nick Clason
One of the things that I do to sort of overcome the sitting still conundrum is we try to integrate, turn and talks where I'll teach for a little bit, and then I'll let them turn and have an opportunity to talk.
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Nick Clason
I use this
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Nick Clason
feature on demand side gig presentation model that has different poll features so that they can use their phone. They can seamlessly,
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Nick Clason
as we said earlier, seamlessly integrate into the technology that's in front of them
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Nick Clason
and try to create moments of interaction amongst them, amongst myself as the communicator and the presenter. I try to break up my teaching methods so that I'm not like teaching for like a half an hour straight, but I'll teach for a little bit, and then we'll put a break in the middle and do some other stuff, and I'll teach
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Nick Clason
a little bit more.
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Nick Clason
We also like to put paper down on the tables that they're sitting at, so that they can doodle
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Nick Clason
on it, or even just take notes to keep paying attention to what's going on in the
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Nick Clason
room. Other things that they face online bullying,
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Nick Clason
children, developing with technology is another thing that they face. Like, for example, kids who say, hey, Alexa, play like that's just a normal part of their vernacular, and we don't know what the implications are yet
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Nick Clason
for kids who have been raised with this as a normal fabric and part of their life.
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Nick Clason
I know
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Nick Clason
I installed my very first Alexa when my, now eight year old, who is in Generation Alpha, was a baby, and so he's only ever had an Alexa device in his house.
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Nick Clason
And YouTube is becoming the preferred source and piece of entertainment with Generation Alpha, with, people like PewDiePie. Dude. Perfect. MrBeast, Ryan's World, and the odd is out.
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Nick Clason
And
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Nick Clason
finally, how do we keep these kids safe? Parents especially are concerned about safety of Generation Alpha, especially with
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Nick Clason
the rise of shows like Murder Next Door. And so how do we keep our children and Generation Alpha safe? Well, I'm glad that you asked,
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Nick Clason
because I now do think that with those social challenges sort of in view, how do we with those social challenges with the idea of brain rot, what is the key to getting through to this generation?
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Nick Clason
Let's check it out. one of the keys, I believe, to getting through to Generation Alpha is to be an active listener.
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Nick Clason
Once again, from the book Generation Alphabet. Mccrindle and Phil, they give kind of five steps to active listening. And I want to share them with you because I thought that they're fantastic because we all the generation Alpha was grown up with, cell phones and technology.
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Nick Clason
We all are victims to the cell phone, world. And we all are victims to screens. And so they're keys to kind of this active listening is, number one
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Nick Clason
to squarely face the listener. When
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Nick Clason
you squarely face the listener, you
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Nick Clason
can demonstrate full attention and interest.
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Nick Clason
Number two, open body language. So
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Nick Clason
put down your screen, uncross your arms.
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Nick Clason
And that indicates and communicates interest and attention.
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Nick Clason
If you lean forward, lean towards them. Then that will help give
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Nick Clason
the speaker, the idea that you are interested as opposed to leaning back, which, kind of helps demonstrate that you may be less interested in what they have to say.
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Nick Clason
Finally, eye contact offer focus on the speaker, and we look them squarely
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Nick Clason
in the eye and give them our full attention.
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Nick Clason
That also communicates that they have value and that what they say matters and is interesting. And then finally
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Nick Clason
give responsive gestures like nods and ahas and other affirming feedback. The speaker will share more as we, as a listener, display our empathy and our ability to engage with them. Now, here's the thing. You all know that you've all heard that that's just the key to active listening.
00:06:46:25 - 00:07:17:16
Nick Clason
But with screens as a hurdle in a lot of our lives, we need to practice putting those things down and practice active listening with Generation Alpha. And I believe that we will help them get off of their devices if we can show them and share with them a way to interact as human beings. 2018 The National Institute of Health reported that children who spend more than two hours on screens demonstrated lower language and thinking skills,
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Nick Clason
and so it's important that we all help model four generation Alpha, who's grown up with screens, who's only ever known a model for them, what it's like to have healthy relationship with other human beings, and also how to get
00:07:30:19 - 00:07:59:12
Nick Clason
away from screens and really experience and unlock the fullness of life. So if we're teachers, pastors, educators, I'm a youth pastor. Like, how do we teach Generation Alpha more than 4 in 5, but 83% or more in seven and ten? About 71% of educators believe that schools today are doing much better at engaging students with their very different learning styles,
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Nick Clason
but teach students today are experiencing a teacher facilitated, interactive, learning centric environment, and classroom layouts are now designed to help sort of reflect this.
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Nick Clason
And so what are some of the keys and the differences between traditional teaching models and and more? classic and now new like learning styles. It's kind of like the difference between self-directed and some of the individualized styles of learning. And so unlike a traditional classroom setting, you may be more verbal and just talk more, but I think a more modern style of learning for Generation Alpha is they're more visual.
00:08:40:06 - 00:08:43:00
Nick Clason
So how can you bring about visual aid? How can you bring about
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Nick Clason
object lessons and things that are going to allow them to see it with their eyes and let that come to life in a little bit of a different way? Traditional
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Nick Clason
models might be, hey, sit and be quiet and listen. But now more modern methods of learning are try it and see.
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Nick Clason
And, you know, I think that's a challenge for a lot of us in churches and in student ministry, because how do we help kids try and see what is there in the Bible? You know, last week I tried something. It was an experiment. I don't even know if I liked it yet or not, but I had students look up verses to help me describe the character of God.
00:09:19:02 - 00:09:20:07
Nick Clason
And then when they looked them
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Nick Clason
up, they told them to me. And from the stage and from the platform, I had my TV or my my, computer, airplane, Bible gateway.com. And I looked at verse up live time and then it would show on the screen, and then everyone could read it together. That was just an example of me trying to let them kind of try to look up in the Bible for themselves and then see what they looked up and kind of add to the teaching method.
00:09:46:15 - 00:10:11:27
Nick Clason
Traditional. Other traditional methods of learning might be an authoritarian method of learning with the teacher who's in charge and who's the boss. But now more modern methods of learning are a participant per participatory right, letting generation Alpha actually participate in their learning and in the teaching style. Traditional models might be more curriculum centered, where now they're more learner
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Nick Clason
centric and trying to get through to them and give them, what they need in order to learn, traditional might
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Nick Clason
be more closed book exams, but we live in an open book world,
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Nick Clason
right?
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Nick Clason
You're never going to be faced to in a situation where you don't have access to find the answer to something, especially with a cell
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Nick Clason
phone in your pocket. So how do we as educators, as teachers, as pastors, how do we navigate that for
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Nick Clason
Generation Alpha in a way that makes sense?
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Nick Clason
Traditional would be books and paper. But now we have glass and we have devices.
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Nick Clason
We have cell phones. We have ways to look things up. Traditional would be theoretical thinking, but now there's more practical skills that need to be taught and conveyed and
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Nick Clason
and given to the next generation. As we said in the last episode, that several of the jobs that they're going to be taking are going to be different than than jobs that even exist now.
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Nick Clason
And finally, direct
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Nick Clason
instruction versus inquiry based learning. So,
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Nick Clason
so with all of this different kind of conflicting information, what do you think our approach to education as pastors and educators should be with Generation Alpha? What even further more should be should our approach with cell phones be should we embrace them and find a way to let generation Alpha use them, or should we push them away because they disrupt the traditional ways of teaching and educating?
00:11:44:14 - 00:12:01:12
Nick Clason
How do we navigate that? As youth pastors? How do we navigate that as parents? What do you do if you have a generation alpha kid, do you lean into a phone? Do you embrace it or do you hold off giving it to them? Well, I'm glad you asked because I want to explore that in the very next episode, which is linked right here on screen.
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Nick Clason
So feel free to tap that. And I would love to talk to you even more about my findings in that, don't forget that we are making digital discipleship easy, possible, and accessible. So as always, stay hybrid.
13 min
August 29, 2024 Episode 112: Is Generation Alpha Doomed?
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Is Generation Alpha doomed?
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Not to mention Covid-19 destroyed a lot of their educational impact, many can't read and are having a hard time with that, can this generation come back from all that?
Who is Gen Alpha, and how can educators, teachers and pastors make an impact on this generation?
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Is Generation Alpha Doomed?
01:42 The Birth Years of Current Generations
03:44 Who exactly is Generation Alpha?
06:29 Defining Characteristic #1
08:17 Defining Characteristic #2
09:22 Defining Characteristic #3
10:53 Defining Characteristic #4

11:46 Defining Characteristic #5
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✍️TRANSCRIPT
00:00:00:01 - 00:00:20:11
Nick Clason
Is Generation Alpha doomed? Check out this quote. It says youth today love luxury. They have bad manners. They have contempt for authority. No respect for older people. And they talk nonsense when they should be working. They contradict their parents. They talk too much in company that guzzle their food. They lay their eggs on the table and they tyrannized their elders.
00:00:20:16 - 00:00:41:00
Nick Clason
Now, if you think that this is talking about Generation Alpha, then give me a like. If you think it's like my generation Z. Go ahead and give me a subscribe. And if you think you know that this quote was within the last century, then you owe me a turning on the bell. Because in this episode and in this future playlist, we're going to be exploring the world of Gen Alpha.
00:00:41:00 - 00:01:08:03
Nick Clason
But would you be surprised to know that this is actually a quote from the Greek philosopher Socrates, who lived between 470 and 390 9BC yes, the fact that the next generation throws older generations off their scent is not an uncommon phenomenon in human history. I mean, just look at the fact that this quote came all the way back from Socrates.
00:01:08:03 - 00:01:37:10
Nick Clason
So we're going to be exploring Gen Alpha, and are they doomed? If you've been on YouTube or searching on social media, you've heard things like they are doomed, they're in trouble. What even is this generation? Who are these skinny, rich toilet kids like? What does any of this even mean? The fact of the matter is, like generations that are younger often throw off generations that are older, and the older you get, the harder it is to connect and have a bridge back to that younger generation.
00:01:37:16 - 00:01:58:14
Nick Clason
So in the world today, the current generations that we have living are our builders. And they were born in 1925 through 1945. They are the elders of are the oldest generation that's currently alive to this day. And then moving on, we have the boomers who are in some cases still in the workforce, but all beginning to start to phase out.
00:01:58:14 - 00:02:22:12
Nick Clason
And they were born in 1946 through 1964, and probably the oldest, in the workforce, majority is generation X, and they were born in 65 to 69. And then shout out to me and all my other fellow millennials, we were born in 1980 through 1994. Gen Z was then born in 95 through 2009 and then finally Gen Alpha.
00:02:22:15 - 00:02:42:10
Nick Clason
They are quantifying it at 2011 through 2024. And so I got the lion's share of this research from Mark Mccrindle and Ashley Fell's book. It'll be linked down below in the show notes. If you're interested in checking out, it's called Generation Alpha. Understanding our children and helping Them Thrive. So let's talk about some of the different things about Generation Alpha.
00:02:42:10 - 00:03:03:23
Nick Clason
So first and foremost, every generation since boomers spans of about 50, at least 15 years. Right. And they've used, labels to kind of, letters to label these different generations. And so there have been other attempts made, for example, like millennials, but when you use something like millennials, it actually creates a little bit of a vague birth range.
00:03:03:23 - 00:03:27:15
Nick Clason
And so while we are oftentimes called millennials, they're also just called Gen Y by a lot of sociology and researchers. And so then thus as we got to Gen Z, we started back over at the beginning alphabet. And that's how we get Generation Alpha. Some people have proposed to code generation Alpha. Corona owes due to the Covid 19 pandemic and the fact that they lived during that and in some cases were even born during that.
00:03:27:15 - 00:03:49:09
Nick Clason
But they, while Covid was a massive part of their upbringing, in their childhood, they will continue to be shaped by the next three to 5 to 10 years. And not just that singular moment, though it felt longer than a moment did it? Not of Covid 19. But the next question I want to kind of uncover and unpack is who exactly is Gen Alpha?
00:03:49:10 - 00:04:18:11
Nick Clason
You know, by December 2024, they are predicting that Generation Alpha will have a total of 2 billion globally, which will make them the largest generation in the history of the world. Technology and customization have shaped their childhood, and while Gen Z saw the rise of customization generation, alpha is going to begin to see the rise of personal ization.
00:04:18:13 - 00:04:47:20
Nick Clason
And so Covid 19 will likely transform how Generation Alpha has approached technology, education, work, face to face interaction, mental health, and the concept and topic of resilience. But while our oldies are moving up into the ages of eight through about 12 years of age, they're calling the phenomenon. And those students and those kids who are that age, they're calling it the phenomenon of up aging, which means that kids in the 8 to 12 range are actually growing up faster.
00:04:47:24 - 00:05:17:02
Nick Clason
They are maturing physically earlier than other previous generations. And so kids are getting older quicker. And that's what we're seeing, some of this, interaction of them on, on social media and on YouTube and, and acting and seeming a little bit more like adults. But also adolescence is being pushed back further. So they're aging up quicker, but adolescence is being pushed back further because adult, life often was characterized by things like marriage or as characterized by things like having children or getting a mortgage.
00:05:17:02 - 00:05:40:01
Nick Clason
But those things are now being pushed back. And this generation, they're predicting, will stay in education longer. They'll start their earnings later and they'll stay at home longer than was the case with some previous generations. And so we're seeing this phenomenon of them being ushered into being older earlier, but staying in adolescence. It's longer. It's an interesting phenomenon.
00:05:40:01 - 00:05:59:20
Nick Clason
And it creates and it's certainly unique and complex challenge for those of us who are in education or in, in, the church space. But I love this concept that generation Z saw the rise of customization, but Generation Alpha is now seeing the rise of personalization. Think about the algorithms and the, different eyes that are now out there.
00:05:59:20 - 00:06:21:22
Nick Clason
Like these are completely radical phenomenons and it completely changes and re formats the way that certainly boomers and certainly Gen X and all of us have approached education of certain, groups of people and mass education moments. And so I want to explore in the next section five characteristics of generation Alpha that are worth us paying attention to.
00:06:21:25 - 00:06:51:01
Nick Clason
And, how it then will shape the way that we educate and innovate and approach this generation. So characteristic number one is digital, right? They are not just I love the way that Barna put this. They're not just digital natives, they are not digital dependents. Right. So while Gen Z probably didn't get their first device until later elementary school generation Alpha has always had access to devices, even if it's not their own right.
00:06:51:01 - 00:07:17:23
Nick Clason
Like research has actually, noticed and noted a drastic uptick in screen and app based play among children. The US reported that in ages 18 through 12, they consume on average four hours and 44 minutes of screen time per day, but that average increases up to seven hours and 22 minutes. If a student is between the ages of 13 and 18 years old.
00:07:17:23 - 00:07:39:11
Nick Clason
So digital and apps and screen time, it's not going away. And so all of us in the education space and as parents, we have to figure out how do we navigate this as it's being inundated more and more and more and more? I mean, I just think about the phenomenon of Disney, you know, pre 2014. You go around, you do fast passes and you have to walk to different rides in the park and grab a fast pass ticket.
00:07:39:11 - 00:08:01:04
Nick Clason
And it would tell you when to return for your return ride time. But now every thing is mobile. And while that's convenient, certain critics of Disney have made a comment that you go to the park and you have to be glued and tied to your phone all day long, the only way to truly experience the park the best way, the most optimal way, is through digital.
00:08:01:04 - 00:08:32:21
Nick Clason
And while that's convenient, and certainly for a podcast like mine, which is the hybrid ministry show, it doesn't take into account the fact that sometimes we just want to be present. We want to be free and tethered away from our digital devices. Another characteristic, characteristic number two, is that they are a social generation. So although in-person social interaction may certainly be an area that needs work in Generation Alpha, kids today are more than any other generation X, extensively socially connected to and shaped by their peers.
00:08:32:21 - 00:08:57:08
Nick Clason
In the book Generation Alpha by Mccrindle and Fellow, it talks about the phenomenon of Ryan and Ryan's world and how kids these days are influenced by that. Like, for example, my kids because of Ryan, he tried one episode. I can't remember, he tried, seaweed. And my kids are like, we want to try seaweed. Never in their life have they ever even been interested or even knew that seaweed existed.
00:08:57:08 - 00:09:20:17
Nick Clason
But they tried it and they liked it. And we still buy it to this day for a snack. And so kids today are influenced by a network that is connected 24 over seven across social, geographical and demographic boundaries. But there's also a downside to this hyper connectivity, such as cyber bullying, and never actually being able to completely disconnect from these networks of relationships.
00:09:20:17 - 00:09:42:19
Nick Clason
Characteristic number three is that they're global. So because of the internet generation, alpha is actually the first truly global generation. I want to share with you the Oxford Dictionary word of the year to highlight how global this generation is. And as you as I read through it. And it'll be listed here on screen. If you're watching on YouTube, you will see just how, what is going on in each of these years.
00:09:42:20 - 00:10:01:29
Nick Clason
It'll be kind of a little bit, trip back down memory lane, especially if you're older and you're a millennial, like me or older. But in 2011, the word of the year by Oxford Dictionary was app. In 2012, it was cloud, 2013, it was a hashtag, followed by 2014, which was the selfie 2015. Look at this on screen.
00:10:01:29 - 00:10:24:27
Nick Clason
If you're watching, it's the face with tears of joy emoji. It's not even a word. It was literally an emoji. 2016 the word was post-truth. 2017 the word was fake news. 2018 the word was toxic. 2019 is climate energy. In 2020, there's a myriad of words Covid 19 lockdowns, social distancing, ISO, Black Lives Matter, cancel culture and superspreader.
00:10:25:03 - 00:10:52:09
Nick Clason
You take your pick of which word matter. But that right there just shows how global and how how much Generation Alpha has actually gone through. So when the only screen in the house think about this was the television. You and I, as parents, we could more easily monitor what our children consumed and watch. But now with a new digital generation with more access to online devices, parents are finding it harder and harder to shield children from the wider world.
00:10:52:12 - 00:11:23:04
Nick Clason
Characteristic number four is that they are mobile, right? The average, stay in one working job has shortened now to just about over three years. The gig economy, which is when organizations will use temporary hires, and independent workers, that gig economy mentality that begins to play a part in this new generation, the world economic Forum predicts that 65% of Generation Alpha will actually end up working entirely new jobs that don't even exist yet.
00:11:23:04 - 00:12:00:26
Nick Clason
They're incredibly mobile, and they're able to be to pivot and to move and be nimble and and kind of string together different opportunities. Far be it away from the way that we as older generations have, have taken it with pensions and retirements and all these types of things like that is becoming a more archaic way of working. And characteristic number five is this generation is incredibly visual, with stories and games have come to life for Generation Alpha students, are facilitated by things like technology and visual apps and videos and content in which they regularly engage with.
00:12:00:28 - 00:12:23:07
Nick Clason
Generation Alpha expects to consume information. YouTube is the second largest and most popular search engine in the world, but for Generation Alpha, YouTube is the number one search engine in the world. And so that idea of visual is just going to continue. But here's the good news if you're an youth minister, your for your education, or if you're in church ministry, you don't have to panic, right?
00:12:23:07 - 00:12:51:25
Nick Clason
Because the generations older than us that say Generation Alpha is doomed. We as educators and as people in youth ministry who often go before, have had generations before us freak out about different generations. You and I, we have the opportunity to stand in the gap and help bring these together. Right? All the way back to Socrates. generations have been freaking out about and looking ahead at the different generation and curious about and unsure of what's different.
00:12:51:25 - 00:13:18:05
Nick Clason
But these things, all of us are aware at the different and the shifting and the ever changing landscape of generations. You and I, as youth pastors, we're well aware of this at one level or another. So how do we, with this information, also make us more effective as educators, as teachers, as pastors in reaching and sharing the gospel with these students in our churches and in our youth ministries.
00:13:18:08 - 00:13:36:13
Nick Clason
You know, I actually have just the resources to help you out with that's linked right here on screen in the very next video. I'm glad that you asked, because I would love for you to take a look at that. And as always, don't forget we're making digital discipleship easy, possible, and accessible, especially for Generation Alpha. So stay hybrid.
14 min
August 22, 2024 Episode 111: Better Event Promotion: Without Promoting on Social
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We all want more people at our events, but how do we get more people at our events without promoting things to Social?
In this episode Nick and Erik, fellow youth pastor and youtuber, sit down to discuss better event promotion as a part 2
(Check out Part 1: erikyoutubechannel.com) of this super mashup episode exploring the value of outreach events and how to get the word out.
In this episode we'll explore a better more wholistic social media strategy for 2024 and beyond, as well as how to write better emails and create a culture of invite amongst students in your youth ministry.
Finally, we'll explore how to build out a social media and hybrid strategy for your 2024 youth ministry school year.
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 IDEA #1: Stop Promoting Events on Social Media
04:48 Two Types of Social Promotions
10:38 IDEA #2: Write Better Emails
14:00 IDEA #3: Create an Invite Culture
17:10 A Wholistic Hybrid Approach
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✍️TRANSCRIPT
00;00;00;00 - 00;00;24;21
Nick Clason
Well. Hey, everyone, welcome to the Hybrid Ministry Show. And in this episode we're going to talk about better event promotion as well as a holistic digital and social media approach for your church and your youth ministry. And this is actually part two. Part one is linked right here at the top of the screen over on another channel, because we're doing a massive mash up collab.
00;00;24;28 - 00;00;49;07
Nick Clason
And I am joined today by my friend Erik with the K Erik.
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Good morning bro. How you doing? Good to see you Nick. So excited to be on your channel. Love what you're doing bro. So so good.
Yeah, well if you weren't listening or privy to the conversation that we just clicked stop and now rerecord on, we talked through an entire, like, outreach strategy, right?
00;00;49;08 - 00;01;08;17
Nick Clason
Yeah, well if you weren't listening or privy to the conversation that we just clicked stop and now rerecord on, we talked through an entire, like, outreach strategy, right?
You gave out a bunch of games. You gave out a full run sheet on, like how to do a great outreach style event at your church. And one major piece, right? In all of that, in churches and in youth ministry is promotion. We want people to come to our event. It's natural. It's a human nature, you know what I mean?
00;01;08;20 - 00;01;31;07
Nick Clason
And so one of the ways that we're always trying to get people to come to our event is through social media. Yeah. Is that not a normal like strategies and a normal thought process? Erik, for the average American youth pastor.
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm totally I've totally used social media to promote events like for a long time. Yeah.
00;01;31;13 - 00;02;03;02
Nick Clason
And is it effective?
Erik w/a "k" Williams
I don't see a lot of likes on those posts. Yeah. And, I don't know, I'm not seeing, sharing and whatever. Yeah, I think I think it's just if, like if you look at in the past, a lot of my social media stuff for youth ministry, it tends to be mostly promotional. Okay. And watching your channel, one of the things I've learned is that's not a great idea because then it's just promotion.
00;02;03;02 - 00;02;25;00
Erik w/a "k" Williams
And it's not like, hey, because I looked at this, I'm going to get 20% off my next event, right? Right. It's just an announcement. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I am trying to steer youth pastors, church communicators away from, because if we're not careful, we're going to view social media as another announcement channel. And it's really not built for that.
00;02;25;00 - 00;02;46;06
Nick Clason
And if you treat it that way, it's not going to be incredibly successful. And so you should still get the word out and you can still use social media. But before you do, I want you to tweak and adjust your strategy on it. And so the first I have three ideas for better event promotion for your event, Erik, that we just talked through.
00;02;46;14 - 00;03;07;00
Nick Clason
The first one is don't post announcements announcing announcing it on social media. And what I mean by that in particular, because I'm going to get a little nuanced here, is I still think you can and should announce it, but don't just post your graphic that you cooked up on Canva or on Instagram Stories or wherever you cooked it up.
00;03;07;00 - 00;03;27;22
Nick Clason
Like, don't just post that because you will probably see as you see, as you said, two, three, six likes on it and likes aren't the only metric, you know, get the word across. Of course, like people will still see it. But you got to think about, our habits. Why do you, Erik, why do you get on social media?
00;03;27;24 - 00;03;48;25
Erik w/a "k" Williams
I want to be entertained, all right? I want to catch up with people, but I want to. I want to be entertained. That's. It's one of the things I love scrolling. Super. Particularly scrolling through videos. Right? Is I want it to be funny. Yeah, yeah. And, if you're watching this live, the month of August, your download youth ministry, I think it's like, God, an up or maybe silver and on up.
00;03;48;27 - 00;04;04;17
Nick Clason
I provided the mystery item for the members, and it was a let's go free e-book on how to crush your social media. And so one of the concepts in there, and if you know you're not a member or you missed the download perk, I'll drop a link in there. You can get it for just a few bucks, down below in the description.
00;04;04;17 - 00;04;27;05
Nick Clason
But one of the stats I included is that reels or short form vertical video TikTok style videos account for get this 90% of the internet's traffic. And so you're right, we get on social media to to be entertained or even to be inspired, maybe learn some stuff, but we don't get on there to catch up on our announcements, to catch up on what's the latest on our church.
00;04;27;05 - 00;04;52;20
Nick Clason
So stop posting static announcement graphics and start posting the types of content that people get on social media for i.e short form vertical based video. If you make it less than 60 seconds, you can post it on any of your social platforms including Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and even YouTube shorts. And so if you are going to post about an event, I would recommend two styles of posts.
00;04;52;20 - 00;05;13;29
Erik w/a "k" Williams
So there's one. It's like the cap cut meme. Have you seen this before? The different cap cut style memes? absolutely. Lovely. I'm not. I haven't really gotten into using them yet much. Yeah, but I love I love using that like the, the the one where the guy who is The Mandalorian, I forget his name. Yeah. where he's laughing.
00;05;13;29 - 00;05;32;05
Nick Clason
Yep. Like really hard with that other guy. Like, I love that meme where you, you can put stuff in the background, right? Because it's kind of green screen concept. so, so good. Yeah. So find a way to, to catch the wave of a trending kind of like cap cut meme. And if you don't know, ask one of your teenagers, they'll help you.
00;05;32;08 - 00;05;53;15
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Speaking of speaking of cap cut, like, That's something. Now I use Final Cut to do most of my video editing. Yep. But when I'm doing, stuff with my phone, like, I do, like, screen like words on the screen, all that stuff, I use cap cut all the time. So last year I decided to invest in paying for it's a yearly fee.
00;05;53;18 - 00;06;19;17
Erik w/a "k" Williams
I think it's like 75 bucks. Typically. They almost always have some sort of save a certain percentage off. So I paid 50 bucks last year. I just got a reminder that my subscriptions almost out. So they're giving me a 36%, 34, 36% off of the yearly yearly fee. So grab those, grab those discounts when you can. But for me, it's been a totally worth it expense because I use it all the time.
00;06;19;20 - 00;06;39;27
Nick Clason
Yeah. And and I don't pay for it. My youth, ministry, doesn't pay for it. So I'm still using the free version, and you can still get a lot out of of cap cut, even if you don't want to go that paid for out. So the other one, the other idea I have, and these are like on the rise right now with in churches and stuff, are the like, transition videos.
00;06;39;29 - 00;07;00;07
Nick Clason
and I don't know the other way to, to describe them, but essentially it starts with, a video like, a popular video of some sort. And the one I've seen a lot recently is the guy running away from, like, a bull in the streets. It must be like a running of the bulls thing in Spain or whatever, and he gets speared in the back and so on screen.
00;07;00;07 - 00;07;22;07
Nick Clason
You see, this guy just gets speared right in the back and just fly forward, and then it cuts out to your church or another church and some dude or girl getting, I guess, jumping or thrown into like the row of chairs. And then they like, you know, get up all, like, hurt and then turn around, look at the camera and they invite, you know, invite to church.
00;07;22;07 - 00;07;40;23
Nick Clason
And so there are, you know, a bunch of different ones of those. And I discovered there's so many more than I even thought, because I got on one of my accounts and I started just kind of creating a library of them, sharing them over to my church account. And the more I shared them, the more the algorithm kept feeding me those.
00;07;40;25 - 00;08;04;07
Nick Clason
And so now I've gone around with students and stuff and I'm like, hey, film this, walk into this chair or dive into these. These couches, or, you know, we'll spill one of the other ones. There's like a baby puking on screen and you see all the puke come out and then it like it dive the the milk dumps into the cup and you hear the little splash, and then someone takes a drink of it and it's like there's always free coffee at church.
00;08;04;07 - 00;08;27;02
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Something like that. Like, oh, so gross, so gross, but so funny. And, really, really popular right now. And so that's another way to invite someone to your event, but again, in a way that leans into what social media is built for and made for. Yeah, I love the one where somebody is running and jumping does like a cannonball into into, a pool.
00;08;27;08 - 00;08;53;03
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Yeah. And then the next scene is like sugar cube dropping into a cup and it's like, yeah, like much smaller. Yeah. They're just funny. And again, you can still get the word out, but with like a little tweak. Right, a little adjustment. Don't just post your cooked up Canva graphic but include faces on social media include entertainment and entertainment style elements on social media.
00;08;53;03 - 00;09;10;27
Nick Clason
So that's that's my first kind of point. Do you have anything else to add there before we I just say,
Erik w/a "k" Williams
you know, you just said it in to include faces like students love to see themselves. Yep. I think that's brilliant. The more you can get students in there instead of just you same face over and over, talking head kind of thing all the time.
00;09;10;29 - 00;09;27;21
Erik w/a "k" Williams
I think that's brilliant. I love that dude. Yeah. And in addition to my doing my book, I got one here on my channel as well. It's free. It's down. The show notes. It will lay out this whole, this whole thing. So if you haven't grabbed it yet, go check that out. My site. I just want to support that, by the way, because that's I've downloaded that.
00;09;27;21 - 00;09;54;18
Erik w/a "k" Williams
That's been super, super helpful to me. You give so much inside of that e-book, bro. I absolutely love it. Well I appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm sure help churches do better and get the word out that. What's up everyone Nicholas in here hopping into the middle of this episode to say that as I was ending it, I got this idea that I just wanted to give you my top six favorite transition videos and my top six favorite cap cut template.
00;09;54;18 - 00;10;14;10
Nick Clason
So if you hit up the link down below in the description and YouTube, it will give you a word document. it will just, the form will drop it into a drop box for download that word document, and it will give you six links to the Instagram videos, six links to the cap cut videos, as well as websites that you can use.
00;10;14;10 - 00;10;37;22
Nick Clason
Once you post those to either TikTok or to Instagram that you can download directly from that social channel, and then repost it without the tick tock or Instagram Reels watermark. out to Facebook or YouTube or wherever else you want to cross post things. I hope it's helpful to use these in your next event promotion. Without any further ado, back to the rest of them.
00;10;37;23 - 00;10;56;22
Nick Clason
So that's the whole goal of it. Yeah. Speaking. Getting better, getting the word out. write better emails. People like, if you're anything like me or any of the churches I've been in, we've done things like, you know, such and such church weekly student ministry update. And then in that, of course, you're like announcing your back to school event.
00;10;56;22 - 00;11;17;29
Nick Clason
You're announcing your costume party around Halloween time, you're announcing your Friendsgiving event. But nobody, who doesn't if they don't open the email, they don't read that content, they don't see it. And so it misses them. And so a new idea I had, and this is relevant because it just happened to me this week at our church, in our children's ministry.
00;11;18;02 - 00;11;39;00
Nick Clason
They were having an event I didn't know about. And the the subject is, you know, my church's kids ministry update, and I never read them. Guilty. All right, I work there. I'm a dad of kids in the ministry, but I never read them because I figure there's really nothing new in there. But there was something new, but I didn't open it.
00;11;39;02 - 00;11;54;09
Nick Clason
And you can look at it two ways. I'm I'm to blame or they're to blame. And most churches would be like, I'm to blame because they look back at open rates and they see that they're really low and they're like, well, you don't know what's going on because you don't open it. All of that is true. Guilty as charged.
00;11;54;12 - 00;12;30;06
Nick Clason
However, no, this most open rates, like a good open rate for like a business is like in the 20 to 30%. And so if you're a church, yeah, you're probably higher than that. But if you start putting some of what's going on, even in the subject of the email, even if people don't open it, then if their eyes ever glance through their inbox and they ignore your emails, but they still take a glance or a gander over at the subject, they'll at least be aware of what's going on in your in your youth ministry, and so you can prevent your outreach event to your parents and to any of the students who are subscribed to
00;12;30;06 - 00;12;51;22
Erik w/a "k" Williams
your email list with just better subjects and intake in inside of that when they open the email. Because, I mean, I've been guilty of this. I've seen I've been on emails from churches that it feels like I mean, you've got a template which I think is good to have a template. So you have to keep recreating something every single week.
00;12;51;24 - 00;13;15;06
Nick Clason
But it sometimes it can feel like I've seen all this information every single week. so I don't even bother opening. Yeah. Anything you could do to to kind of freshen inside of the email. Yeah. I mean, and you don't want to get clickbaity or sensational, right. But the more interesting your subject is, the the the more prone people are to open it.
00;13;15;09 - 00;13;33;08
Nick Clason
Keep in mind, too, that people want to people want to just like, social media. They want to interact with people. So if they're getting it from your ministry, like they they may be a bot in parent or student that wants to know what's going on in your ministry, but that's not enticing to them to correspond with the brand of your ministry.
00;13;33;11 - 00;13;52;19
Nick Clason
So send it from your name. Send it from your senior pastor's name. Like those types of things, you will see an uptick in engagement in that way. If it feels personal, like they're getting an email from a person as opposed to getting an email from an organization. So. Good. Yeah. the third thing, and I don't want to belabor it because we did we hit it in your episode.
00;13;52;19 - 00;14;15;24
Nick Clason
So go check that out. But really, I think the key to getting more people to your event, beyond just promoting it on social media, is really like creating a culture of invite, where students from your church will invite their friends to your church and you got to build that culture and over time it's going to take time. So if you're brand new, like just keep working it, keep working the soil, keep doing the thing.
00;14;15;27 - 00;14;36;05
Nick Clason
Create a safe space that your students know they can trust you. If they bring a friend to an event, you're not going to do something weird on them, and you got to do that a few times to prove it, to prove to your students that you're going to do that. But then eventually they'll start to realize that, like, oh, this is going to be a safe place and a safe event for me to bring my friend to.
00;14;36;07 - 00;14;57;26
Nick Clason
And they will start bringing students. And you know how it is like a word of mouth invite is so much more valuable than, static graphic that they scroll across on social media. Yeah, I think I think so. I mean, if you're if you run lame events, that word is going to get out to a. Right. So you want it's got to be a good event and that invite culture.
00;14;57;26 - 00;15;24;00
Erik w/a "k" Williams
I think is an interesting conversation. And I just want to say a real quick thing about it. Nick. Yeah, is I remember when I came to a church and, we had this annual event that had been happening for a long time, and, the high schoolers were coming because it's really, like, competitive. experience. So there was there was like, students were showing up no matter what.
00;15;24;03 - 00;15;58;19
Erik w/a "k" Williams
But the middle schoolers, we hardly had any middle schoolers that were showing up. And so we talked about that, like, why is that? But there wasn't a there wasn't a culture of invitation. So we at that, that meant we had to do groundwork within the youth ministry to go, okay, there's an importance for our students that come regularly to understand they they need to be inviting their friends, because this is an easy, open opportunity for them to be able to share their faith with their friends by letting somebody else kind of set the groundwork for it.
00;15;58;19 - 00;16;14;06
Erik w/a "k" Williams
They show up to something fun. Then they have this conversation, then in the car ride home or whatever. Hey, I know we had a lot of fun with some highlights, but but it was so fun. Were telling your parents whatever, but what was something that you heard the the youth pastor talk about this? What did you think about that.
00;16;14;09 - 00;16;39;09
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Yeah. And then having that conversation. So setting them up for success, if you will, rather than just show up and and do it and then don't ever talk about it again. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And that's, that's just going to take time. And if students are not bringing their friends to events, then maybe ask them why they're not and be prepared for the gut check of their honesty.
00;16;39;11 - 00;16;57;16
Nick Clason
yeah. But they'll be if they're honest with you. That is just absolutely good information that you have to, like, grab Ahold of, take to the bank, and then try and figure out what you need to do to create more of a culture of invite. So, so good. Well, here's the thing, Erik. Right. So like, we just we promoted this event.
00;16;57;16 - 00;17;20;20
Nick Clason
We did a few like fun Instagram Reels. We did a few different like, emails. And we got students inviting students. But my my recommendation is more than just like a blitz. Like a marketing blitz on your social media for your upcoming Back to School bash, your upcoming Halloween party, your upcoming fill in the blank whatever event. Like you should be doing this on a holistic strategy, you know?
00;17;20;20 - 00;17;40;09
Nick Clason
And in the book that I referenced earlier, I lay out a very detailed and very like high level strategy, like it's it's a high bar and it's often and it's like a full time job. But recently episode 106, I'll link it down below in the show notes. I scaled it back and that's what I also put in, like my doing my book as well.
00;17;40;09 - 00;18;08;03
Erik w/a "k" Williams
And I said, hey, listen, if you're just getting going like focus on three times a week and I think three times a week is much more attainable for youth pastors. And I would guess, and I love you to speak into this. Like, I would guess that most youth pastors can look around and see other social media accounts are doing well and want to do that, but are just thinking, bro, I don't have the time.
00;18;08;06 - 00;18;24;04
Nick Clason
And I would imagine that that's the boat that most youth pastors are and would. Would you agree with that or disagree with. Absolutely. I, I think of that for just myself. Like if I'm going, man, five days a week, I mean, there's so much to do. Three days a week feels a little more a little more comfortable. Yeah.
00;18;24;05 - 00;18;44;27
Erik w/a "k" Williams
I'm a big fan of like batch recording where you just I'm just going to take an hour on Monday and I'm going to record these three videos. Yeah. And then take the time. I mean, it does take time, right? But like some of those cap cup meme videos, that's not that's not much time at all. You're just kind of putting that information in and taking something that's already been used.
00;18;44;27 - 00;19;06;24
Erik w/a "k" Williams
And on the green screen you drop your information and like that's that's more simple. But I love I mean, dude, you're crushing it with how you do it with your youth ministry. I love like the, the, drafting videos and the seven seven questions to try to figure out what is it? I'm thinking of those those kind of things I think are so brilliant.
00;19;06;26 - 00;19;28;21
Erik w/a "k" Williams
It takes some time, but if you batch it, record it, do it all in one day, like I know on Instagram you can schedule videos to, to, to, to, yeah to go at specific times and dates and all that stuff. Yeah. So it takes time. But I think it's important and there has to be a, a belief in the value of it, for you to actually do it.
00;19;28;24 - 00;19;52;20
Erik w/a "k" Williams
You're not going to see the return on your investment overnight. Yeah. That's a, that's again another time. Just like the invite culture. It's going to take time to build your channel and students getting on it. Yeah. But you get those students involved with it both on screen and owning the the shooting of the videos and editing. Because there's you're going to find students that are that like to do that even if they're decent.
00;19;52;22 - 00;20;17;27
Nick Clason
Yeah. You can do some training with them. Yep. Give somebody some responsibility and go, hey, I want you to take on one of these a week or whatever. Yeah, that's on it. That's exactly right. And that's exactly what we've done. So I got it up and going all by myself. Proof of concept, sustainability, all these things. But now I've started recruiting other students, you know, and to your point, we just batch record.
00;20;17;27 - 00;20;37;00
Nick Clason
So anytime it's a Wednesday night we'll we have a four week strategy now. So one week we'll do those draft style videos. If you're watching here on YouTube you can see some examples. and we'll film as many of those as we can with as many students as we can. So I like to walk out of the night with anywhere from 4 to 6 of these different style of videos.
00;20;37;03 - 00;20;55;12
Nick Clason
Then the next week we'll do our seven question style video and same kind of concept as many students as we can. As many as we have time for will knock them out and, you know, get 4 to 6 in the hopper to edit later. we'll do the next week. I do like a man on the street style of walking out the microphone, interviewing kids or whatever.
00;20;55;12 - 00;21;10;29
Nick Clason
And so that's getting out of our room that we film in and more like on the streets. You can kind of see what our youth ministry looks like and everything. And then the last one is we'll just walk around, we'll do this. Those transition style invite videos. So hey, this week we'll do the one where the kids getting rammed by a ball.
00;21;10;29 - 00;21;29;23
Nick Clason
Next week we'll do the one with the the baby puking or whatever. And you do a few of those. You get. We got, last night, two nights ago, we got six of them, you know, in the hopper. And so. And I'm not doing that like, I got it set up. I got all the infrastructure built, but now I've handed it off to one of my students.
00;21;29;23 - 00;21;50;17
Erik w/a "k" Williams
And so he's doing it while I'm running the youth ministry program out playing basketball on the courts. And he's somewhere else in the building filming these these videos and that. Then the night he hands me the camera, I pop out the SD card and we're off. We're off to the races. And the good news in all of that, right, is that you can train up students and they want to help with.
00;21;50;17 - 00;22;09;18
Nick Clason
And when we look at it like the growing Young Study and Fuller Institute and all these things like keychain leadership is the key to sustained faith. So it shouldn't just be you as a youth pastor, like cooking all these things up, like bring about your leaders, bring about your volunteers, and and bring about your students, man. Like they want to help.
00;22;09;18 - 00;22;28;25
Erik w/a "k" Williams
So let an A side side bonus on that. You start handing some of the stuff off to students. They some of them are going to get like an excitement for doing that. And it could build into something even more. I had a student who I taught him how to do some PowerPoint stuff this like early on, and then I showed him how to shoot and edit video.
00;22;28;26 - 00;22;53;02
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Yeah, he went into marketing as a business. Yeah. Like all because he learned that stuff in youth group in middle school. Yeah. And the principles transferable beyond just social media, right. Like you might get kids are not interested in that, but they're interested in other things and isn't our job, as the apostle Paul puts it, to train the saints and equip them for works and acts of service.
00;22;53;02 - 00;23;10;21
Nick Clason
It's not our job to do all the works and acts of service. And so in the same vein, while social media feels like this maybe foreign kind of concept punch fear in the face just get started. And like I said, link down below. Episode 106. I'll detail an outline how to do all of that and just get those steps taken.
00;23;10;25 - 00;23;32;22
Nick Clason
Love it. Anything else? Erik, before we wrap this week up,
Erik w/a "k" Williams
I just say on the social media world, just just make a decision to do it. Like John, John Acuff is a guy I love to read and listen to. He talks about the hardest part about running is putting your shoes on. Once you put your shoes on, you're committed.
00;23;32;25 - 00;23;53;11
Erik w/a "k" Williams
Actually, when he's going to run in the morning, he puts his whole running outfit on the floor the night before. And then when you put your shoes on, that means you're going to actually run. So I'd say pick up your phone and, you know, sketch a few ideas and then go actually do it. Yeah. And then you start getting into a rhythm and it becomes a lot easier once you get into a rhythm of it.
00;23;53;18 - 00;24;12;06
Nick Clason
Yeah, that's 100% right. Well hey everyone, so glad that you made it all the way to the end. if you haven't, go check out part one. Erik's got a bunch of freebies there. And youth ministry, you're definitely going to want those. Those are premium level freebies. But until next time, and as always, stay hybrid. See you.
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August 15, 2024 Episode 110: Distractions During Youth Group: The Solution
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What in the world do we do about cellphone usage during youth group?!
It seems like it's getting worse and worse!
Well, Josh Boldman, of DYM (downloadyouthministry.com) is here to help reveal his thoughts, as well as a full-proof program to not only take care of the cell phone epidemic, but to unveil the future of youth ministry as we all know it!
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Intro - How your experience got you where you are now
04:15 Sidekick's Introduction into the Digital Realm of Youth Ministry
09:00 Sidekick's most user friendly features
13:50 What's next for Sidekick?
17:36 How Sidekick aids in showing up where students are
19:25 The Recipe to Engaging Students where they are
30:42 Final Thoughts on Hybrid Ministry
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✍️TRANSCRIPT
00:00:00:15 - 00:00:23:04
Nick Clason
What is up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Hybrid Ministry show. I, as always my host Nick Klassen. And I'm really excited. Today I got the one and only Josh Boldman who works at Diam now. He also has years of experience in youth ministry. And so we are going to interview Josh today. What's up everybody? I'm here with Josh Boldman. Josh how you doing this morning bro?
00:00:23:04 - 00:00:44:07
Josh Boldman
I am good man. How are you doing I'm great. I'm glad to have you on
Nick Clason
the long awaited Josh Boldman interview.
Josh Boldman
Most podcasts are still waiting. I just wanted to make it very clear.
Nick Clason
Oh man, I feel like I'm in an exclusive club. Yeah, or something.
Josh Boldman
So they just don't know. They don't know it yet, but they're still waiting.
00:00:44:07 - 00:01:10:12
Nick Clason
Yeah, they definitely are. But not me. Not us. Josh, like, tell the people, how did. Who are you and how did you get to where you are today?
Josh Boldman
Oh my gosh. Okay. That is it all started on a cold with. No. okay. So I have, right there. So I'll start with where I'm at. right now I am I am the team lead for co-leader, which is, a part of the download Youth Ministry family.
00:01:10:14 - 00:01:39:17
Josh Boldman
I also, run lead in the sidekick arena, which is our presentation software. We'll get to that. but that's only been for about the last year. before that, I spent, somewhere in the neighborhood of. Right at about 20 years in student ministry, as a youth pastor or youth minister or student pastor or student ministries director, or any of the other myriad ways that you can you can describe it.
00:01:39:19 - 00:02:03:18
Josh Boldman
but I did that. Gosh, from Florida, to Illinois, to, tiny, tiny little churches to big old churches to, single site to multi-site to we do youth ministry on Sunday morning to we do youth ministry on Wednesday nights like normal people do. all that, you know, so, you know, it's just kind of been all over the place.
00:02:03:24 - 00:02:27:24
Josh Boldman
Yeah. but for the last ten, I'll say ten. It's probably like six, but I'll say ten years. I pastor mother, with Dwight. Yeah. It's like, how many kids were there? The 400. I don't know, it was too many to count. but yeah. So I, I've been an author with Tim, putting resources like games and teaching content and countdowns and videos and stuff together for DYM.
00:02:27:27 - 00:02:47:11
Josh Boldman
And then about a year ago, they had somebody that was going on maternity leave and they're like, hey, you want to cover for that person? I was like, yeah, yeah, I do. And then I spent all 90 days of that maternity leave, trying to make it where there was literally no way they could let me go afterward.
00:02:47:11 - 00:03:08:12
Nick Clason
And it it worked nice.
Josh Boldman
Absolutely worked. I was it was dicey for about about 45 days. And then I was like, nah, I think I got I think, I think I got this. So she came back and I was not asked to pack up and leave. so that has worked out for everybody. Yeah. You didn't put her on the job either?
00:03:08:12 - 00:03:31:27
Josh Boldman
No, no, it's kind of great. Yeah. So, you know, it's been it's been a ride. this last year, co-leader has transitioned from a, a platform where you can plan ministry to a full blown annual curriculum. we've launched sidekick. sidekick, which is now in beta. we had Sidekick Legacy, which was a standalone app.
00:03:31:27 - 00:03:53:26
Josh Boldman
Now it's built in the browser. So you open it in Chrome and you can you can play. You know, play your presentation literally anywhere. we did that all with any I mean, it's like literally anything we could have done, we we decided we were like, hey, you know what? If we just take everything we ever want to do and we just jam it all into one calendar year, and we got this.
00:03:53:27 - 00:04:08:28
Nick Clason
Yeah, we got this guy now who's covering for this girl on maternity leave, and now we can. We had him go. So we're we need to get our money's worth out of him. That's there. Like, we have so many staff. We have so we have so many. And now, now we need to have them do things, so.
00:04:08:28 - 00:04:30:10
Nick Clason
Oh, man, I gotta say the like this, I don't there's no pitch. Like, no, like kickback. None of this. I love co-leader and I love sidekick. And, we, I made our church and I think I told you this, but we'll tell everyone I was like, I made our church by two computers so that we could run pro presenter.
00:04:30:10 - 00:04:52:19
Nick Clason
Because the musicians need the confidence monitor, like the not not what's on the screen mirror, but like what's coming. So like what? So that's valid.
Josh Boldman
So they don't practice is what you're telling me.
Nick Clason
Exactly. They're ill prepared. So I had to give them what they needed at the give the musicians you know, throw my bone. But I made them buy another computer and a like a black magic video switcher.
00:04:52:19 - 00:05:11:04
Josh Boldman
And we running everything else now. Yeah. Off of sidekick. And so, so, so what I'm hearing you say is because of the worship ministry, you guys have to rely on dark magic. Is that. What is that where he is? Oh, black. Matt. Oh, it's a black. It's a company that's different. Okay. All right. I mean, I wouldn't have been surprised either.
00:05:11:11 - 00:05:37:06
Nick Clason
Yeah, yeah, either way. But I love the like I love a lot of things about it. But my favorite part about it is the phone integration. Right. And, we played last week like a game like, multiple choice game. And they could literally play on their phones. And this was the first time I'd, I'd use that particular, like, setting there and sidekick, like the, the question with, with the quiz like type of.
00:05:37:08 - 00:06:02:05
Nick Clason
Yeah. Like what the correct answer. Yes. Yes. And I loved that. That was super fun. so talk to me just a little bit about, like, you know, you jump in. Were there rumblings and plans about sidekick being revamped or did you see some of like those opportunities and be like, this is what I see in youth ministry as a youth pastor, 20 plus years and now, yeah, I want to help kind of evolve it to the next stage, like give us that kind of background.
00:06:02:08 - 00:06:26:01
Josh Boldman
Yeah. So something that, I it's really funny because I don't know that many youth workers realize, although I feel like we should is that, software development takes billions of dollars and lots and lots of time. and so, so when I started at downloading Ministry, the plan had already been. We are revamping sidekick. I'm. You know, I'm just gonna peel back the curtain, you know?
00:06:26:01 - 00:06:50:24
Josh Boldman
You don't know. Yeah. Sorry. I took the original app. All right. Was written in a, in a programing environment that got depreciate. All right, so it is. It was built long, so it was built on something called chromium. and it it it is a like sidekick. Legacy is a work of art. Like it is a it was a game changer for me when I was in ministry.
00:06:50:24 - 00:07:14:13
Josh Boldman
The the spinning wheel boxes. Yeah. it was one of a kind. No one was. Oh, my gosh, nobody was doing it right. And then, what happened about two years ago, maybe three years ago now is chromium got depreciated. And we realized what that meant was there was now no way to update the legacy. I don't know at all, like, impossible, like literally impossible.
00:07:14:16 - 00:07:31:17
Josh Boldman
And and so it was like, okay, well, we can either rebuild a new one or we can take it in a different direction. And one of the really things that people that people hated was every time you open the legacy app, you have to sign in every single time you had to type in the password. It was a great time.
00:07:31:20 - 00:07:52:23
Josh Boldman
I got into trouble. One time I was in front of our, like our whole camp, like it was like a thousand kids, right? And sidekick was running, and then it crashed. And then they had to reopen it, and they're like, from the booth, they yell out, what's the password? No. And in front of 1000 students, I had to say a password into the microphone.
00:07:52:23 - 00:08:14:14
Josh Boldman
And here's the best part. You ready for this? It was the same password for everything. Like my my bank account and, all this stuff. So, like, so like, I immediately I started teaching, and then I get off stage and I'm like, I gotta change every password I mean, ever had. It was a nightmare. so we thought, okay, what is the best way to make this as portable as possible?
00:08:14:14 - 00:08:33:01
Josh Boldman
So we went with putting it in, in the browser. Yeah. which I'll be honest, I mean, it was basically like it was a trade off, right? It gave us a lot of, functionality as far as portability, as far as far as syncing. Yeah. but it there are trade offs, right? Like Google Chrome. both.
00:08:33:01 - 00:08:52:11
Josh Boldman
Google. Safari, Apple. you know, Firefox, they all have different rules about like window management. And so like you'll know like when you open sidekick and you go to present, you have to drag the window over to your other browser. Like that's not ideal right now. We that's why we have a video switcher now that's why. Right.
00:08:52:13 - 00:09:22:11
Josh Boldman
Yeah. That's why we that's why we as Christians rely on dark black magic. Black. It's that's what it is. and so, so, you know, so there are some trade offs for sure. For sure. But, but what we started realizing was, the, the pitch that we started telling people that when it, I think it really kind of clicked for people how how different was good is we would tell them, like, we would show them what we could do with, with voting, with spinning wheel, with, with pick me like the main ideas.
00:09:22:14 - 00:09:41:11
Josh Boldman
And I said, what's really cool is I can create this presentation. I can, immediately, as soon as I add an element to a slide, I can close the laptop, I can break it over my knee, I can set it on fire and throw it in the ocean. And then I can just go to church, open the computer, and it's it's there like it is there.
00:09:41:12 - 00:10:03:18
Josh Boldman
It does not miss a beat. you probably have to like on the computer at church, though, because yours is God's an ocean. Oh yeah. No no no no. Yeah. There's no recovering from it really at the point. Not sidekicks. Not that good yet. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah. but. Yeah. So so it's, Yeah, it's it's being able to sync and being able to to go remote.
00:10:03:25 - 00:10:28:19
Josh Boldman
That's awesome. But then when we started showing people, hey, all you have to do is the same thing you did to log in on your computer, do that on your phone. And what it does is it turns your phone into a remote for the exact same presentation that's running on your presentation computer. and I mean, just suddenly being able to when you're doing polls on your phone, you can see the results, before they're even shown on the screen.
00:10:28:22 - 00:10:57:09
Josh Boldman
you can go to next, go back. You can do slide notes. You can. I mean, it did really any of the functionality that's there except for editing on the computer. You can do that literally on your phone in real time because I don't know if you've ever I'm certainly you've never been in this situation where you have a sixth grader who is so well intentioned is like, I want to run the computer and you're like, yes, that is a that is a thing a sixth grader can do.
00:10:57:09 - 00:11:26:24
Josh Boldman
You can hit the spacebar. Yeah. And and then, and then they, and then they don't, they, they just don't hit the spacebar. And so like I would always use it as just like my, my phone was, I wasn't there. So I was running it, but it was my fallback. Like I was like, okay, that kid in the back, there was one time, I swear to you, right, at an unnamed church that I worked at for a while.
00:11:26:27 - 00:11:51:12
Josh Boldman
I remember once, so I would always try, so I was a student ministry director there, and so I always I would always try, like, I would. Yeah, I was either teaching or whatever, but I would always try to do anytime I wasn't teaching, I would try to do something else. So like anytime I wasn't teaching, I would be in the booth or the, you know, doing the game or, you know, but so there's one time I'm in the booth and, and the lyrics for the songs are not firing on time.
00:11:51:12 - 00:12:18:01
Josh Boldman
And I, so I'm like, leaning over and I'm looking. The kid is watching Star Wars the movie. Like, like an actual movie on his phone. Not a TikTok, not a YouTube. No. The two hour movie, two hour movie with subtitles. And he is holding his phone like screamed. Is it because the subtitles are so small? And I'm like, hey, I know, I know, you're looking at that because words are important.
00:12:18:03 - 00:12:38:25
Josh Boldman
However, everyone else in the room is looking up here because words are important. So maybe I don't know, I don't know, that's just jump up and just jump on that. That's a win right there. Yeah. So but being able to you know when you're on stage and things go wrong there are like a couple of options. And and one of them is to make the person in the booth feel really bad.
00:12:38:25 - 00:13:00:09
Nick Clason
And that is never the right option. Right. It's never to call attention to the person messed up. But we want to sometimes. Oh oh yes, yes, yes we do. But being able to just say, okay, I've got my phone here. Hey, Mr. Cube, don't worry, I'm just going to jump it like, yeah, was that was the game changer for me.
00:13:00:11 - 00:13:22:15
Josh Boldman
and so now we're just on this journey of trying to reach full parity between the legacy version and what is right now, the lovingly called the beta version of sidekick. until it until it has all the same features. yeah. But what we're finding is that is, like I said, the original The legacy is a work of art.
00:13:22:17 - 00:13:47:09
Josh Boldman
And, right now, we are working on boxes and that is in the browser proving to be a challenging. Yeah, it is, it's just, you know, it's one of those things like, you wouldn't think like even when we first, the first go around, we did, wheel and pick me. Right. Those were the first two things. And so with the wheel, you know, you think how this is, it's a spinning wheel.
00:13:47:10 - 00:14:04:24
Josh Boldman
Like there's no. Yeah, there's nothing complicated here. Oh, but there is, friend, because pixels are square. Yeah. I don't know if you knew that or not, but pixels was great. So when you try and rotate them around and center axis that's a. Yeah. It's just it's one of those things like, you know, you think you got it.
00:14:04:24 - 00:14:21:03
Josh Boldman
And then suddenly you're like, oh, that looks really bad. And so then it just it's like you have to go right back to the drawing board and, and so, so yeah. So right now we're working on boxes. It's, it's taking a little longer than we had hoped, but but you're working with square pixels now. So square pixels.
00:14:21:06 - 00:14:35:10
Josh Boldman
We know what we're doing. Yeah. Yes. Wouldn't it be funny if like, in the like when, when it was the wheel, we had a problem because it was squares. But then like we're like, alright, now we're going to move the boxes and like just the world, like was like, you know what we figured out round pixels are better.
00:14:35:12 - 00:14:57:21
Josh Boldman
And I was like, no, no. Yeah. But but yeah. So we're that. So we got boxes, in the pipeline. we're we, we here and I know anybody that knows sidekick already. Their first question that they have been asking is what about, survey says, which is our family feud builder. Right. And, that one is, it's coming.
00:14:57:21 - 00:15:19:27
Josh Boldman
It's like, but it's it is it all takes a yeah, it all takes time. And, so, best way anybody, anybody that, you know, can help me go to sidekick.TV. There's a link there where you can, you can submit ideas and requests and you can even vote on other people's. And and that always helps us know kind of what's next.
00:15:19:29 - 00:15:36:15
Josh Boldman
yeah. But yeah, we'll drop. That'll be. We're loving it, dude. I mean, and. Oh, I, I know the sound is starting to sound like a commercial and I apologize, but it's, it's it is. It's like it's just so fun is, when, when one of the most recent things we did was we connected everyone's dim accounts to the download youth ministry.
00:15:36:15 - 00:16:04:05
Josh Boldman
If you buy something, there, he just automatically shows up. And that is that was awesome. Sweet. Because, I mean, it used to be, I don't know. I mean, you you make games for GM that are video based, right. And and when you do that those those files are massive. Like, you know, I mean, it's not uncommon for a game to be three, four gigabytes, you know, but it's also 3 or 4GB of, you know, that's 20, 30 videos for the game.
00:16:04:05 - 00:16:21:05
Josh Boldman
And so then adding each of those in is kind of a nightmare. And so we figured out a way to do it is we do it on our end once and then it when you buy it, it just you can just it shows up in your library. You click on it and it's just in that is yeah, man, I'm telling you I will.
00:16:21:08 - 00:16:38:28
Josh Boldman
I never have to worry about losing a thumb drive ever again. Yeah, because I don't know if you know this or not, but I don't know where my thumb drive it is right now. I lost it in 1997. so. Sounds like there are some important things on there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Knows it was, I don't know, something.
00:16:38:28 - 00:17:04:23
Josh Boldman
Call it bitcoin. Bitcoin I don't remember. You could have been rich. You wouldn't even have to be here right now. Well I'll tell you what. Of all the things like all the things you're talking about, there's like, there's phone usage on both sides, right? So if you're presenting, you can use your phone as a remote, but if you're, you're, watching your in the audience, there are like integrations where there's like voting and games and all that stuff.
00:17:04:23 - 00:17:25:07
Nick Clason
Yeah. And, I think that's my favorite part. Like as a youth pastor now for, over ten years, like I've always been trying to figure out how to get ourselves in youth ministry. Like relevant to our students are, as opposed to, like, when they're at church, make them do something that's so completely foreign to like their current culture.
00:17:25:07 - 00:17:56:28
Nick Clason
Right? Like youth culture, like they're all messaging one another through their phones. They're all like consuming news articles and social media through their phones. And then we get to church and like the church I was at, like when I started the previous regime, no shade. but they had, like, phone lockers, like they would take kids cellphones and lock them and like, and what we're do, in my opinion, is like, okay, so we're, we're just trying to modify their behavior, but we haven't actually like change their true authentic like desire to like be here and listen.
00:17:56:28 - 00:18:19:26
Nick Clason
We just want them quieter for us. And like that we should just be better. Like, yeah. And so y'all start rolling out all this stuff on sidekick. And I'm like, here's the opportunity for us to use what is native to them in our environment and in a way that doesn't, like, break the bank anymore, because to get some of these features through other third party like platforms, we just don't have the money.
00:18:19:26 - 00:18:45:09
Nick Clason
As a youth pastor, you know what I'm saying? In your budget, whatever the case might be. So yeah, so that's my favorite part. And so I would love it if you would talk about not just necessarily like the sidekick integration, but what has been your experience and your unique perspective as a youth pastor with how what we've done in youth culture and how like we've then asked them to come to church culture and how they don't all they're like oil and water sometimes.
00:18:45:09 - 00:19:07:04
Nick Clason
Like, how are we? How can we reach students better and to find ourselves where they are, which is online, on phones, all those things.
Josh Boldman
I mean, okay, so you remember, man, even I mean, when I was growing up and especially early in my ministry, you know, it was always the, the thing was, you were always fighting against like, like travel sports, right?
00:19:07:04 - 00:19:30:07
Josh Boldman
Like that was like the, the, the bane of youth ministry existence was like, oh, we still are really, by the way. Oh, to be cool. Yeah. Oh, no doubt. But it was like, I don't know, there was like a point where I think we just we got tired of seeing no results from shame, shaming those kids. Like, it's like you want to play travel ball.
00:19:30:11 - 00:19:47:28
Josh Boldman
We'll play travel ball. Yeah. With the devil. You know, it's like that. Doesn't like it doesn't help anybody. When? When all we're doing is. Or like. Like, oh, you have a phone, go lock it up because it's, you know, it's like that, doesn't it? Yeah. What does that do? All that does is like when you're locking up a kid's phone.
00:19:48:05 - 00:20:10:09
Josh Boldman
I feel like the way that you can know that it's not working is as soon as the the time, like the lockdown is over, was the very first thing they do. They run to go get it. Yeah. Which means that it was, it was on their mind still. So it's not like you really saved you know them any, any trouble or any like you didn't gain anything by pulling it away, you know, because their attention is still stuck on it.
00:20:10:11 - 00:20:36:16
Josh Boldman
so really what I think, I think is we're seeing right now in youth ministry as a whole, in, in what we're trying to do, a sidekick is really we're trying to figure out ways to engage students, literally where they are. And so, I guess, have you, did you ever do camps where the rule was the kids couldn't even bring their phone to camp?
00:20:36:18 - 00:20:59:04
Nick Clason
I never did. No, I could have, right. But I never I always I've always run my own camp, so I make the rules. So. Yeah. And I've always been in churches or youth ministries where the goal is to bring kids who don't go to our church to camp. And like, I'm not going to get a kid and their family who's never met me, send their kid like hours away without a lifeline back to them.
00:20:59:04 - 00:21:24:10
Josh Boldman
Oh yeah. Kids. Oh, no. So I've never tried to fight that battle, but it was fake because we used to almost use that, like as an advertisement. We were like, come to camp where you get away from your phone and kids are like, I don't want to do that, you know? And so, like, there was a point where I think maybe 20 years ago, you probably could do it, but even now, it's not even just the kid, it's the parents that are like, I'm not sending my kid without their phone.
00:21:24:10 - 00:21:58:02
Josh Boldman
What's wrong with you? You know? Yeah. So, like, so what we decided to do with with sidekick is like, okay, what if instead of constantly harping on, he put your phone away or go lock it up or don't even bring it, or, you know, trying to make it seem like the phone itself was the enemy. What if we decided to say like, hey, we understand that that phone, it's an extension of you now like that just, I mean, and that, I mean, you know, I mean, I think you can get really, like, dystopian, you know, like, like Blade Runner type type vibes from, like, the phone is an extension of you, but but it is
00:21:58:03 - 00:22:21:24
Josh Boldman
mine is an extension of me like, I mean, I literally if I, I don't know when the last time I walked out of my house without my phone was like, it's not just because I didn't forget it, it's because if it's not in my pocket, it feels like I'm missing something. I feel like I know I'm missing it, and you're gonna need it, you know, like, oh, sure, it's your calendar, it's your wallet, it's your navigation, it's your everything.
00:22:21:24 - 00:22:49:12
Nick Clason
Like it. So you can't so much. That's my argument is like this. It's not going anywhere. So we can try our hardest as youth pastors and churches to fight against culture. But it's a losing battle eventually. And it's not like, oh, let's give in to culture because it's evil, right? No, no, no. It's how do we take this thing that is not moral, it's not morally right or morally wrong, but how do we take this thing and just use it as a tool?
00:22:49:12 - 00:23:07:12
Josh Boldman
It's it's a tool, 100% tool that we we would have died for 15, 20 years ago, like, oh yeah, I was talking on the last episode like we didn't have group chats 15 years ago. If you want to talk to your student, you talk to them when they came to your building and that was it. But now you can do pastoral care.
00:23:07:12 - 00:23:39:02
Nick Clason
You can, and just do a basic thing like texting. When I'm talking about something like software development right now. Yeah. So one of the things, that has been really cool to experiment with, and we've seen a couple people do this really well is is using like polls like, okay, so there's a there are different ways you can use it, but the like, so say as you're teaching, if, if you're saying something that you know is going to fly right over their heads, right?
00:23:39:05 - 00:24:11:11
Josh Boldman
Pausing literally at that moment and asking the question, hey, did you catch that? And yes or no, like literally something super simple like, did you catch that? Yes or no? And then adjusting what you say next based on their response or, we've even seen people take their entire services in like a, choose your own adventure type approach where, I mean, it is it seems minor, but it's something like, hey, we've got the worship team has two songs that they prepared, but we're only going to do one.
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Josh Boldman
Hey, you all, they're here. Yeah. Which one you want to do? You know, or, you know, I've, done a couple teaching times where, like, so, you know, every youth pastor has, like, their, like, bag of tricks, like the, the saw or the stories that they tell that it's like, okay, I can tell this story, like drop of a hat.
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Josh Boldman
Yeah. you know, and so, like, I, I'll start with, like, right at the beginning of a message will say, hey, guys, I can tell you one of, three stories. You know, when when I got hit by a car, one when I accidentally killed my girlfriend's cat and one when I, when I stubbed my toe, you know, and so, like, you take your pick, you know, and just let them pick, and it doesn't change anything about where that message is going, but letting them have a moment where they can speak into it.
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Josh Boldman
Like, I guarantee you, when the room picks the story, the room pays attention to the story more. Yeah. or or even at the end, you know, be a great way to, to really, especially if you're trying to reach students that are not familiar with church a lot, you know, like that aren't around a lot is, at the end of the message just saying, like, hey, on a scale of 1 to 5, how much do you agree with what you just heard?
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Josh Boldman
can you met and live in live results on the screen like, hey, okay, so but can you imagine how much that might change your small group conversations that are going to happen right after the lesson? If if you suddenly see, like, oh, we just talked about this and 80% of the room says, I don't agree, okay, great.
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Josh Boldman
Then let's go to our small groups and let's see this mess out. You know, or I think that there's, there's stuff like that or or you could even say if you're doing a series, you could, you could say, hey, here are the four weeks of the series. we did the intro this week. Which one you want to hear about next week and let them pick where you're going to go, and then you have a whole week to figure out how to get there.
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Josh Boldman
yeah. But it but I guarantee you, those students that voted are going to be more likely to be there if they know what you're talking about. And they actually helped get to to choose what that was going to be. Yeah, I think I think there's a lot there. And we're working love to say like we're working like it's like in development, right, right now.
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Josh Boldman
But it's like I mean, one of the things on the, on the docket is, is, you know, being able to have students from their seat ask questions, be able to give feedback, you know, in real time so that you, as you're standing there on the, you know, platform with your phone that you're able to see the questions as they come in.
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Josh Boldman
we're trying to figure out things like how to moderate those things because I don't know about you, but if you ask open ended questions and just have the answers up on the screen without, you might get some filtering. Yeah. Inappropriate answer, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, my the students that I've ever worked with are always saints and so they would not do that.
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Nick Clason
But I would imagine yours. Well you know it's crazy is like here's another like just interesting youth culture is like I was working at a church in Chicago and it was very like it, it prided itself on we reach people who are far from God. And so, you know, that's going to come with a certain like, oh, I student and now I'm in the Bible Belt in Dallas, Texas.
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Nick Clason
And, it's like it prides itself on being like the church for Christians almost. And like the kids, the students, they're the same, like it's oh, no doubt. Right. That's the crazy thing is what the internet has done is it's leveled that like playing field of like, yeah, certain cultures, their youth culture is very consistent now and despite the demographic.
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Nick Clason
And so the unique part is not our students. The unique part is helping our parents understand, that the students are still the same, you know, so, you know, something, we've seen is actually really cool that somebody was doing was they were using the live polls in their lobby for parents to answer as they were dropping their kids off.
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Josh Boldman
That's cool. And, it was yeah, it was very cool. Was like, and it was, you know, some like, minor stuff that it was like, you know, what time is your middle schoolers? Bedtime. Like, you know. Yeah. Seven, eight, nine, ten, 11. You know, just pick one, you know, stuff like that. And it was minor. But again, it's, not just that you get individuals to engage, but the fact that everybody can see the responses as it as it goes.
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Josh Boldman
There's, I think there's a lot of even still some untapped, untapped potential there. think about how to help people engage. Yeah. I think, we went to a conference a while back, and they're talking about the differences in generational ways of thinking. And like one of the things and I think this is true, despite like being an older, older generation of like all of us, but like Gen Z, Gen Alpha, like they're just looking to be known individually, like they don't want to be part of, like a sea of numbers.
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Nick Clason
Right. And so when you are in a bigger context and you have 100,000 kids, like it's hard to it's hard for them to, to stand out and stuff like this helps them get to just yeah, speak their, their voice. Right. And they get to play a role. And even if they're voting for something and their choice doesn't get picked like they were heard and that's oh yeah, that's all it needs to be.
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Nick Clason
It doesn't have to always go their way, you know? And there's probably some opportunity for them to learn some life lessons and stuff in there. But just like realizing like, hey, we're doing all this for you, but what what do you want? Like, that's I don't know. That's the key. So, Josh, as we wind this sucker down, like final thoughts.
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Nick Clason
Final words. What what what if anything's, like burning on your soul to get out there?
Josh Boldman
Oh, man. All right, well, here. I'm glad you asked, Nick. no. okay, here's the thing is. Yeah, I think we need to not be afraid of what our students want. And we need to not be afraid of them expressing their opinion.
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Josh Boldman
And we need to not be afraid of them disagreeing with each other or with us. I think that that is, you know, where where we are heading is a world that values, a diversity of opinion. And the value placed on each of those opinions, is crucial. And so, like, I mean, I think people really can very easily get confused into thinking that that means that every opinion is right or that every opinion carries the same weight.
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Josh Boldman
And it's a that's not at all what it but it. I think there is a I think we we do ourselves and honestly the gospel and miss service when we, are a disservice. I don't think Miss Service is a word, a disservice when we, when we say, here is the correct answer, we don't even want to hear anything else.
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Josh Boldman
because our students are coming into our, our, our environments with their own opinions and own presuppositions. And yes, they probably heard them all from the same TikTok channel. Like, that's fine, but they all still want it. They want to be heard. And so I think any time we can even begin to open the door to showing them that we value what they are walking in with, I think just builds, it builds credibility in their eyes.
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Josh Boldman
I think in all honesty, I don't know, you know, I would argue that most students are they do not often find themselves in environments where their opinion is valued. so, I mean, whether that's school, I mean, and please don't hear me, teachers are awesome, but it is it is tough when especially when you have like a curriculum in a, in a school environment, you're like, hey, I need you to learn this thing.
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Josh Boldman
Like, and there's not a lot of debate in biology, you know, like, it's just this is where we're at, you know? And so, but I think if we can create environments where it's, we're inviting students into a conversation where their voice matters, whether that's a, a deep theological conversation or whether that is a game that is literally, hey, I need you to pick A, B, or C because it's a trivia question.
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Josh Boldman
Like it's it like, but but still valuing what they bring to the table. I think that that pays dividends in the long run in a, in a massive, massive way. I mean, whether that's later in the small group or whether that's ten years later or, you know, I'm at a point right now where kids, when I first started that were in sixth grade, now have their own sixth graders, and that is awful.
00:32:57:03 - 00:33:14:19
Josh Boldman
but but it's the same thing is those those kids are now in the place where they're deciding, am I going to bring my own kid to a youth group or not? And, you know, and I think that the way we treat our students now will influence how they raise their own families and what that looks like for them in the future.
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Josh Boldman
So, never underestimate how important it is to for for a student's voice to be valued. Yeah. And what better spot in the world than for that to happen at church? Crazy, right? Who would've thought? Yeah, well, Josh, we're running out of time. But I appreciate you, man. Anywhere, anywhere else people can find, find the Josh Boldman, like.
00:33:34:19 - 00:34:00:20
Nick Clason
Oh, yeah, they want to, like, untap some of these other thoughts and deeper musings of the word is, oh, I don't know if deeper is going to be with the find, but, all the social media is, it's at Josh Boldman. I know, I'm so glad it wasn't taken. Yeah. You're lucky. all right, I know. Yeah. but then, again, you know, the download youth ministry store, you know, I mean, this is not to sell stuff, but like, a lot of the stuff I've written really does reflect where I'm at, you know?
00:34:00:20 - 00:34:09:15
Josh Boldman
And so, you know, check out any of that stuff there, but. Well, yeah. Love it. Man. Will appreciate you being on. And, everyone else, we'll talk next time. All right, bye friends.
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August 08, 2024 Episode 109: Don't be scared of Social Media with Nate Clason
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00:51 How did you end up as a youth pastor?
02:29 What was your original relationship with digital?
04:45 What would you say to a "regular" youth pastor?
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19:27 What in your context has been most effective?
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✍️TRANSCRIPT
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What is up everybody?
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Welcome back to another episode
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of the Hybrid Ministry Show
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I am your host, Nick Clason
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here with you as always
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and if you’ve been here the last couple of weeks
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you know that we’ve been doing some different interviews
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It is with my brother, Nate Clason
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Good morning, Nate, how you doing bro?
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I'm doing pretty good.
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Probably not better than
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your wife, though, right?
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Don't say that to
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in front of anyone.
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You know, True.
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Well, I’ve known you longer
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That is true.
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But not too much longer, so.
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That’s probably what I’m thinking
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when I say that
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Nate, give us all
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a little bit of background
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what’s been your church
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youth ministry, student ministry
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experience and story
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kinda get that conversation
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out of the way
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set a little bit of a baseline
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as we dive into this
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social media discussion
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Yeah.
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So I felt called
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to, ministry at a Mexico
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missions trip.
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when I was in high school,
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a late high school,
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and actually kind of fell off.
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my journey a little bit.
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my journey a little bit.
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Kind of started
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serving, working
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in, like,
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the public work, you know,
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the secular work environment
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and just kind of saw
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I wasn't called
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the ministry anymore
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and got connected
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one day at my custodian
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job at a school
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with, a pastor's wife
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who was subbing at the school.
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And I told her,
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we were talking about music,
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and she found out
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that I could play
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a little bit of guitar,
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and she asked if I could
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help with her church worship
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and got connected that way.
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And through that,
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got connected
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with a, leader
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in that denomination
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who eventually got me ordained
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and got me connected
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with other pastors.
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Eventually,
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where I became a youth pastor.
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And now I'm
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serving in a little bit
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of a bigger church
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in the Taylorville area
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as the associate pastor
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of student
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ministry and worship ministry.
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So it started
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with worship ministry
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and kind of
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evolved into youth.
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And I never kind of
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saw that coming,
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but praise
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God that he got me to kind of
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where I felt
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called to years ago, you know?
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So that's cool.
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Yeah, so
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the gateway drug
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to your youth ministry
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was worship
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Yeah
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That’s where you started
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as you can tell
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by the man bun.
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Right?
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Yeah
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Or something about that manbun
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We won’t talk about that
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But
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You started doing youth ministry
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When you jumped into
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youth ministry
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What at that point
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was your like understanding
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or your relationship
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with digital and social media
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and all that type of stuff?
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I've always kind of
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been, like.
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I've always been aware
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of social media.
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Never knew how important
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it was to student ministry.
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I didn't really,
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it was actually post Covid
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when I really.
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Well,
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in the middle of Covid
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that I started
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getting involved
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in student ministry.
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And,
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I didn't have
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too many platforms.
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And my first church
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was social media,
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mostly through Facebook.
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I had that's pretty
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much it for my first church.
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And I mostly connected
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with parents on that platform.
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and I realized
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that probably wasn't
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a strength.
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so here, though,
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I would say that I've,
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I've kind of adapted, adopted,
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Instagram, Facebook.
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I created a TikTok.
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And Nick,
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I know you're so passionate
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about YouTube,
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me and Jessica have been
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talking recently,
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my wife,
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about the idea
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of getting on YouTube here
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soon,
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just because I feel like
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that'd be a bigger,
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overall
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reach for our students
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to, to have us on YouTube.
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But I'm not super connect.
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I wasn't super connected
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initially to social media.
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I would say that.
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So what was the
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What would you say was
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the driving force
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or the catalyst
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to get you connected
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to some of those things?
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Like what was your “aha” moment?
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If there was one?
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well, I think seeing you,
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like, super
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passionate about it
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and watching your podcast
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really, honestly like,
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and your
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different videos and clips
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on like TikTok and stuff
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on like TikTok and stuff
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of how important
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social media is
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kind of drives me
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to make sure I have that.
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And like really,
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a lot of that
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is truly
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from like your passion for it.
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And I'm seeing other leaders
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saying, hey, you know, like,
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this is a new era.
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It's no longer like
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you're not going
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to meet in person
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as naturally and as, as,
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as often as you like.
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And there's going to be kids
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that don't make it every week.
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So it's like
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it's good for them
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to have
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some sort of
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avenue of seeing,
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some of the stuff
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that we're talking about,
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even if it's just like a recap
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or whatever,
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just to kind of give them
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a basis of
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what we're talking about. So.
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Yeah, no doubt
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I would agree
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But that feels obvious, maybe
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So tell people
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I think it was helpful
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Because you’re a guy
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Who is like
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What I would deem as
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like a lot of other youth pastors in America
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You’re just kinda like
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jumping from week to week
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program to program
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like making sure you got a game
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making sure you got a message
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making sure you got a small group
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making sure you got enough leaders
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making sure you got enough leaders
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like all the things
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all the like whirlwind
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elements of just being a youth pastor
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and then
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you got someone like me
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who’s telling you
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“you need to get on social media”
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“you need to get on social media”
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speak to somebody
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who’s in the space that you were
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a year, year and a half ago
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that’s like
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“Yeah that sounds awesome”
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“I would love to”
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“There’s no way I could ever do it!”
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“It’s too hard”
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“It’s too much”
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It’s too...
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Whatever. Fill in whatever
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blank of why it’s
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why it’s not
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gonna be achievable or possible
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talk to somebody who’s in that
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in that sorta space
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like you were not too long ago
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Yeah.
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Well, there is a way to
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connect all your
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social media platforms
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so that when you post on
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it, posts on all of them,
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I think that's
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a big part of it.
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And honestly,
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I don't even
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like for some things.
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Like for my pictures,
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it goes from Instagram
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to Facebook.
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They're connected.
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But for some reason
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whenever I do a reel or video,
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they're not.
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So I have to go in
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and do it myself.
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Somehow.
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I'll have to
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figure all that stuff out.
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But,
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that's a part of
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it is like,
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if you haven't connected in
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some way to the same email
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and to the same connection,
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like you can link it
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so that when you post on one,
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it goes to all of them.
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And honestly,
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like not
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everyone sees each platform
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and sometimes they do.
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And that's okay.
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But I think it's
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just so important to know
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that kids are on,
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students are on
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these platforms,
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and they're
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looking for inspiration,
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they're looking for hope,
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and it's our way
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to kind of minister to people
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through the social
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media platforms
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that God has
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really entrusted us
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with as youth pastors,
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if we're on them,
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to do
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the right things on their
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not just not just,
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and it's
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good to have fun things
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and different activities
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and different
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like kind of goofy
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things for kids to kind of,
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you know, be by.
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But it's also good to have,
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you know,
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content
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that could inspire
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and change lives.
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and I, I've seen,
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aspects of both,
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you know, so it's good.
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Yep.
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So like that’s like the big
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picture reason.
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Students are on it...
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We should be on there...
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helping redeem those moments
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I like to think about
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in the Bible
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the Apostle Paul was using like
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pen and paper
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and then like mail carriers
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to like get his message across
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today I would envision that
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He would be using something like digital
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Exactly.
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Pretty vigorously
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to get his message across
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So that’s the big picture, “why”
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Yeah, Yeah
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Students are there, It’s important
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Talk about like
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What it took from just like time management
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Talk about what it took from like
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platform understanding
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You, I feel like
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correct me if I’m wrong, but
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I feel like you had to
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get to know how to use
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a lot of these tools
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talk to someone who may be
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in the space
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“I want to- I don’t even know what
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to do. Or how to do it.”
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Or like what’s even
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possible
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Or what ever I should do.
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Like get real practical
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You know,
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I think
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it doesn't take as much time
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as you think.
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I mean, yes,
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creating the video.
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I mean, you never,
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I think, was like
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creating a short
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or like a reel.
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You never want to make a reel
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any longer than a minute
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or so like that.
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So you really
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it doesn't take that long
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to create that video.
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If you could do it in
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1 or 2 takes, like it's
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not a big deal with that.
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And then
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that's a big part of,
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what students look at.
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They don't watch
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like long videos.
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They're not going to watch
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a 20 minute video.
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But if you can keep it
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a minute, you know,
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that's more realistic
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for them to kind of,
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you know, dive into it
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and interact with it.
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and I think
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a lot of
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it is like interaction,
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like if you, you know,
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what did you learn from
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this video?
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You know, make comment in the
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in the comments, tell us who
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who won this in this game or
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and I don't think it's
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I don't think it's,
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it's as much it's not as time
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consuming as you think.
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It's I mean,
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some people are
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slower than others
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and some people
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are faster than others
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at getting stuff done.
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But once you kind of
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get the bearings
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and the grip
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on, on different
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like ways of doing things,
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and you're in
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kind of your groove on things,
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it becomes pretty natural
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and second nature
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and pretty fast stuff done.
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I do a kind of a good amount
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of social media stuff,
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with even both worship
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and youth a little bit.
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Not as much with worship,
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but some.
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And it's like
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it's really
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it doesn't take that much time
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to, to post stuff, I think.
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yeah, that's that's
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an encouraging thing
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to think about.
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It's like
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it's not going to take
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you forever
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to get a couple posts
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out, a day
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or maybe several week.
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I think it's good to have
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at least one a day or,
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you know, multiple a week.
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So you can kind of
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get keep interacting
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with your students.
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So I don't know,
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is that what kind of answering
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your question? Okay.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I mean there’s like...
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I can’t remember, exactly
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I’m trying to look it up right now
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But there’s a book, the concept
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is called like “1,000 Hours”
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Maybe it’s 100 hours
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I’ll put the link in the
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shownotes if you’re interested
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I’ll figure it out
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But the concept
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is like
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No one is gonna be good at anything
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until they spend
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some time on it.
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And so if you feel intimidated
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by something
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of course you’re gonna
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feel intimidated by something
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new. It’s new!
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That’s what new stuff does
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None of us are good
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at new stuff right away
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And I think it’s really telling
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to your point
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You were in that boat
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And you were like:
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“I don’t know”
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Just to shed a little bit of light
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When I was telling you
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you should
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dive into some of this stuff
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You were like:
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“I don’t know man...”
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“I don’t really do that type of st-”
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“I don’t really do TikTok”
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“I don’t really do any videos”
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And I was just like:
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“Hey just try it. It’s not that hard.”
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Yeah.
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And so to hear you say now
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a year and something later
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“It’s not
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doesn’t take as much time.
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as you might think.”
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Yeah.
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That’s a good word on that
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The more time you
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spend on something
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the better you’re gonna get with it.
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Yeah.
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And so like
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I had one of our
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interns yesterday, say
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something about
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like video editing
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She was like
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“I wanna help you edit video”
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“I wanna do more video editing.”
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cuz she also wants to learn
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And I just looked at her
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I was like:
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“You just gotta do it.”
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Yeah.
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Like doing it is the key
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Sit down with it
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And the more you like
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sit down with it, spend time on it.
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The more you can get it done
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Yeah.
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I've learned on my phone
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cap cut.
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The free version.
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Even like it does wonders
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for a lot of things.
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Like there's
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there's a pro version
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that probably costs,
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but, like,
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even the free version
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has given me, like, a lot of,
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you know, help.
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And there's not a lot
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there's really
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not a lot to it.
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There's a lot of little things
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you have to kind of figure out
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what does what,
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but once you do,
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it's pretty easy to kind of
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get the gist of it
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pretty quickly.
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So.
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And ya know
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what’s even fun
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Yesterday, I had a
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student
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a 6th grader come in
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and I taught him how to edit
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videos for social media
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Awesome,
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And he edited two
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cool.
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In a 3 hour
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period of time
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He’d never used
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Adobe Premiere Pro
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It turned out pretty good?
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The videos?
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Yeah. I’ll post the link down below
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You can see the student’s
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edit
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Awesome
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Man, it was crispy
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It was a crispy edit
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Cool.
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Shout out to him
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Alright, so let’s...
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Shift gears a little bit, Nate
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And, umm
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Talk about
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what
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Advantages
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or what wins
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you have seen
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out of social media
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in your group?
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Right, what has
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having a camera around
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What has doing different like
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Challenges
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Your little like
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devotional thoughts
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Take it any direction you want
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But what has
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having these
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having just a presence
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on social media
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what has it done in your mind
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to your youth group?
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you know, I'm
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going to say something
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that may be a little bit off
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the track of this little bit,
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but it's related to this.
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I think I've noticed
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a lot more people
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outside of my ministry
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are being reached
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than just my students.
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There's people
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that see my videos
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that that are like,
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not from our ministry,
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that are like, inspired
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and like asking questions
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and like, where is CSM at?
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And all this stuff.
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And they
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may not
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even be from around the area,
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but they're like curious
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and finding things.
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And we're starting
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to get more students now
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and like seeing my videos
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and being in
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and following things.
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And actually,
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we copied off
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your guy's church
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one time you did this thing
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where you went up
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to students and go,
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hey, you know,
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do you follow Cross Creek,
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your church?
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And I go, hey,
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do you follow
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CSM on on TikTok
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or do you follow CSM
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on, you know, Instagram?
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And they're always scrambling
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and they show their phone
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and they either know
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who they do
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or because of that,
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they start following.
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You know,
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I think it's just
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so important to be present
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there.
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and, give them an avenue
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where they can
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if they missed a week
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and I, I don't always do it,
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but I try to do a recap video
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from the week before
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and talk
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more about different messages.
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And, I think they need that
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to kind of
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if they're not there, like,
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hey, they can
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they can see what's going on.
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So that's, that's really good.
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Yeah.
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Well and it’s even like
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Ya know
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you even said it
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there, like
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just by doing like something
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some little like
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challenge thing
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like it created like
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a fun
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Yeah.
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moment.
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Yeah.
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And then if
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you do go around
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and you’re kinda like
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doing man on the street-style videos
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and you’re
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interviewing people and tryina
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catch em not following you,
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or prove to
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people that they are following you.
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Then later, they’re gonna look
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for that online.
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Right? And then that’s gonna create
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and organic moment
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an organic shareable moment
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that they might
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show their friends
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“Hey, check this video out!”
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or something like that, right?
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like something that they could even
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then be proud of
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Ya know, and so there’s
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I think, opportunity
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Not
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just with people who don’t go to your church
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But also,
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with students that are
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Yeah.
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in your youth ministry.
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that can, ya know
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help them feel
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like some sort of sense of ownership
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and some sort of like, win
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in and through your social media
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it’s in the
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it’s a really low
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hanging fruit there, ya know?
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Yeah.
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And I
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feel like a lot of people.
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A lot of students,
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specifically students
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want to see other students.
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Sorry.
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On videos
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and, like, in things
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instead of just me.
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Just Jessica.
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That's the leader.
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They want to see students.
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And when they see students,
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they're more attentive
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to watch
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and kind of
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participate with it
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when when they're there
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instead of
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just adults
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kind of sharing recaps
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or whatever
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that may look like, you know?
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So I've learned that
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kind of the hard way
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a little bit, you know, so.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And we’re all just trying stuff, right?
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Like what I did, when I moved here
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I guess just about two years ago, now
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when I moved here like
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my strategy that I brought in is
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not the same strategy that I have today
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So, as you get going
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and I think that’s a good encouragement too
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back to the question a minute ago
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like just get started
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Yeah.
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and once you get started
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you’ll start to like uncover things
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that you didn’t know
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Right? Like
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a great example
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in our context is
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we had a resident, Caleb
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two videos ago
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I’ll link it right here
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Caleb
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But he
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had this idea
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about this thing called the Social Challenge
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and we would do a film
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a filming of it every single Wednesday night
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and he wanted that to be like
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a long form version of a YouTube video
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and so
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we did that for a semester
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and I mean, that, that
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project would eat his lunch
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cuz he would do it on a Wednesday night
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and then he would work all day
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on a Thursday on it
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and he didn’t work on Fridays
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so like his whole Thursday
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was eaten up by getting this social challenge edited
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posted
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up and live on YouTube
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and. But we, so we
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killed the long-form version of it
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because it was like the
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time factor. Like the immediacy of it
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But we shifted it to more short style
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more challenge style
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and what that’s done
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is that has like
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you said, that has put so many more
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students on our
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platform
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so we’ve taken the same block of time
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that we would have taken to shoot
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one big long video
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and we’ll just shoot like 5
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Okay.
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Five shorts.
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And then we can just bank them
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And so we got em
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Like I got in my
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folder right now, I got like
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5 or 6
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of like a certain style of game
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we call them drafts
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and then I got 5 or 6
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of another certain style of game
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we call it 7 Questions
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Yeah.
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And so like I have
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Some pretty like set
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what I post every day
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and when I post certain things
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but like
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when I don’t have something
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or when I need something to kinda
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fill the gaps
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like I got those
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They’re just sitting
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right there. And so
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we stumbled into that
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Right? Like what we started with
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the idea of the social challenge
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what we started with
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is not what it is now
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Yeah.
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And what’s cool, is like
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it, in the room
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like in our programming
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it’s still called the same thing
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from when it started
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to what it is today
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we still call it the “Social Challenge”
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so students know what it is
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and students know there’s an opportunity
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for them to compete
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and get on camera
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and they love that stuff
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That's awesome.
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And it’s opt-in-able
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though, ya know?
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and that’s the nice part
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is like we say, “Hey”
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“During free time, if anyone wants
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to come do the Social Challenge
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we’ll be back here in this room.”
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And so it’s not forced
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Yeah.
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We’re not making anyone
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who is shy or whatever
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have to get on it
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But then you know
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there’s definitely kids who DO want to be on it
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Yeah.
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And they’re like banging down the door
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to get in there
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Do you have, like,
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the same, like,
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smaller, kind of smaller
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group of students
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that always
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want to be on videos?
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Or do you have a pretty good
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variety of students?
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I want to be on videos
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because I feel like it's
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kind of slim for me.
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of kids that actually
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want to be on video.
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Yeah, I mean it’s
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Yeah, I think it’s
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the same kinda group
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Yeah.
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the same like middle school
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boys
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Yeah.
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like the kid who edited
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is the kid who’s always on ‘em, too.
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Yeah yeah
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yeah yeah.
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Like he’s a
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he’s very camera hungry
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Yeah yeah.
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And that’s ok
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everyone’s gonna go through waves
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this kid doesn’t
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he’s a 6th grade-7th grade boy
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he’s not insecure about anything
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That's awesome
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But like one day he will be
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He probably won’t be that kid
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for his entire youth ministry career
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Right?
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And so like, you just
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that’s the nice part is you can offer that
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and if you got kids
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The other fun thing we’ve started to do
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Beyond just
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being on camera
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is like helping run the camera
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And so like maybe they don’t wanna be on the camera
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but maybe they can be like behind the scenes
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or edit
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Yeah.
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And that- students love
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getting a chance to do that
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And the more, I guess the older I’m getting
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the more I’m trying to figure out, like “How can I
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not just do student ministry
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for students,
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but how can I
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let students do student ministry for students?”
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That's good.
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So that’s one of the things we’re trying to pursue
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But Nate, tell me what
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in your context has
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been the most fun, or most effective thing?
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that you’ve done
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just with regard to digital
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it doesn’t have to be
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social media- anything, it can be anything
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any sort of thing in the digital space
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Well, I'll be honest.
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I've really recently
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kind of started a. And this.
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I don't even know
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if you consider this
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what you're looking at,
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but I started a Snapchat,
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group with our students,
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and I go, hey, invite.
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And that's a it's
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me social media
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invite
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anyone that is
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that is not that
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I don't have access to
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into this group chat.
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And people are just adding
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people as we go.
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And as soon as I add
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someone else
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and they have friends
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that are from CSM, I'm them.
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And it's like
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the group is grown,
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but the more people
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that are in there,
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the more it gets blown up.
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It's been fun to
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just kind of see it
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expand slowly
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throughout
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the last couple weeks.
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That's
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something that
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I'm excited about
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because it's like it's
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a different way of connecting.
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We have GroupMe
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and we connect through
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GroupMe mainly,
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but I think Snapchat
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should have a funner,
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like fun, fun way to like
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send funny pictures
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and whatever.
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Like you can best group
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like this
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kid was blown it up
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with with like
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filters of people's faces
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being all distorted and stuff.
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And just as he's being goofy
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and I don't know
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if that answers your question
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the way you wanted me to,
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but it's just, you know.
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Yeah, no, it’s great!
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I mean it’s
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that’s the thing, like
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every church is different, right?
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So I’m not going into this with any sorta
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like agenda
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I’m just tryina get
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to know what real youth pastors
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and real churches are doing
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like to connect with students
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and that’s a great example, because
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youth ministry 15 years ago
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like you don’t have that
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opportunity
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Whether
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Cuz like our church
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doesn’t let us use Snapchat
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Oh, really?
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Whether it’s Snapchat
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or whether it’s GroupMe
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or whether it’s a Group Message
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or whether it’s an Instagram DM Group
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The concept
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is a group message
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Yeah.
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You and I, if we were youth pastors
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fifteen years ago
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we don’t have that opportunity
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Yeah.
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That doesn’t exist
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And so, that’s why I say
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it’s so important for youth pastors to just
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figure something out, because
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look at that opportunity
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like you have a chance to
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message your students
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on like a Tuesday morning
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Yeah.
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like otherwise you would have
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had to wait for them to
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Yeah.
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come to you
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to be a captive audience
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Yeah.
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But now we have the ability to
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And there’s like
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there’s checks and balances within that
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and there’s times where that can get abused
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but at the end of the day, like
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The opportunity that we have is fantastic
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Yeah.
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So, it’s
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Important I think to lean into that
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We should ask our dad
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how he did that
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when he was a youth pastor.
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You know, just to see for him.
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Fifteen years ago?
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What?
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Because he was doing it. What?
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It was like not many.
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There wasn't cell phones,
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you know.
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So how do you.
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Well yeah, you just didn’t
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do a group chat
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Yeah.
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It was all about the in-person
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It was.
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Yeah.
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And that’s the struggle
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Right? Like the struggle now
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sometimes when
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you introduce an idea of digital
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there may be an older
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generation or demographic
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that remembers it done a different way
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And no shade on that or them
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but the fact is we just
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live in a different day
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And so
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and whatever
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And so however they were doing things before
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teenagers have zero concept of that today
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They are digital natives
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and digital dependents
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And so to
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not have something
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Right? And that’s the thing when I hear arguments
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from youth pastors who say:
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“Well, I don’t use social”
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“Well do you have a group chat?”
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“Well yeah we have a group chat!”
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“Well, you’re doing something!”
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You’re not doing nothing
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And so there’s
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That’s the thing I love, I love that
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the sky is legitimately the limit
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Wherever your creativity will lead you
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in today’s day-in-age
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you can do
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you can do anything
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Right? And it can be
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as robust of a strategy as you want
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or it can be as like
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paired down and focused on your kids
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Both are great, I think
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Yeah.
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So last thing, Nate
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How do you
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know something’s working?
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Like when you post something
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Or- how do you know when like
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that was good. That was a win?
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What are some of the things that
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you look for, whether it be
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like metrics, like number type things
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Or even just like
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the word on the street
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or the scuttlebutt that you might hear like
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in the hallways of church
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I think I see
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people share things.
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Even if it's not a lot of shares.
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Like, there's, like, adult,
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like adults that are in our
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our ministry
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that kind of see this stuff,
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and they'll share it.
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Or student
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and multiple students like it.
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We have a good amount of like
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we have a good
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amount of views.
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If there's a good
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amount of views,
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it means that it's
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kind of catching on.
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Honestly,
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I do a lot more reels,
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even for like picture
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on new picture reels.
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And they they're,
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they're ones
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that kind of
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just to kind of show
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like what
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we've done
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in the night of CSM.
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I like to do like
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recap videos of
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like what we did
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that last night
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at CSM or today or whatever,
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just kind of show people
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kind of quickly and pictures
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of what we've been up to you.
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And I think I don't
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I think our adults
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like parents and,
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and the adults in the church
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want to see what's going on
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with the students.
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And when the adults
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are encouraged
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and and feel
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uplifted by students,
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inspire inspiring others
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to come and and lead
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and leading their friends
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to Christ and
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and getting on stage on Sunday
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morning
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and leading worship and
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and when they get on
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stage on Sunday morning
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and and share
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the announcements
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in front of the whole church.
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that's just
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I think
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they're inspired by that
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and all that.
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You know, I,
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I, I capture that stuff and,
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and then I go on
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and share it
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with their friends.
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Hey, this is something that
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that happened in our church.
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Our students are doing things.
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So it's all related
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in the social media
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because you captured
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the images and then
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and then you,
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share it on
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like your platforms
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to kind of show
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the world and people
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that God's up
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to something
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at Calvary Student
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Ministries and, and just,
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yeah, that's mainly it,
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I think, is
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just seeing people inspire
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by what's going on. You know.
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Well and think about it
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if you didn’t have some sort of creative outlet
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to share stuff like that
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like how would people know?
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cuz if they’re not
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They would have no idea.
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If they’re not in the room
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they don’t know
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Exactly.
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There’s another
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You just stepped in another benefit
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Right, like?
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People, adults, parents
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Pastors, elders
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who are not coming to youth group
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on Wednesday nights or Sunday nights
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Especially not frequently
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You can help them
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Ya know, that’s a win for you
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Maybe as a youth pastor too
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Just putting some of that stuff out there
00:25:52:01 - 00:25:53:02
Yeah.
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Like Nate said
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“It’s not as hard as you think it might be.”
00:25:57:17 - 00:25:59:01
Yeah.
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So last word
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last final bit of encouragement
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What would you say to someone who
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is on the fence
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Who’s
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maybe like you a year and a half ago, is like
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“I’m not sure about all this stuff.”
00:26:09:14 - 00:26:11:05
What’s one thing
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That you would say like, “Hey, do this”
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Just. Just do this one thing
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This week?
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Yeah, that's a tough question.
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I would say like.
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Like kind of
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like what you said.
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Give it a shot
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and see if it see
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what happens.
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I mean,
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you're not going to get.
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And don't be discouraged
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if you don't get
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a hundred followers
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in the first,
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you know,
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couple days
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or weeks or months even, like,
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it takes some time
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sometimes and sometimes slowly
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growing thing.
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But,
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I say give it a shot
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and just
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try it out for a little bit.
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And like I said, please
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do not be afraid of the time.
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Just like engaging it with it.
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It's not as bad as you think.
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And honestly, like,
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I feel like youth
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pastors are really called
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to this generation
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of reaching people
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through social media.
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That's just where we're at
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and in society
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where we need to be
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on social media in some way.
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And I don't even think
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that Facebook's really
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that platform for students.
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It's more for adults
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at this at,
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you know, Facebook's
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more of an adult thing.
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And so just find that avenue
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that you can,
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get started
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with and connect them
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together, connect your
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link, your,
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you know, your
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platforms together
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so it's easier for you
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to post multiple things.
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You got this.
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The church needs you.
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You know.
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Yeah
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Love it
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Love it, well hey
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thanks for being on this morning
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Thanks for getting up early
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Yeah.
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I mean, I.
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And uh- and yeah
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Love you, brother.
00:27:34:21 - 00:27:36:07
Hey, we'll stay in touch.
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You too!
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August 01, 2024 Episode 108: David Carpenter on Social Media for Youth Ministry
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02:59 What is your current youth ministry social media?
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20:34 Don't Be Afraid!
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✍️TRANSCRIPT
00:00:01:02 - 00:00:25:04
Nick Clason
What's going on, everybody? Hey, I got another interview style episode for you today. This time it is with David Carpenter. He's a youth pastor in Kentucky, and I came across David through social media, I think, in like a youth pastor, only or doing type style Facebook group. He was talking and answering a question about social media. And so his answer intrigued me.
00:00:25:04 - 00:00:45:21
David Carpenter
I clicked on his profile and I saw that David is very much leaning into a digital and hybrid ministry experience in his church and in his ministry. So I reached out and I scheduled an interview. And so, without any further ado, I have the exclusive David Carpenter interview for you to check out here on the Hybrid Ministry episode.
00:00:45:21 - 00:01:08:00
David Carpenter
If you find this helpful in any way, I would love it if you would subscribe, like, and share it with a friend, but without any further ado, check this interview out between myself and David Carpenter. I'm here with David. David, what is up, man? How are you doing this morning?
00:01:08:00 - 00:01:26:11
David Carpenter
I'm doing great. I am recovering. We're in the middle of a VBS week right now as we're recording this.
So some of I'm sure if some of you all know how that goes and, we're, you know, kind of making it through, but it's it's a good time and it's a good week. So now we're doing it. VBS at night, church or VBS in the morning. Church. Yeah, we're VBS at night. okay. And I'm, I'm crazy youth pastor David.
00:01:26:11 - 00:01:38:16
David Carpenter
So I, you know, get stuck up on the stage and then do crazy dances and jump around and, and the like. So that's kind of the kind of the rhythm, at least once a week in the summer, that, that we're in. But yeah, it's a good time.
00:01:38:11 - 00:01:45:16
Nick Clason
Yeah. We've all been there. We've all been. Yeah, we've all been there, just, you know, part as part of the gigs.
How goes. So, Well, that's awesome. I'm excited that you guys are having a good week. I hope that you're getting, at least some sleep. And I hope that your coffee this morning is strong so that you can recover. Well, it is VBS know, but I, I came across David, I think, in like a DYM or youth pastor's only or something like that Facebook group.
and someone had asked some sort of question about social media or something, and, you replied, I have no idea what you said, but I started creeping on you and your profile, and I just saw a lot of different, like, videos and like shorts and reels and stuff like that. and it was more than I was used to for, I guess I would say like the average or like or standard youth ministry, social media that I saw.
And so because of that caught my attention. and so I followed you and or became friends with you or something on Facebook. reached out to you and, and chatted a little bit. But I'm excited to have you on here today, because I'd love to know, you know, what is like your as it stands today, in your student ministry at your church.
Like what is your current sort of like social media or digital presence? What does it what does it look like? What do you what do you aim in for? And how's all that going?
00:02:51:04 - 00:03:16:19
David Carpenter
Yeah. well, I appreciate you asking and obviously honored to to be here. And we connected on, on that, question. And, you know, I started doing social media stuff when I was probably shoot 14 or 15.
00:03:16:21 - 00:03:46:04
David Carpenter
my dad was a pastor. And obviously, I'm sure lots of pastors kids out there know you get roped into doing things. And he was kind of an early innovator and had started doing a weekly YouTube show for our church. This was probably back in 2012, 2013, and I wanted to increase the views on it. So I created a Facebook page for it and kind of started to put together a logo for it and, and try to find ways to increase its, viewership and things like that.
00:03:46:04 - 00:04:15:09
David Carpenter
And kind of got my feet wet doing, you know, video editing and social media stuff at that point. But, instead of ministry, you know, we are looking at social media as an opportunity to disciple our students, but also as a, an outward opportunity to disciple, you know, literally people across the world, and, you know, practically that looks like a couple different things.
00:04:15:11 - 00:05:00:16
David Carpenter
platforms we use, we use, YouTube. We put our regular, weekly ministry teachings on podcast form. we use TikTok and we use Instagram, which is connected to a Facebook account. Our students don't engage there much, but, we, we share some of that stuff because I think it helps to keep parents connected, but, kind of a shift in the mindset going into it for us is, is that opportunity for discipleship that, you know, we are producing teachings and content that, man, it it's kind of already done and we have the opportunity to capture it and record it and then redisplay it, to potentially an audience that
00:05:00:16 - 00:05:21:21
David Carpenter
was missing on a Wednesday night or an audience that may, may never be able to come to our church. and so, you know, kind of, for you, probably about a year ago, we, we started thinking about ways for our church and our student ministry to really maximize, digital, you know, opportunities to reach people and, and disciple people.
00:05:21:23 - 00:05:41:03
David Carpenter
And over the last year, we've been kind of rolling that out and stepping into that over time. because we want to make sure that we can do it in sustainable and continuous ways. But, yeah, it's it's really just it's it's an opportunity for discipleship and for us to tell the story of our church, for us to tell the story of our state of ministry.
00:05:41:05 - 00:06:06:18
David Carpenter
people love stories. And, when, when we have the opportunity to share the stories of what Jesus is doing in the lives of our students or, or just even ways that our students are connecting and and enjoying their teenage years in a healthy Christian community. we feel like that's a win.
00:06:06:18 - 00:06:32:09
Nick Clason
So, yeah, no doubt, the most recent episodes, that I had, I had are like, year long resident on here.
And it was interesting because he mentioned the value that like, our social media sort of like presents and, and just philosophy and strategy, the value that it brought to like our attendance and our students are actually like in the room. Right. Because a lot of times, a lot of times I think it's like, we view it as like a replacement for the kids that were not at church or, for the kids that aren't even there yet.
00:06:32:09 - 00:06:57:17
Nick Clason
But he was like, no, it I thought it enhanced like the experience for the kids are already there, which was like an interesting like I'd seen it too, but I hadn't like, I hadn't come to that sort of like conclusion, like he had. So I because I do think the argument a lot of times that I feel like either we face as youth pastors or even just like me with this podcast, it's just that there's not enough time, and we need to focus on the kids that we have.
00:06:57:19 - 00:07:16:08
Nick Clason
And so to hear you say like, this is not this is an opportunity. This is a way for us to lean in with the kids that we have like that I agree with I would agree with that. And so get like get specific here, like help, help us out, help people out. Like what exactly do you do? Like what camera do you use?
00:07:16:08 - 00:07:38:00
Nick Clason
What like software are you using to edit. Like what's your because you're a real youth pastor with a real job, with real responsibilities, with real messages to write and programs to create, like, how are you, involving digital media into that? And like, what's your workflow with all that? Because it feels like it would probably be a steep learning curve or just a lot of extra work.
And maybe it is, but like, what are you doing? What's helping you out? What's what are some shortcuts? Maybe that might be out there.
00:07:38:00 - 00:07:55:02
David CarpenterYeah. Well, first, I think what you said is completely true, that it's it is an outward facing thing, but also one, I think sometimes where we as preachers assume that people come and listen to us.
00:07:55:03 - 00:08:27:07
David Carpenter
I speak to our students on Wednesday nights for about 18 to 22 minutes. Sunday morning there's a, you know, 28 to 32 minutes. And we think they probably remember everything we said, right. Like they they wrote the notes. They've got it in. They've already applied every one of these points. You know, it was all iterated. And I remember my great illustration and one, you know, when, when we're including things that are reflecting on the teachings, I think that reinforces and reminds those who were in the room and also, things like we did a post on our social that did really well a few months ago of, yeah, a picture of a student taking notes,
00:08:27:09 - 00:08:44:03
David Carpenter
and the post was all overlaid on the photo of the student was the notes from Wednesday night, some of the notes that we'd given them, and then in the caption was information. What? Why do we encourage students to take notes? Why do we give out handouts and and give an opportunity to teach culture in in those moments? So it definitely is for the kids in the room too.
00:08:44:03 - 00:09:06:21
David Carpenter
But yeah, practically speaking, we, from, September, August to May, we regularly gather for student nights. Our church takes the month of June off, and then we come back in July with some different programing on Monday nights. But for those student nights, we capture those, I capture those from our soundboard straight into GarageBand. It's nothing fancy.
00:09:06:21 - 00:09:27:24
David Carpenter
I think if you listen to podcasts, you're probably smart enough to go get a it's a I think it was an $8 adapter that is a board out to a usb-C in. And I just record the audio of the speaking. and we do podcast for the reason of one number one demographic for podcast listeners is like 12 to 22.
00:09:28:01 - 00:09:43:13
David Carpenter
I heard somewhere. And so our students and student aged people are listening to podcast. And also I use those as a resource for our parents always encourage our our parents to stay connected. If you listen to the podcast as a parent, hey, you can listen to what your student is learning and stay engaged and connected to our students in that way.
00:09:43:17 - 00:10:03:11
David Carpenter
So we have audio in that way. And then we as a message is beginning. Our church is not a very big church. We're in a more rural area. We're about an hour, 45 minutes an hour south of Lexington, Kentucky. and so we have a canon in 100, which is not a super nice camera. it's an outdated model.
00:10:03:11 - 00:10:27:06
David Carpenter
I think the 200 came out a couple of years ago. So this is a post post, you know, model camera. and we set it on a tripod high enough that it's pretty well over the students head, and we record those and, get a long form video of the message. and that goes on YouTube and that, that again, the primary purpose of that is for our parents to have a way to connect.
00:10:27:08 - 00:10:47:19
David Carpenter
I don't have any visions of, of those, you know, going viral or making me famous. it's, you know, those are we're getting 2 to 6, eight views on those videos. but, you know, it's it's so that we have a digital record of it. And then, those get split into my goal is always two short form clips that go on TikTok and Instagram.
00:10:47:19 - 00:11:10:15
David Carpenter
And if you can get them short enough YouTube shorts a week. as a way to reiterate, I reiterate, there's a word in there somewhere. I probably reiterate. There you go. That's the one. our teachings on Wednesday night, to connect back with those students and obviously to disciple people who, you know, they may be near to you, but are far from out or need encouragement in their faith.
00:11:10:17 - 00:11:32:20
David Carpenter
so that's pretty practical. I use Premiere Pro. I've always used Adobe products. it's but the what we do, I mean, you I feel you could get a YouTube video, of your teachings. You could use a phone and a, digital recorded mic, like a, phone in usb-C mic, especially if you've got a light, you know, new model phone.
00:11:32:22 - 00:11:53:09
David Carpenter
if you're not in a large space, this as your space gets larger, it's the lens being able to zoom in on the space that you're in. But it's not fancy technology. the church has invested $10 in an an adapter to record the audio, and now we just, we got better quality from the board straight into to a laptop.
00:11:53:10 - 00:12:16:05
David Carpenter
So, I mean, so that's that's kind of the we build out from there because, we can stay consistent with that, especially through the school year. the other things we're doing is, we show up with a camera to everything we do. I use a canon, I'm sitting here looking at it. I think it's a. Let me look, let me tell you, for I like to.
00:12:16:07 - 00:12:36:00
David Carpenter
It's a 70 day. I couldn't reference a 7080 or an 80, but with a 70 to 200 lens. I'm not a photographer. about two and a half years ago, I started taking pictures. And I've gotten better over time. You can put that thing in auto, and if you take enough pictures, you can get a couple good ones.
00:12:36:04 - 00:12:52:17
David Carpenter
Some. Some will look good, right? Yes. Exactly right. If you can get a couple good ones in focus, and we have leaders now that, you know, of course, like when I'm, when I'm speaking or on stage playing a game or something, I can't get those pictures. I tell them, hey, just this is how you focus it and do your best.
00:12:52:17 - 00:13:11:01
David Carpenter
And they always, you know, I've got multiple leaders who can come out with a couple good pictures. Those are great to have for your YouTube thumbnails and Instagram Reels covers. And then also just having a photo library, is helpful for for to stay consistent. That's one of the most important things I feel like with social and success in is consistency.
00:13:11:01 - 00:13:34:23
David Carpenter
And I think for people like us who work, you know, a full time job as a student, pastor, youth pastor, that's probably the greatest challenge. So building rhythms into your regular weekly life to prioritize social is important. And I think that's kind of what you are in doing what you're doing, trying to encourage people towards. And something I would definitely Amen.
00:13:34:23 - 00:14:00:06
David Carpenter
Yes and amen with what you're doing to say, hey, we are busy, but the five ten hours a week that it takes to, you know, record and and put a message on YouTube, cut it up into some clips, maybe find another way to to post on social once another week, once. Once a week. Twice. Like it's worth it because you are connecting to your kids where they already are.
00:14:00:06 - 00:14:20:17
David Carpenter
And it's an incredible mission field. It's an incredible opportunity. And, and I think it it's one of those things where sometimes we think, well, if I had time, I would, but it's like, no, this is something we need to make time for. Digital discipleship, should should be a priority, especially, for people reaching, you know, Gen Z and Gen Alpha.
00:14:20:19 - 00:14:40:05
Nick Clason
Yeah. Dude. I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. You said, like, so many things in there that, like, I like I feel like I've been saying, you know, so, like, the first thing of which is, like, you spent $10 to get better audio. And so because one of my arguments that I feel like a lot of youth pastors have is like, we're not the main room, we're not the main auditorium.
00:14:40:05 - 00:14:56:02
Nick Clason
So we don't have like the live stream gear. We don't have all that type of stuff. And like, you know, you just made the case, like, you don't have to have all that. Like, you can just put a camera up in the back of the room, like one of the strategies that we recommend, here on this podcast is like just sitting down like pre filming your messages.
00:14:56:02 - 00:15:25:05
Nick Clason
But if you don't even have the time to do that, like you can do it, David did. And just put a camera in the back of the room, capture your audio. And that's even one less like step of extra work, you know, and like you were saying, and it's interesting when you talk about like, having a digital library, like, that's a fantastic resource for down the road, because you might be counseling a kid, or kid might come to you with a particular issue and you're like, I've actually like studied that in Scripture.
00:15:25:05 - 00:15:45:09
Nick Clason
And like, I have that information and I've packaged it in like a sermon. It just was like two months ago. But like you have the YouTube link, let me send that to you. Because maybe they weren't there, maybe they weren't coming to your church yet, or maybe they whatever the reason, right, that were to your point, they just don't remember it because our teachings aren't as valuable as we hope and think that they they would be.
00:15:45:09 - 00:16:09:17
Nick Clason
And there's so there's really is so much like I agree, so much value in creating like a digital, a digital library far beyond what we can possibly think or imagine. I think. And you, if you start now, that begins to build and compound on itself, you know. So if let's say you're hearing this in the middle of this summer and this year, you're like, I'm going to start capturing my messages and posting them on YouTube.
00:16:09:19 - 00:16:27:19
Nick Clason
By the end of the school year, you have a full year library worth of content. So like David said, just you gotta find the time like it's it's we it's no longer an option anymore. I don't think I think you can keep doing it and you probably won't get fired, right. You can keep living life in your very like analog youth pastor way.
00:16:27:23 - 00:16:50:05
Nick Clason
And with all the irons in the fire like that is a way to keep doing the job. But I think we yeah, as youth pastors, can be more effective if we choose to invest in, engage and lean into what this digital space has to offer. For sure. David. What? if anything, is there anything that you're like, I would love it if we could get to this spot.
00:16:50:07 - 00:17:10:15
Nick Clason
Like, these are some of your, like, goals or dreams for your digital stuff, but your youth pastor and you haven't, you know, but legs all the way under it yet or, you know, it's it's a down the road sort of project that you'd like to see. Certainly. you know, obviously you want to continue to work to upgrade the quality of the, the content you're putting out.
00:17:10:17 - 00:17:35:00
David Carpenter
I would love to, lean into, more conversation, type content for YouTube and podcasts and even, you know, using those on social. We did a series, in the month of February. we call it All My Friends. And we sat and took three weeks. I interviewed, a couple different people, two of them. One week it was two of our students, two of our graduating seniors.
00:17:35:00 - 00:18:09:22
David Carpenter
And those videos are our best videos on YouTube. bar none, you know, and did so well. And and it's, you know, it's telling those stories. Yeah. I think people really like that. So content like that and, and more, student driven content, I think is the place we're going. And for your busy youth pastor, man, lean into, you know, your students, your students, our content creators, Gen Z and Gen Alpha are born into a world where they are all create content.
00:18:09:24 - 00:18:31:24
David Carpenter
I mean, go watch a seven year old kid. I go to the gym and my the my gym owner, his daughter, I think she's 7 or 8 and she walks around the gym with a digital camera and makes pictures and videos and, and edits and stories of, you know, her and all her, you know, people at the gym.
00:18:32:01 - 00:18:55:17
David Carpenter
They are all doing it. Yeah. Ask them, lean into them. And that's kind of a space that I would want to grow in. Is is including and and using our students, in that ministry, as, as a way to include them in the discipleship process online and also to, to tell their stories.
00:18:55:17 - 00:19:16:17
Nick Clason
And that's so good. And, you know, you use Premiere Pro, I use Premiere Pro.
So, like, you might hear a couple of guys on this podcast be like, man, it's like, I don't know that I'll have access to it. Like everything now is so accessible. Like I did a whole week's worth of daily recap videos off of my cell phone with cap cut a year ago. And like Canva, you know you can use Canva Pro and do tons of stuff on there.
00:19:16:17 - 00:19:34:24
Nick Clason
And because you're nonprofit, if you're church, it's free. You know, Canva, Canva for, nonprofits is completely free, but they'll give you like the pro, the pro version of it. And so like, you don't have to have all of these, like, higher level skills that you used to have to have, like the barrier to entry into this stuff is is so much lower.
00:19:34:24 - 00:19:53:11
Nick Clason
And you're so right. Like, our students absolutely eat this stuff up and probably want us to just get out of the way and let them do it anyway. So we should just we figure that out. All we gotta do is put a little infrastructure around it. Form.
00:19:53:11 - 00:20:18:13
David Carpenter
Yeah. I mean, what better thing could we do than like, really as student pastors?
What what better, greater opportunity we have then to empower students to step into ministry and to see their life as ministry? They're on social. They they're just like, we we want to encourage them to see their high school basketball team as a ministry. So we would we should do encourage them to see their digital life as a ministry.
Right. It's it's not that we put it in a compartment but that all of that we all of the things we do, our ministry and opportunities to share Jesus and and what better thing could we do than to teach our students that and to include them in that, that
00:20:18:15 - 00:20:55:23
Nick Clason
you're you're so right on that. Well, David, any other sort of like thoughts or words of encouragement that you would have, like, you have opportunity here to like, talk to some other youth pastors, people in church ministry like, you know, what what would you as you look out across the landscape of youth ministry and probably, if you're like me, the lack of digital integration that is existing like what? What would be your like final words or just, you know, final encouragement pieces to to other youth pastors?
00:20:55:23 - 00:21:20:05
David Carpenter
Yeah. You know, I was, I'm a great resource for, for anybody listening. of course, you know, these resources here. I looked at your Linktree the other day, and, I mean, gosh, some incredible resources you've got for for student pastors on there, for a digital resource.
00:21:20:05 - 00:21:45:20
David Carpenter
And also, I would encourage people to look into pro church tools. Brady here, I listened to his podcast every week. And and he is giving out, I mean, just free stuff. he did a, a poll on his Instagram, a couple months ago and asked, you know, these are church creatives. These are people like you and me who value church using digital, you know, marketing and digital opportunities to reach people.
00:21:45:20 - 00:22:18:05
David Carpenter
Jesus. And he asked those churches how many of them their church has a TikTok page. And of those people, 10% said yes. and I you know, you mentioned that group on Facebook of youth pastors only. and I think every time I see someone and it may have been even in that post that we connected on ask about TikTok, I see so many comments of, well, TikTok is just, you know, naked people or dancing people or, or or music that we wouldn't want our students to listen to or whatever.
00:22:18:07 - 00:22:56:23
David Carpenter
And, you know, my courage would be, don't be afraid to step into new things. as in terms of digital, you know, digital outreach, as a student pastor, as a student ministry. you know, when I came to, to this church, our, our ministry was very young, lots of middle schoolers, fewer high schoolers. And with that, fewer of our students had social media, like, a lot of our consistent students weren't on Instagram, they weren't on TikTok.
00:22:57:00 - 00:23:25:12
David Carpenter
And I think sometimes we could think, well, our students aren't even there. Why would I even invest into that? The one there's students in your community who are there, and two, you know, we're we're not affirming everything on something by putting our presence there. There's bad stuff everywhere. You know, our kids grow up and go to college.
00:23:25:14 - 00:23:42:08
David Carpenter
And guess what? I tell our kids all the time, hey, when you go to college, if you want to get into something, you can find it there, right? Your parents can only protect you for so long. And that's true in a lot of digital spaces. If you want to find, sinful things in on the internet, it's not really hard to do.
00:23:42:09 - 00:24:03:22
David Carpenter
All right? We're all mature and old enough to know that that's true. So our choice is either to be afraid and hide and say, well, if I'm not there, I'm not encouraging anybody to go there. Or we can say, hey, there's lost people there. There's people that are far from God there. And I mean, shoot, the way that TikTok's algorithm prioritizes locality.
00:24:03:24 - 00:24:27:24
David Carpenter
There are people in your community, students in your community who are there. And even if you would not encourage your students to go create an account, there, you can still go reach people there. And we have the greatest message that's ever been told. And we have the greatest means to take that message to the whole world. Why would we be afraid?
00:24:28:01 - 00:24:49:00
David Carpenter
And that would be my encouragement. Man is, hey, don't be afraid, try stuff. And guess what? I made a post. shoot. It was on our I was actually on our church page and it did did well on Instagram and did well on YouTube shorts and flopped on TikTok. I mean, like seven views, like horrible, awful. and guess what?
00:24:49:02 - 00:25:27:04
David Carpenter
The sun still came up the next day and not everything's going to work. But don't be afraid. Step into digital spaces because there is an incredible opportunity to minister to students and reach students in those spaces. And so I would just encourage you, don't be afraid. Yes, we have discernment from the Holy Spirit. Yes, there is wisdom. And no, we don't have to say yes to everything, but be wise and be willing to step out and trust that God can take your, a message that that someone is listening is is teaching maybe to a room of of 15 students.
00:25:27:06 - 00:25:44:06
David Carpenter
And there's something you could say in that, or a guest could say in that, or one of your students could encourage somebody with and millions of people could be encouraged with the love of Jesus. And I mean, what, what kind of incredible opportunity is that? And why would we not lean into that in any way we could? you're so right.
00:25:44:06 - 00:26:12:16
Nick Clason
And, you know, TikTok was just the new one, but everyone else has figured out how to compete with them. Now. So Facebook, Instagram have reels and YouTube shorts. And so if you're like, well, my kids aren't on TikTok, well, if they're on Instagram, you can still make the exact same type of content. If they're on YouTube, you can like my I, I crack up because like my hours, I have parents who are like, my kids aren't on TikTok, but they're on YouTube more like they're on than they're watching the same same things, same stuff.
00:26:12:20 - 00:26:32:04
Nick Clason
You haven't done anything. They're just on YouTube now. So, yeah. you know, it's it's all that's the thing. Like I work at what I say is one of the most conservative churches, and so we have just as much parents or whatever who might be a little freaked out by some of these things. And, but YouTube seems to be like the safe one.
00:26:32:08 - 00:26:50:05
Nick Clason
You know, I'm like, well, on YouTube and, like, oh, yeah, that's fine. Like, because parents watch YouTube and you can watch it on your TV in your house because there's like an app for it on your all your smart TVs and stuff like that. And so like our executive pastor, his daughter, she's not social media but do watch all of our like YouTube stuff on their TV in their house.
00:26:50:05 - 00:27:11:09
Nick Clason
Like even the silly stuff that we do. Even like the little shorts in the games and stuff that we do on there. And so it's like you said, it lean into it because if that's where our students are, I think there's a stat from Pew. Like 95% of teenagers say that they will use YouTube. So if that's where they are, like, you're right, why would we not be there to get there?
00:27:11:11 - 00:27:28:09
Nick Clason
So get there. Well, man, I appreciate your time. David, where would be like, if people want to see all this stuff, I'll drop some of these things in the show notes. Like, how can they get Ahold of you? How can they, check out what you're doing on your churches and youth ministry, social media? let us know where where they can find you.
00:27:28:11 - 00:27:47:20
David Carpenter
Yeah. Our, our church is, everywhere. It's it's Harrodsburg dot church. So our seed ministry is Harrodsburg dot students. That's YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. You should be able to get to there. my Facebook and Instagram, our David Lee Carpenter. There's a lot of David Carpenters out there, so I put my middle name in there. You should be able to find me. and if I can help or encourage anybody along the way, I would love to do that. I'm thankful for you to to let me. Come on. And I hope it helps somebody bless somebody today.
00:27:47:22 - 00:28:44:24
Nick Clason
Absolutely. Hey, thanks for being on. Appreciate your time today. And we'll talk next time.
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