In this episode, Nique and Ian discuss Harvard economist Roland Fryer’s proposal to transition from Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) to Merit, Excellence, and Intelligence (MEI) in corporate and educational contexts. They explore the implications of this shift, the challenges posed by current educational disparities, and the importance of merit in creating opportunities. The conversation highlights the performative nature of DEI initiatives and the need for a more honest dialogue about the root causes of inequality. Ultimately, they advocate for a focus on merit as a means to achieve true diversity and excellence in society.