How well do you know your friends? When I spoke with my dear friend Ivana Culham I was shocked that I hadn't known about her struggles as a mum. Ivana is always so friendly, kind and supportive. I had no idea that she had a near-break-down and burned out as a mum.

Her ideals of a happy family hit rock bottom when she found herself struggling and feeling disconnected with her young daughter. Then when she realised she was about to have twin boys she found she couldn't cope.

In this interview we explore how Ivana started to heal when a friend said to her 'Ivana, there is nothing wrong with you' she became curious to learn more... it led her to the Inside-out understanding.

Now her whole family has adopted a way of talking about the Inside Out understanding and Ivana sees her family as her Wellbeing Listener project.

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