A plethora of complex governance arrangements are being  set up in and around ICSs - which are only just due to become statutory.  We discuss why these complications might hinder successful service  change.

We also hear about two senior NHS tech chiefs leaving  their positions to join a controversial private company - at a time when  NHS England is launching a major data project to drive digital  transformation across the health service.

Link to the leader discussed in the podcast: www.hsj.co.uk/policy-and-regulat…ed/7032335.article