Christian invites Ben Stuart, pastor of Passion City Church in Washington, D.C., to enlighten him, John Luke, Reeves, and Luke on the relationship between faith and good works. Ben emphasizes that moral behavior is a result of being saved by Jesus, not the cause of salvation. Reeves and Christian have struggled with understanding the infinite nature of God, and Luke ties Romans 4 back to the story of Abraham’s faith, even through his own trials and death before witnessing the outcome of God’s promise.

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