Special guest Anat Shenker-Osorio joins Joe and Alex for one of our favorite shows to date. You won't want to miss the energy. What is the entire Democratic political ecosystem getting wrong? What's broken about "testing?" And how do we take the fight more directly to Trump - with what Anat calls "the only thing that truly fells an autocrat?" Plus: How do we avoid "process words" and unintentionally defending the status quo? How we can break through with the voters who really need to hear it?

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