The conversation covers a range of topics including life-changing habits, influential books, career pivots, journalism, media integrity, teaching in inner city Los Angeles, and mindset and attitude. The speakers discuss the impact of pivots in their careers and lives, the challenges of journalism and the importance of media integrity, the experience of teaching in inner city Los Angeles, and the significance of mindset and attitude in leadership and personal development. The conversation delves into the importance of mindset and positive influence, highlighting the impact of storytelling in leadership and communication. It emphasizes the power of a positive mindset and the nurturing of a supportive environment. Additionally, it explores the significance of storytelling in leadership, communication, and public speaking, emphasizing the use of relatable, authoritative, and purposeful storytelling to engage and connect with audiences.

Takeaways

• Pivots
• Journalism vs. Commentary
• Teaching Experience
• Mindset Positive mindset
• The power of storytelling

Chapters

• 00:00 Mindset and Attitude

The conversation covers the impact of health, early life experiences, navigating personal challenges, real-world business experience, vertical specialization, and the importance of authenticity and human connection in business. The conversation delves into the significance of authenticity in business, the influence of values on business operations, the impact of marketing AI on business owners, and the pitfalls of digital marketing and AI. The key takeaways emphasize the importance of authenticity and value-based business approaches for long-term success.

Takeaways

• Health impact
• Unique business advice
• Starting from zero
• Personal challenges
• Compartmentalization
• Vertical specialization
• Human connection Authenticity in business is crucial
• Value-based business approach is essential for long-term success

Chapters

• 00:00 Impact of Health
• 06:08 Navigating Personal Challenges
• 14:25 Real World Experience
• 21:24 Authenticity and Human Connection
• 33:17 The Pitfalls of Digital Marketing and AI

The conversation covers Kirk McCarley's early life, career, marriage, broadcasting, executive leadership coaching, and the impact of fear. Kirk shares insights on routine, overcoming fear, and the misunderstood measures of success. The conversation also delves into the impact of authenticity in media and the importance of communication.

Takeaways

• Routine
• Overcoming fear

Chapters

• 00:00 Early Life and Career
• 05:44 Marriage and Longevity
• 18:57 Executive Leadership Coaching
• 32:44 Overcoming Fear and Impact of Fear

Most people think leadership is about strategy, authority, or results. Andy Neillie sees it differently — leadership is personal.

In this episode, Andy breaks down what over 20 years of real-world leadership has taught him — from building multi-million dollar businesses to leading teams inside high-pressure environments. But what makes this conversation different is where those lessons come from.

Some of the most powerful leadership principles Andy teaches didn’t come from boardrooms — they came from rescued dogs.

We get into:
• How bad leadership early in his career shaped his mission
• Why most managers fail when they try to “lead”
• The four necessities every leader must develop to earn trust
• What companies get wrong about culture and retention
• How faith, character, and discipline show up in real leadership

This isn’t theory. It’s practical, hard-earned truth about what it actually takes to lead people well.

If you’ve ever worked under a bad leader — or you’re trying to become a better one — this episode will hit home.

🎧 Listen now and rethink what leadership really means.

Based on the transcript and the "She Pushed Through the Pain..." hook from your screenshot, here is a compelling episode description for I’m Up He See’s Me I’m Down.

"I always experienced really bad hip pain and no one really knew where it was coming from... I was taught that pain is mental and that we could just endure through it."

What happens when your entire identity is built on your ability to outrun the pain—and then your body finally says, "No more"?

In this powerful episode of I’m Up He See’s Me I’m Down, host Mike Turner sits down with leadership coach and organizational expert Carylynn Larson. For years, Carylynn defined herself as an elite marathon runner, using the sport as a coping mechanism for life's stresses. But beneath the surface, a battle with hip dysplasia and a silent struggle with an eating disorder were leading her toward a total physical and mental breaking point.

In this conversation, we discuss:

• The Cost of High Expectations: Growing up in an academic household and the pressure to excel at all costs.
• The Military Spouse Journey: Navigating isolation, deployment during a pandemic, and the vital role of community.
• The Breaking Point: Moving from elite athlete to being confined to a wheelchair, and the "hard work" of learning to sit with yourself.
• Identity vs. Achievement: How to lead when your "superpower" is taken away and you’re forced to reconnect with your body and faith.
• Healing Communities: Why modern organizations need leaders who aren’t just "task-oriented," but who create safe spaces for the human experience.

Carylynn’s story is a masterclass in resilience—not the surface-level "hustle" kind, but the deep, transformative grit required to rebuild a life from the ground up.

Most people spend their lives chasing value, in their career, relationships, and identity.

But what if that’s the problem?

In this episode, Mike sits down with Jordan White, a self-leadership coach, to break down what it actually means to create value instead of chase it.

They dive into identity, mindset, and the internal work most people avoid, including how your thinking patterns shape your decisions, your leadership, and ultimately your life.

Jordan shares his journey growing up navigating identity, how that shaped his perspective on leadership, and why self-awareness is the foundation for everything.

If you’ve ever felt stuck, misaligned, or unsure of your next move, this conversation will challenge the way you think.

Kevin D’Anna didn’t have a "typical" path to success. His early chapters were written in the shadow of an alcoholic father and a childhood spent moving between 27 different homes. By age 18, he was facing his first DUI; by his third, he was sitting in a jail cell realizing he had built the very bed he was lying in.

The turning point wasn't a sudden stroke of luck—it was a book and a choice. He realized that he was his own biggest problem. Once he took ownership of his life, he didn't just find sobriety; he found his calling as a leader.

He went from bartending to running a Hertz counter, eventually buying a collision center and nearly doubling its revenue in three years by focusing on the one thing most owners ignore: the people.

Today on I’m Up He See’s Me I’m Down, we sit down with Kevin to discuss:

• The moment he realized alcohol was stealing his potential

• How to transition from a "technician" to a true CEO

• Why he’s now on a mission to give Think and Grow Rich to an entire generation of kids

This isn't surface-level motivation. This is a story about the grit required to rebuild from the ground up.

AI is moving fast. Most companies are moving faster than they should.

In this episode, Mike sits down with Tia Christopher, founder and CEO of The Orange Peel Collaborative, to break down what responsible AI actually looks like inside a real business. This is not a conversation about hype or tools. It is about leadership, accountability, and the decisions companies are making right now that will either build trust or destroy it.

Tia brings a grounded perspective shaped by her experience as a US Navy veteran and a 100 percent disabled veteran. After navigating layoffs and career transitions, she built a company focused on helping organizations implement AI with intention, not urgency.

They get into the real issues leaders are facing today. Why most companies are adopting AI without clear policies. The growing divide between enterprise tools with strict guardrails and more open experimental platforms. And the long term risk of prioritizing speed and cost savings over people and culture.

This conversation also goes deeper into something many leaders avoid. The human impact of AI. Tia makes a strong case for reskilling over layoffs and explains why ethical leadership is not optional in a technology driven world.

If you are a founder, executive, or operator trying to navigate AI without compromising your values, this episode will challenge how you think about growth, risk, and responsibility.

We’ve all seen it: the superstar hire who looks perfect on paper but starts drowning within six months.

They have the degree. They have the experience. They have the "Midwest work ethic" Dustin DeBoer and I talked about. So what went wrong?

On the newest I’m Up He See’s Me I’m Down, Dustin explains that productivity isn't just about effort—it's about alignment. When you ask a natural visionary to manage minute details, or a natural supporter to make cold, hard executive decisions, you are asking them to "mask" their true selves.

That mask is heavy. It leads to burnout, errors, and eventually, departure. Dustin’s work in leadership consulting proves that when you align a person’s role with their God-given wiring, productivity doesn't just improve—it becomes effortless.

Most leaders believe their biggest hurdle is execution, but what if the real problem is an identity crisis? In this episode, Mike Turner sits down with executive coach and leadership consultant Desiree Cocroft to discuss the philosophy behind her company, Destination Life.

With over 22 years of experience, Desiree shares why high-performing professionals often fall into the trap of "proving energy"—constantly trying to validate their worth—rather than leading from a place of secure identity and "being energy". The conversation explores how to move beyond productivity systems to focus on intentional growth, the importance of psychological safety in the workplace, and why leadership is a skill that must be cultivated rather than a trait you are simply "born with".

Whether you are feeling stuck in your career or simply need a reminder to pause, breathe, and reset, this episode provides actionable insights on how to enjoy the journey of leadership while managing the stressors of today’s fast-moving world.

Key Discussion Points:

• Identity vs. Execution: Why your inability to reach a goal is often an identity or root-cause issue, not a lack of strategy.

• The "Proving" Trap: How to shift from "proving energy" (scarcity-based) to "being energy" (security-based).

• The Art of the Pause: Practical habits for self-care and re-centering yourself to neutral throughout a high-stress workday.

• Cultivating Leadership: Why leadership is a learnable skill that requires constant cultivation, similar to athletic training.

• Defining Success: How to chase a feeling of peace and joy rather than just chasing the next job title.

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