You’ve heard what happened—and more importantly, what didn’t happen—inside the sham impeachment trial of Donald Trump. This episode is about what happened outside while the Senate Republicans were refusing to put American democracy over their own lust for power. Joining Alyssa Milano this week is Tae Phoenix. Tae is a singer, songwriter, and activist who is a leader in the impeach and remove movement. She’s been arrested at the Capitol for demanding the Senate do its job and remove Donald Trump from office.

We talk about the importance of standing up and fighting even when you know it’s very unlikely you will win, the need for civil disobedience, and getting up and getting back in the fight even after you lose.