Kelly has had quite an interesting life.  At this time she has thrown herself into creating treasures for all from the trash of some.

In this podcast you will meet a woman who had aspirations to be on Broadway but life took her to the forefront of the aides crisis to ministry.

This podcast led me in many directions, which all of them seem to do.  Brian has many interests from radio to podcasts to martial arts.  He may also have done a little "hacking" years ago. 

Some things we discussed were Jesse's time as a professional baseball player, his father being in the band "Rare Earth" and how he became a professional photographer.