Independent music and independent pro wrestling may seem like disparate art forms, but that’s until you dig deeper into their histories. Many of the subcultures in both worlds have held events in the same places, shared the same personnel, and have held the same ideas of community.

KEXP’s Martin Douglas talks with Jim Perry, Daniel Makabe, and Damien Abraham about how the art, ethos, and business of professional wrestling and music have always walked hand-in-hand.

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