This episode is a conversation with Dr. John Bruni, David Olney, and Tim Whiffen concerning John and David's latest trip to Canberra. The report John and David must produce for the DoD has lead to many meetings with large and small states who either give or receive foreign aid. The implications from the different perspectives on aid gives a fairly dire diagnosis of the Australian approach to soft power. These observations include some ideas that for the sake of Chatham House Rules cannot be attributed to specific persons and the ensuing discussion considers the ideas and not necessarily those who hold them.

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