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Craig Duckworth sits down with CIO and Chief Enterprise Architect Shellie D'Angelo to address why so many OT and IT modernization efforts stall out at the foundation.

Shellie explains why data governance must come before “another tool,” how inconsistent data quality quietly sabotages reporting and risk decisions, and why leadership transparency is the fastest path to maturity.

Craig and Shellie also explore the reality of shadow IT on the plant floor, the growing impact of AI as both a defensive advantage and an attacker accelerator, and the practical steps teams can take to move from reactive chaos to measurable business outcomes.

Chapters:

• (00:00:00) Why honest risk conversations are the starting line
• (00:01:00) Shellie’s background: rebuilding enterprise tech foundations
• (00:02:00) OT/IT convergence: start with business drivers and data governance
• (00:05:00) “Tools first” vs business-first security decisions
• (00:08:00) Knowing what you have before buying more tools
• (00:11:00) How far along are most organizations, really?
• (00:15:00) AI as a double-edged sword: defense vs attacker acceleration
• (00:18:00) Where to start: inventory first vs governance structure
• (00:22:00) OT tech is often easier prey: PLCs, HMI/SCADA, cameras
• (00:25:00) Partnering vs going it alone: don’t reinvent the wheel
• (00:26:00) Tech debt and why technology can’t be an afterthought
• (00:29:00) Governance should increase speed, not slow it down
• (00:30:00) Final advice: “turn chaos into cash” and own your impact

Links And Resources:

• Shellie D'Angelo on LinkedIn
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• Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
• Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
• BW Design Group Cybersecurity
• Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
• Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Dino Busalachi sits down with Simon Chassar, former Chief Revenue Officer at Claroty and current OT cybersecurity advisor and investor, to explore the evolution and future of industrial cybersecurity.

Simon shares insights from his decade-long journey in the space, discussing how OT asset visibility has become commoditized and why the industry is experiencing two major shifts: moving right toward threat-led SOC services and perimeter protection, and moving left toward secure-by-design approaches and attack simulation.

They dive into the persistent challenge of self-performing versus partnering with specialized integrators, the critical skills shortage commanding 30-40% salary premiums, and why AI is both accelerating security challenges and offering new solutions.

Simon reveals how private equity firms are finally prioritizing OT cybersecurity at the board level, discusses the emerging OT SOC landscape, and explains why the traditional IT security budget model is failing operational technology environments.

The conversation addresses the disconnect between IT leadership and the OT ecosystem, the proliferation of unmanaged remote access technologies, and the urgent need for manufacturers to engage their trusted system integrators and OEMs as cybersecurity partners before the next major incident occurs.

Chapters:

1. (00:00:00) - Meet Simon : From Claroty's Hypergrowth to OT Security's Next Chapter
2. (00:02:00) - The Commoditization of OT Asset Visibility
3. (00:04:00) - Two Major Industry Shifts: Right and Left
4. (00:07:00) - The Self-Performing Problem: Why OT Security Becomes Shelfware
5. (00:10:00) - IT/OT Convergence and the Skills Gap Crisis
6. (00:13:00) - Secure by Design and the AI Leapfrog
7. (00:15:00) - AI Uncovers Hidden OT Vulnerabilities and Risks
8. (00:18:00) - Funding Models and Private Equity's Cybersecurity Awakening
9. (00:22:00) - Why the OT Ecosystem Must Drive Its Own Security Strategy
10. (00:25:00) - M&A Activity and Consolidation in OT Cybersecurity
11. (00:27:00) - The Rise of OT SOCs and MSP Partnerships

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Craig and Dino recap their experience at S4X26, the leading global OT cybersecurity conference in Miami.

They discuss the conference's "connected" theme and how AI is creating an inflection point in industrial cybersecurity, driving unprecedented connectivity between IT and OT environments.

The hosts explore the challenges of the "silver tsunami" as experienced engineers retire, how AI-powered tools are being embedded directly into edge devices and industrial products from vendors like Cisco and Fortinet, and why the regulatory landscape in Europe is advancing faster than other regions.

They emphasize the importance of connecting with peers and partners in the OT security community, highlight key vendors and technologies showcased at the event, and explain why both IT and OT professionals should attend S4X together to bridge the knowledge gap.

The episode concludes with details about next year's expanded conference in Tampa, February 8-11.

Chapters:

1. (00:00:00) - Random Encounter with Team USA Hockey in Miami
2. (00:01:00) - S4X26 Conference Kickoff: The "Connected" Theme
3. (00:03:00) - AI as the Inflection Point for OT Connectivity
4. (00:05:00) - AI Embedded in Edge Devices and Vendor Technologies
5. (00:07:00) - First-Time Attendee Experiences and Key Takeaways
6. (00:10:00) - Europe's Cyber Resiliency Act and Regulatory Advancements
7. (00:12:00) - Vendor Presence and the OT Technology Marketplace
8. (00:14:00) - S4X27 Moving to Tampa: February 8-11, 2027
9. (00:16:00) - AI's Role in Addressing the Silver Tsunami
10. (00:18:00) - Final Thoughts: Why IT and OT Teams Should Attend Together

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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As we look back, Craig and Dino tackle a critical disconnect in industrial cybersecurity: the failure to share OT security tool data with the people who actually need it.

They explore why IT teams often purchase and deploy OT IDS platforms without engaging plant floor teams, system integrators, and OEMs who are actively working in manufacturing environments.

The conversation reveals that 85% of data collected by these tools is meant for OT teams to act on, yet it rarely reaches them.

They discuss the consequences of this siloed approach—including system integrators bringing their own tools to fill the gap—and provide practical advice on achieving true IT/OT convergence.

The episode emphasizes the importance of working with partners who can "build the car" rather than just "sell the car," and challenges organizations to evaluate whether they're truly practicing IT/OT convergence or just paying lip service to it.

Chapters:

1. (00:00:00) - The Data Sharing Problem in OT Cybersecurity
2. (00:01:00) - Why System Integrators Can't Access Security Tool Data
3. (00:04:00) - Who's Keeping the Data and Why
4. (00:08:00) - The IT/OT Oil and Water Problem
5. (00:11:00) - When System Integrators Bring Their Own Tools
6. (00:14:00) - Questions to Ask Your Cybersecurity Partners
7. (00:17:00) - The Car Analogy: Buyers vs. Builders
8. (00:19:00) - Who Asset Owners Really Trust
9. (00:21:00) - The Three-Legged Stool of OT Security
10. (00:23:00) - The Path to True IT/OT Convergence

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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LuRae Lumpkin, Producer of Industrial Cybersecurity Insider, sits down with industrial cybersecurity expert Dino Busalachi to break down the 2026 World Economic Forum Global Cybersecurity Outlook Report and what it really means for manufacturers.

While the report surveyed nearly a thousand CEOs, CIOs, and CISOs, Dino reveals a critical blind spot: industrial control systems and OT environments are being left dangerously exposed.

They discuss how AI is becoming a double-edged sword for attackers and defenders, why supply chain vulnerabilities remain unaddressed, the shocking lack of cybersecurity skills on plant floors, and why most companies still aren't conducting incident response exercises.

Dino shares real-world insights from working in nearly 2,000 plants over four decades, explaining why IT and OT remain disconnected, how remote access creates massive security gaps, and why outdated equipment with decades-old vulnerabilities sits unpatched in critical manufacturing environments.

The conversation reveals that while enterprises focus on IT security, the plant floor—where revenue is actually generated—remains critically vulnerable, with potentially catastrophic consequences for businesses, supply chains, and even national GDP.

Chapters:

(00:00:00) - Introduction and Overview of WEF 2026 Cybersecurity Report

(00:01:00) - Where Cybersecurity Funding Actually Goes: IT vs OT Reality

(00:03:00) - The Myth of Disconnected Legacy Equipment (00:05:00) - AI as a Double-Edged Sword in Industrial Environments

(00:08:00) - The Vulnerability Crisis: Thousands of Unpatched Systems

(00:09:00) - Third-Party and Supply Chain Security Gaps

(00:12:00) - Remote Access: The Hidden Attack Vector

(00:14:00) - Critical Supplier Dependencies and Decentralized OT

(00:15:00) - The Skills Gap: Why Industrial Cybersecurity Expertise is Scarce

(00:19:00) - The Shocking Truth About Incident Response Exercises

(00:22:00) - Real-World Impact: When Manufacturers Get Hit

(00:24:00) - Getting All Stakeholders in the Same Room

(00:28:00) - Insurance vs Prevention: The True Cost of Cyber Incidents

(00:29:00) - Final Thoughts: Who Should Own OT Cybersecurity?

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Craig and Dino tackle the critical differences between IT and OT Security Operations Centers, revealing why traditional IT-centric SOCs are failing to protect manufacturing environments.

Drawing from real-world examples, including a global beverage company that discovered they were only monitoring one-third of their OT assets, the hosts expose the fundamental disconnect between IT security teams and operational technology environments.

They discuss why IT SOCs struggle with OT visibility, the challenges of asset inventory in dynamic manufacturing environments, and the critical importance of localization in security operations.

The conversation covers practical barriers like line changeovers, PLC modifications, remote access vulnerabilities, and the need for OT-specific incident response protocols.

Craig and Dino emphasize that effective OT security requires IT teams to become embedded in plant operations, working collaboratively with OEMs and system integrators, and understanding the unique operational context of manufacturing assets.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, plant managers, and security professionals trying to bridge the IT-OT security gap.

Chapters:

1. (00:00:00) - The Two-Thirds Problem: When Your SOC Can't See Your Plant Floor
2. (00:01:00) - The OT SOC Asset Visibility Problem: A Case Study
3. (00:03:00) - Why IT SOCs Can't Manage OT Assets
4. (00:05:00) - Line Changeovers and Operational Context
5. (00:07:00) - First Responders and Incident Response Challenges
6. (00:10:00) - The WannaCry Response Gap
7. (00:12:00) - Asset Inventory and Baseline Challenges
8. (00:15:00) - Incident Response and Phone Trees
9. (00:17:00) - Organizational Accountability Problems
10. (00:19:00) - Greenfield Opportunities and Standardization
11. (00:22:00) - The IT-OT Collaboration Challenge
12. (00:24:00) - Think Global, Act Local: Embedding IT in Plants

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Dino and Craig reunite to tackle the shifts occuring in industrial cybersecurity in 2026.

They discuss how OT-focused IDS software companies are shifting away from managed services to partner with systems integrators who understand the plant floor.

The conversation explores the challenges manufacturers face—from aging infrastructure spanning decades to flat layer-2 networks that give remote vendors unrestricted access.

They emphasize that IT departments cannot effectively manage OT assets they don't own or understand, especially when dealing with equipment older than their cybersecurity staff.

The episode covers the pitfalls of penetration testing in live manufacturing environments, the reality of shadow IT versus shadow OT, and why EDR solutions struggle in control system environments.

Dino and Craig stress the importance of treating cybersecurity as a marathon rather than a sprint, starting with basic asset inventory and microsegmentation.

They call on manufacturing leaders to stop deferring to IT for OT security, attend industry-specific conferences like S4X26, and partner with systems integrators who have deep automation expertise.

With threats mounting, the time for action is now—not next quarter.

Chapters:

1. (00:00:00) - Welcome & What We've Been Up To
2. (00:00:48) - The Big Shift: Why OT IDS Companies Are Backing Away From Managed Services
3. (00:03:00) - The Shelfware Problem: When Security Tools Sit Unused
4. (00:04:12) - Why Pen Testing Can Be Disruptive (or Dangerous) in Manufacturing Environments
5. (00:05:54) - The Reality of Legacy Infrastructure: Equipment Older Than Your Cybersecurity Team
6. (00:07:43) - Who Can Actually Patch Your Control Systems?
7. (00:09:04) - Supply Chain Vulnerabilities: You're Only as Strong as Your Weakest Link
8. (00:11:01) - The Last Mile Challenge: Asset Inventory, Microsegmentation & Starting Small
9. (00:13:55) - The Shelfware to Tool-Switching Problem: Why Companies Are Reconsidering Their First Choice
10. (00:16:18) - Shadow IT vs. Shadow OT: Who Really Owns Plant Floor Security?
11. (00:19:00) - Why EDR Struggles in Control System Environments
12. (00:21:35) - Time to Step Up: Why Manufacturing Leaders Can't Defer to IT Anymore
13. (00:23:00) - Where to Learn: S4, Automation Fair, and Why You Need to Attend Industry Conferences
14. (00:25:00) - Finding the Right Partner: Systems Integrators Who Speak Automation and Cybersecurity
15. (00:27:00) - Final Thoughts: The Time for Action Is Now

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Dino sits down with Dick Wilkinson, CTO and co-founder of Proof Labs, to explore the intersection of space technology and industrial cybersecurity.

Dick shares his 20-year journey in the U.S. Army with the National Security Agency, transitioning from signals intelligence to becoming a CISO for critical infrastructure organizations, including New Mexico's Supreme Court and the Albuquerque water authority.

The conversation dives deep into the challenges of securing satellite systems with onboard intrusion detection and the persistent gap between IT and OT security teams. We also explore why the "castle wall" perimeter security model is dangerously outdated.

Dick reveals how AI is lowering the barrier to entry for both attackers and defenders, and discusses the real-world applications of satellite communications in oil and gas operations.

He also introduces a revolutionary physical layer-one air gap device called Goldilock Secure, which could transform how we protect remote industrial assets.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, CTOs, and security leaders looking to understand emerging threats in space-based infrastructure and practical solutions for securing distributed industrial environments.

Chapters:

1. (00:00:00) - Dick's Journey: From NSA to Space Cybersecurity
2. (00:04:32) - What is Proof Labs and Why Space Security Matters
3. (00:08:15) - Satellites as OT Assets: Oil, Gas, and Critical Infrastructure
4. (00:12:47) - How Onboard Intrusion Detection Works in Spacecraft
5. (00:16:23) - The Castle Wall Problem: Moving Beyond Perimeter Security
6. (00:19:41) - IT vs OT: Bridging the Gap in Manufacturing Cybersecurity
7. (00:24:18) - AI's Impact: Lowering the Barrier for Attackers and Defenders
8. (00:27:35) - The Visibility Challenge: Why Most Plants Don't Know Their Assets
9. (00:30:12) - Goldilock Firebreak: A Physical Air Gap Device That Changes Everything
10. (00:35:20) - Real-World Applications for Remote Industrial Asset Protection

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Dick Wilkinson on LinkedIn
3. Proof Labs Website
4. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
5. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
6. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
7. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
8. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Dino sits down with Adeel Shaikh Muhammad, a Dubai-based cybersecurity expert and researcher with 16+ years in IT and OT security. They dive into why IT and OT teams still can't communicate effectively.

The conversation reveals why most CISOs struggle to secure manufacturing environments. Adeel shares real-world insights from securing industrial systems across the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.

They tackle the implementation gap in OT SOCs and why legacy systems remain vulnerable. The discussion covers third-party access risks, OEM warranty restrictions, and system integrator challenges.

AI might finally solve IT-OT convergence by acting as a translator between these worlds. But first, organizations need to master the fundamentals: asset inventory, vulnerability management, and network segmentation.

Most companies still haven't nailed these basics in their industrial environments. This conversation cuts through the hype to focus on what actually works.

Chapters:

1. (00:00:00) - 16 Years in Cybersecurity: Why CISOs Don't Know What a PLC Is
2. (00:01:48) - Career Journey: From IT to OT Cybersecurity Focus
3. (00:02:48) - Books on AI Transforming Security Operations Centers
4. (00:04:44) - The Implementation Gap: Challenges Building OT SOCs
5. (00:06:40) - The IT-OT Cultural Divide and Missing Communication
6. (00:08:40) - Why the OT Ecosystem Must Proactively Bring Cybersecurity Tools
7. (00:10:00) - Can IT-OT Convergence Actually Happen?
8. (00:11:00) - AI as the Bridge: The Black Box Solution for IT-OT Communication
9. (00:12:42) - Legacy Systems Reality: Windows 7 Running $5M Equipment
10. (00:14:00) - OT Cybersecurity Conferences: S4, Intersec, and Rockwell Automation Fair
11. (00:16:00) - Market Consolidation: Who's Been Acquired in OT Security
12. (00:17:48) - Back to Basics: Asset Inventory, Vulnerabilities, and Network Segmentation
13. (00:18:40) - Third-Party Access Control and OEM Warranty Restrictions
14. (00:20:40) - Why We Can't Ignore Asset Inventory and Segmentation in OT Anymore

Links And Resources:

1. Adeel Shaikh Muhammad on LinkedIn
2. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
3. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
4. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
5. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
6. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
7. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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Craig and Dino tackle one of industrial cybersecurity's most critical challenges in this Rewind episode: the massive gap between IT and OT patching strategies.

IT organizations patch constantly—think Patch Tuesday. OT environments rarely patch at all, creating dangerous vulnerability gaps across connected networks.

The hosts explore why this disconnect exists. Production floor downtime costs are astronomical, making patching a risky business decision.

OEM restrictions complicate matters further. Many vendors won't support systems or warranties after unauthorized updates.

Managing decades-old equipment alongside modern systems creates another layer of complexity. Legacy PLCs weren't designed with patching in mind.

The consequences of not patching are mounting. Insurance companies are tightening requirements and regulatory pressures are intensifying.

Craig and Dino offer practical solutions that don't require shutting down production lines. Virtual patching technologies can protect legacy control systems without traditional software updates.

The hosts emphasize the urgent need for IT-OT collaboration. All stakeholders—including OEMs and system integrators—must be part of strategic cybersecurity conversations.

This episode is essential listening for CISOs, plant managers, and anyone responsible for protecting industrial operations. The connected world isn't waiting for OT to catch up.

Chapters:

1. 00:00:00 - Introduction to Patching Challenges
2. 00:01:08 - IT vs OT Patching: Key Differences
3. 00:02:55 - Understanding the Cost of Downtime in OT
4. 00:03:32 - Overcoming Challenges with Legacy Systems
5. 00:05:21 - Navigating OEMs and Safety Concerns
6. 00:06:45 - The Role of Safety in OT Patching
7. 00:08:52 - Exploring Virtual Patching Solutions
8. 00:13:11 - Enhancing Vendor Collaboration and Risk Management
9. 00:16:48 - Impact of Mergers and Acquisitions on Cybersecurity
10. 00:18:33 - Addressing Insurance and Compliance Issues
11. 00:20:12 - Significant Consequences of Not Patching
12. 00:23:14 - Building an Effective Collaborative Cybersecurity Strategy
13. 00:24:03 - Conclusion and Actionable Insights

Links And Resources:

1. Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.
2. Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedIn
3. Cybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedIn
4. BW Design Group Cybersecurity
5. Dino Busalachi on LinkedIn
6. Craig Duckworth on LinkedIn

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