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Laws, Lessons, and the Future of Construction Risk

In part two of our conversation with Karen A. Frankel, we explore how wrap-up programs developed into the systems the industry uses today. Karen breaks down the legal decisions, construction trends, and administrative lessons that shaped the evolution of OCIP and CCIP programs across the last several decades.

She highlights the early challenges that forced innovation, the misunderstandings that still create risk, and the shifts in construction practice that continue to influence how wrap-ups are priced, structured, and managed.

In this episode:

• How state statutes and early case law shaped the language of wrap-up programs
• Why policy, contract language, and manual alignment is essential for program success
• How fast track construction changed pricing, documentation, and project risk
• What drove the development of alternate bid methods and deduct evaluation
• Why misunderstandings around deductibles, aggregate limits, and completed operations still threaten wrap-up outcomes
• Where the future of wrap-up administration may be headed as technology and risk evolve

For anyone working with OCIP, CCIP, contractor risk, or construction insurance, this conversation offers clarity on how wrap-ups grew, what the industry learned, and what must improve moving forward.

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How Karen A. Frankel Shaped an Industry

How did modern wrap-ups come to be? In this episode, we sit down with Karen A. Frankel, a nationally recognized authority in construction insurance with nearly fifty years of experience, to trace the origins of wrap-up programs and the systems that still shape the industry today.

Karen began her career in the 1970s as a project accountant before becoming Minnesota’s first female estimator and project manager. Her transition into the insurance world placed her at the center of the earliest OCIP, CCIP, and general liability wrap-up programs. From manual enrollment processes and handwritten ledgers to the first national administration systems, Karen helped transform wrap-ups into a structured and scalable approach that contractors and owners still rely on.

In this conversation, Karen shares stories from the early days of project insurance, the challenges of fast-track construction, the emergence of deduct and add alternate bidding, and the behind-the-scenes realities that shaped today’s wrap-up practices. Her perspective offers rare insight into the origins of an entire segment of the industry and the innovation required to build it.

In this episode you will learn:

• How wrap-ups emerged after World War II and why they became essential for large projects
• The role Karen played in developing early administration systems and bid alternate strategies
• What construction risk management looked like before technology and automation
• Why early wrap-up programs required extensive manual processes and on-site coordination
• How industry consolidation and new broker practices influenced wrap-up growth
• The innovations and lessons that still guide wrap-up administration today

Whether you are a construction risk professional, an insurance leader, or someone who works with wrap-up programs, this episode delivers a detailed look at the history, structure, and evolution of the practices that support modern project insurance.

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Virgil Tataru of Findevor on the Future of Insurance AI

In this episode of Inside Insight, hosts Trevor Casey and Beau Lunceford dive deep into the technology behind Findevor’s groundbreaking AI platform with Virgil Tataru, Co-Founder& CTO of Findevor.

Before launching Findevor, Virgil spent five years as a Machine Learning Engineer at Amazon, where he helped designlarge-scale AI systems used in everything from predictive analytics to search optimization. Today, he’s applying that same expertise to the world of insurance — building agentic AI tools that help carriers improve risk analysis, automate data intelligence, and uncover hidden opportunities in theirportfolios.

Virgil breaks down what makes Findevor’s approach to AI different, how his team ensures enterprise-grade data security, and why curiosity and continuous learning are key to developing technology that can think like an underwriter.

In this conversation:

• What “agentic AI” really means — and how it’s transforming underwriting
• How Findevor is bridging advanced machine learning with real-world insurance needs
• The technical challenges of data security, model training, and integration
• Why the future of InsurTech depends on collaboration between humans and AI

For the business and strategy perspective behind Findevor’s success, listen to “The Algorithm of Advantage” with Alex Valdes of Findevor.

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Alex Valdes of Findevor on the Future of Underwriting

In this episode of Inside Insight, Trevor Casey and Beau Lunceford sit down with Alex Valdes, Co-Founder & CEO of Findevor, to explore how agentic AI is redefining the way insurers analyze risk, price coverage, and make portfolio decisions.

With a career that bridges FinTech, data analytics, and InsurTech innovation, Alex brings a rare perspective onwhat it means to build technology that not only automates but truly augments human intelligence. He explains how Findevor’s AI-driven underwriting platform helps carriers unlock profitable growth by turning unstructured data intoactionable insights — in minutes instead of months.

This episode explores the business side of AI adoption in insurance: how carriers can embrace new technology withoutlosing the human element that makes underwriting work.

In this conversation:

• How agentic AI gives underwriters a digital data analyst at their fingertips
• Why automation is the key to unlocking smarter, faster decision-making
• The balance between innovation, trust, and data security in insurance technology
• What it takes to lead transformation in an industry built on legacy systems

For a look inside the engineering and machine learning powering Findevor’s technology, listen to “Brave New Code”with Virgil Tataru of Findevor.

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How Insight Risk Is Reinventing Builders Risk

What happens when insurance and innovation finally speak the same language? In this episode of Inside Insight, hosts Beau Lunceford and Trevor Casey sit down with Chad Hollingsworth, co-founder and president of Insight Risk Technologies, to explore how IoT and smart data are changing the way we manage builders risk.

Chad shares how his background in wearable tech and construction safety led to founding Insight Risk — an MGA and technology company redefining loss prevention for the construction industry. From water damage sensors to deductible buy-down programs, this episode unpacks how technology is making job sites safer, smarter, and more profitable.

Tune in to learn:

• What an MGA really is — and why it’s the fastest way to innovate in insurance
• How IoT sensors prevent water damage, freezing pipes, and seven-figure losses
• Why Insight Risk’s technology-backed model rewards proactive risk management
• The story behind Insight Risk’s new deductible buy-down solution
• How automation and data insights are building the future of construction insurance

This conversation is a masterclass in collaboration between insurance, construction, and technology — proving that innovation doesn’t just reduce risk, it transforms it.

Listen now to discover how you can keep your projects safer, your losses lower, and your coverage smarter.

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Rocio Luna on Evolving Risk Management

Season 3 of the Inside Insight Podcast kicks off with the return of one of our most popular guests: Rocio Luna! Known for her expertise in workers’ compensation, wrap-ups, and risk management strategy, Rocio joins us to unpack how the rules of risk are shifting in today’s construction and insurance landscape.

From navigating OCIPs and CCIPs to understanding how safety, claims, and broker relationships impact every project, Rocio reveals the pressures shaping contractors, subcontractors, and risk managers right now. We also dive into how wrap-ups affect X-Mods, what new GCs should know before they start, and why builders’ risk and even cyber liability are becoming impossible to ignore.

Whether you’re a broker, risk manager, or construction leader, this conversation will give you new perspective on what it takes to stay ahead of evolving risks and why the next phase of risk management looks very different from the past.

🎧 Tune in to hear how Rocio Luna is redefining risk and why her insights are reshaping conversations across the industry.

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Season 2 Finale!

It’s a wrap on Season 2 of the Inside Insight Podcast presented by CR Solutions! In this special season finale, hosts Beau and Trevor reflect on the highlights, innovations, and standout moments that made this season one for the books. From groundbreaking industry discussions to incredible guest appearances, this season pushed the boundaries of how we talk about insurance, technology, and risk management.

But don’t worry, we’re just getting started! Tune in for an exclusive sneak peek at what’s coming in Season 3, including returning fan-favorite guests, exciting new voices, and panel discussions that will dive even deeper into the challenges and opportunities shaping our industry.

In This Episode, You’ll Hear About:

• Key takeaways and memorable moments from Season 2.
• Behind-the-scenes insights into producing the podcast.
• Exciting announcements about returning guests, including Bryson Hammer and Rocio Luna.
• New content formats coming in Season 3 (think panel discussions and expert roundtables!)
• How you can shape future episodes by submitting your ideas and questions.

We’ll be taking a short summer break, but Season 3 kicks off this fall with fresh content, new perspectives, and even more expert insights to keep you ahead of the curve. Want to be part of the conversation? Reach out through our website at www.c-r-solutions.com/podcast or email us at [email protected].

Thanks for listening, and until next time, stay covered!

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Mike Yovino’s Approach to Leadership and Legacy

In this episode of the Inside Insight Podcast, we sit down with insurance industry leader Mike Yovino to explore his 25-year journey through retail and wholesale brokerage—and the lessons learned along the way. Mike shares how he found his niche in construction wrap-ups, built a collaborative culture at Jencap, and redefined success by mentoring the next generation.

This candid conversation is packed with practical insights on leadership, burnout recovery, and the art of building strong client relationships in a competitive landscape.

• Tune in to hear about: Mike's unconventional entry into insurance and path to EVP at Jencap
• The evolution of wrap-up programs and how to build umbrella towers
• Why coverage—not price—should drive placement decisions
• Mike’s philosophy on sharing clients, mentoring new brokers, and creating long-term partnerships
• Burnout in high-pressure roles—and how Mike restructured his career to rediscover joy
• Building a "bigger pie" mindset: team wins, transparency, and healthy growth
• How Jencap fosters a culture of innovation, collaboration, and fun
• What the next generation of brokers need to thrive in today’s market

This episode is for brokers, underwriters, and insurance professionals ready to rethink tradition, nurture talent, and grow with intention.

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How RH Business Ventures is Redefining Risk 

In this episode of the Inside Insight Podcast, we sit down with Rose Hall, Founder and CEO of RH Business Ventures, to explore how she’s transforming risk management into a strategic advantage for the construction and insurance industries. With 25+ years of experience—including leadership roles at AXA XL, Turner Construction, and Gallagher Bassett—Rose has become a trailblazer at the intersection of innovation, technology, and enterprise risk strategy. 

From startups to Fortune 500s, Rose shares how she uses a "matchmaking" approach to connect technology developers, brokers, insurers, and end users—driving measurable results and building smarter businesses. 

Whether you're a risk professional, startup founder, or business leader, this conversation will challenge how you think about risk and inspire you to reimagine it as a tool for growth, not just protection. 

In this episode, we cover: 

• How RH Business Ventures supports the full risk value chain—from startups to enterprise 

• Why companies must integrate technology into risk strategy to stay competitive 

• Common pitfalls in InsurTech adoption (and how to avoid them) 

• How to define the right problem before choosing a solution 

• The difference between managing risk defensively vs. strategically 

• Trends in construction, insurance, and risk that are shaping the future 

• The importance of human connection and mentorship in innovation leadership 

Don’t miss this bold and forward-thinking conversation. 

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Redefining Risk Management in Construction with BLDX 

How can AI revolutionize risk management in the construction industry? In this episode of Inside Insight, we sit down with Ryan Howsam, Founder & CEO of Buildx, to explore how artificial intelligence is changing the way construction companies, insurers, and project managers mitigate risk and prevent costly claims. 

What you’ll learn in this episode: 

• How AI is transforming risk assessment and insurance in construction 

• The hidden costs of construction claims—and how data can prevent them 

• Why traditional project documentation leaves blind spots in underwriting 

• The rise of agentic AI and how it’s shifting from conversation to automation 

• The impact of AI on real-time monitoring and predictive risk detection 

• How companies can start using AI without overhauling existing systems 

With over 25 years in the construction industry, Ryan shares his journey from working in the trades to launching a cutting-edge AI platform that eliminates blind spots in construction projects. If you're curious about AI’s real-world applications and how it can reduce claims, increase efficiency, and drive smarter decision-making, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. 

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