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Andy is joined by Jordan Flowers, Executive Director of the Disclosure Foundation, for a serious and detailed look at the true state of UAP disclosure. Jordan shares how he entered the subject after the 2017 New York Times article, and how his background in finance and consulting now informs the Foundation’s work in legal support, FOIA litigation, policy briefs, congressional engagement, and public education.

The conversation explores whistleblower protection, retaliation concerns, congressional realities, media misinformation, and what meaningful transparency could look like. Jordan also discusses the potential impact of the Age of Disclosure documentary and the growing political capital surrounding the issue.

A clear and insightful episode for anyone wanting to understand how disclosure actually progresses behind the scenes.

Check out the organisation here - https://disclosure.org/

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