Inside with Brett Hawke

William & Mary is considered one of the most prestigious academic schools in the country. You may have heard of some of their famous alumni...

Thomas Jefferson. James Monroe. John Tyler. 

America's brightest swimmers don't go to W&M for the scholarships because there are none. 

And they certainly don't go for the facilities -- the pool is not worthy of the accomplishments that Tribe Swimming has achieved.

They attend W&M because the people that go to W&M are a special kind of people. One could say they are from the same Tribe...

Brett welcomes Rich Williams from the W&M Class of '98 on the podcast to help spread the word to SAVE TRIBE SWIMMING!

Go to savetribeswimming.com to donate today!

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Jonty Skinner didn't get to swim at the 1976 Olympics because South Africa was banned. But a few weeks after the Olympics ended, he broke Jim Montgomery's world record in the 100 Free by over half a second.

Jonty left South Africa to swim for the University of Alabama where he was an NCAA Champion under Don Gambril. Over the next decades he would have several coaching stints at Bama as well as time spent with USA Swimming as the National Team Head Coach and Director of Performance Science and Technology. He was inducted into the ASCA Hall of Fame in 2017.

If you've never been to Alabama before...nothing is more important than War Eagle vs. Roll Tide. 

The former rival coaches in the great state of Alabama discuss...

In 1976, you were not allowed to compete at the Olympics. How'd that feel? South Africa had been banned since 1964.

"It didn't bother me that much...I knew growing up it wasn't going to happen." - Jonty Skinner

Don Gambril told me I needed a year to adapt to the training. "I was a 2."

Being relieved after breaking the world record. What helped me remember was listening to Mel Stewart interview BJ Bedford. 

Finding each athlete's motivation. Improving each athlete on a holistic level. Really get to know them. 

Creating a seasonal plan and understanding what goes into that. One of the best pieces of advice Brett got as a young coach from David Marsh. 

When does the book come out?! Maybe next summer.

Zane Waddell calls Jonty a wizard. How do you get wizard status?

What are the must haves, the must dos for a swim coach?

I love speed and I love freestyle: so how do we get faster? Can we go 20.0 and 46.0 in the 50 and 100?

The evolution of freestyle. Stuck in high elbow. Tech suits came around and blew that out of the water. 

Caeleb Dressel.

How do you coach an athlete to believe they can beat the unbeatable? 

Never met Nick Saban. 

And much more!

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In 2012, Yannick Agnel dominated the 200 Free at the London Olympics. So when he abruptly retired at the age of 24, it was a shock to the swimming world. He left to pursue his other curiosities. Today, living in Paris, Yannick is the director for an esports academy, just finished his first novel, and will lead the French broadcasting team for Tokyo 2020. 

Show Notes:

How do you have such great English? Can speak a little bit of everything. 

"I don't like to study, I like to learn." - Yannick Agnel

Pre-2012.

Watching him in 2000, Ian Thorpe was his first memory of swimming. 

Grew up in Nimes. Moved to Nice swim for Fabrice Pellerin. 

What was training like? Swimming with music that would have specific tempos. "Technically speaking, I think it was one of the best squads in the world." - Yannick Agnel

Didn't start lifting weights and doing serious drylands until he was 16, 17.

Fabrice is a master technician -- the best in the world. We did stuff in France that nobody did back then. We swam on Sundays. 

Coach-Athlete Relationship: it can bring great success but not enduring success. 

Leading up to 2012 how were you mentally. Finding a balance between swimming and life by going to business school.

Beating Phelps in the 200 Free at the EDF meet in 2010. "I never let anyone beat me ever no matter what shape I'm in." - Michael Phelps

Arriving at the Olympics Yannick wasn't afraid. His training partners already prepared him and he knew his worth. 

Anchoring the gold medal winning 4x100 Free Relay. "Relay Culture".

Fabien Gilot. Amaury Leveaux was our Dennis Rodman.

Using practice goggles at the Olympics prevented Agnel from seeing past Ryan Lochte. 

Dropping the 400 Free made all the difference. 

Camille Muffat. 

Danas Rapšys.

Sun Yang.

Bob Bowman.

And much more!

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James Guy, World Champion and Olympic medalist from Great Britain, swings in for a chat. They talk about Kosuke Hagino, 200 Free race strategy, and loads of practice sets.

Show Notes:

Part of the National Center in Bath. Lives with Freya Anderson. Bath is an hour West of London. 

Recent coaching change. Why not leave England? Swimming with David McNulty.

Growing up going to school and swimming at Millfield with Joel. 

6x200's best ave @ 3:00

Kosuke Hagino Trains on a Different Level

2015 Kazan World Championships Winning the 200 Free against. Ryan Lochte. Sun Yang. Paul Biedermann. Chad Le Clos.

"Do the work for the 4, race the 2." - James Guy

200 Free strategy.

Thinking differently like Richard Quick and Ian Thorpe.

What do you think of when you think of Adam Peaty. 

"I think of him as one of the boys you know, just a normal lad, who, obviously, trains like an absolute tiger." - James Guy 

You haven't had a stand out win since 2015. Where have you struggled in the last 5 years?

Losing some confidence. "This is not the real James Guy." - James Guy

Training with Tom Dean. 

What do you do in training for fly? Lots of aerobic/threshold butterfly. 

30x50's 4 Fly on @ :35 , 1 Backstroke SCM.

"To do things fast, you gotta do things slow." - James Guy

Do you ever do 100's fly in practice? All the time.

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Katie McLaughlin is one of USA's top swimmers in the 100 and 200 Fly and Free. She's currently swimming for the LA Current of the International Swimming League.

Still training in Berkeley, California where she swam in college. How's the air quality up there due to the fires? What did you get your degree in?

What was it like growing up with athletic parents? They wouldn't let me specialize. Katie loves soccer.

But she always knew swimming was her true love. She loved the social aspect.

Being relieved at 2013 World Trials after getting 3rd in the 2 Fly.

What was it like being one of the top recruits? Why'd you choose Cal?

Swam for Bill Rose at Mission Viejo. What was different under Teri McKeever?

Advice for high school swimmers getting recruited.

How has Teri taught you to be a great teammate? How does she push you? Coaching to be the best racers not the best trainers.

Breaking her neck as a Freshman. Why don't you like talking about it?

Who got the best out of you on the team? Amy Bilquist. Kathleen Baker. Jenna Campbell.

What motivates you? Finding new ways to become the best swimmer I can be.

How was year 1 of the ISL swimming for the LA Current? SCM was fun. Heading to Budapest for 6 weeks. 

Do you have a love hate relationship with the 2 Fly? Not defining my swimming career around 1 event. 

100 Fly and 200 Free

What's going on in your head behind the blocks?

Talk to me about Jack Roach.

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Mel Marshall is the Head Coach of the London Roar. Adam Peaty, Luke Greenbank, and now Anna Hopkin swim under Mel's guidance at Loughborough University, where British Swimming houses 1 of its 3 high performance centers. 

Give us an update. What is happening right now with your team?

"It's just a privilege to be able to go and race." - Mel Marshall

Mel thinks 6 weeks of racing is great prep for the Olympics

Will know more by Friday, Sept 18. If Australians can't come, they will need to fill their rosters ASAP. 

Talk to me about your own swimming career. How has it helped you as a coach?

Communicating as a coach. Coaching with masculine traits and feminine traits.

In 2004, you were the #1 ranked swimmer in the world going into the Olympics. What happened?

Periodizing your positive communication to your athletes.

All about Adam Peaty...

Adam Peaty 50's Set

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Maddy "Mad Dog"  Banic is a professional swimmer for Energy Standard. She is an 18x NCAA All American from the University of Tennessee and still trains with the UT pro group under Matt Kredich.

Last year she got called up by the LA Current. But that was last year...

Brett and Maddy discuss...

How do I contact an ISL team? How do I get recognized by an ISL team? Go 50.6 in the 100 Fly and put it on social media. 

That video got picked up by SwimSwam, Maddy got noticed and signed with Energy Standard.

How has practice been like since corona virus? Everything is different. Nutrition. Strength. Swimming.

Sprint focused practices. Going fast when it is time to go fast. 

"I'm a gym rat." - Maddy Banic

You don't need to get stronger, you need to get faster.

Blood flow restriction devices. 

What makes Matt Kredich a great coach? "He cares about you as a person." - Maddy Banic

Being a Pro Swimmer. Going from college team player to selfish individual.

"I played around a lot with my nutrition a lot during quarantine." - Maddy Banic

How did you figure out the nutrition thing?

Learning how to shop is a skill.

Maddy has become an outspoken leader about her attempted suicide and struggle with depression and anxiety. She dives deep into what it's like to confront this almost every day and accepting that some days will be better than others. 

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Emma McKeon individually won Bronze in the 200 Free at the Rio Olympics. She's won Gold on relays in the Olympics, at World Championships, Pan Pacs, and Commonwealth Games. She's one of Australia's most impressive swimmers and an intricate part of their continued relay success. 

They talk about...

Training at Griffith University on the Gold Coast.

Dad was an Olympic swimmer. Mum and Uncles swam. Brother is an Olympian still training. 

Parents owned a swim school when she was growing up but they never put any pressure on her.

Emma lives and trains with her brother, David.

Coaching changes. "I wanted to train with a bigger squad."

You remind me of Susie O'Neill.

"I don't look back." - Emma McKeon

Being a great relay swimmer since she was little.

Missing the Olympian team. "I didn't deserve to go I hardly trained."

What did you learn from your coaches Vince and Bohl?

How do you know your coach believes in you?

Talk to me about taper.

What's one swim you felt was your best? 2017 World Championships, 100 Fly.

What event is your baby?

How do you go 1:54 in the 200 Free? We do a lot of lactate. Example sets.

How do you train fly?

Strength training.

Self belief and being humble.

Breaking down before the 200 Free in Rio. 

Do you think you would have won in Tokyo?

I'm aiming for both the 100 Fly and 200 Free.

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Maxime Rooney is one of the world's top swimmers in both the 100/200 Free and 100/200 Fly. He recently transferred from Florida to Texas but unfortunately missed out on his Senior year of NCAA Championships due to COVID-19. He signed with the LA Current for the 2nd season of the International Swimming League and is focused on Tokyo 2021.

Brett and Maxime sit down and discuss...

His Family comes First. Being half Belgian, Half Filipino.

Grew up with a pool in the backyard. Swam for Fireballs Summer League Team and then Steve Morsilli and the Pleasanton Seahawks.

Celina Li.

Backstroke. Diet. Goal oriented.

Summer of 2015: 3 part plan. Came to practice 45 mins early every day to get in an extra 500 to 1000 to get ready for practice.

"Believe you belong."

1:47.10

200 Free Race Strategy

Listened to Ian Thorpe and believes he is right.

Being friends with Kyle Chalmers. 

"The things that made you successful will continue to make you successful." - Maxime Rooney

Why'd you choose Florida? His growth and time at Florida. Learned, "what it means to work hard the Florida way". 15-16K a day.

Wants to be a coach.

Lifting with Matt DeLancey. 

People were surprised you transferred to Texas. You swam really fast immediately. Why?

Stopped drinking milk and could only swim 5 practices a week.

Currently only training 6 practices a week.

Where do you feel the most comfortable in terms of events? 100-200 Free and Fly.

Likes to train everything to confuse his muscles.

What is Eddie Reese's special sauce? What makes him the greatest coach in the swimming history?

Think you would have made the Olympic Team, made the podium if the Olympics went on this year?

"What's the point of playing the game if you don't win it?" - Maxime Rooney

Is Caeleb Dressel beatable? How can I pull out the best out of myself?

It's all about getting your hand on the wall in the last 10.

How do you drop another .7 tenths of a second?

Maxime Shares a Swim Practice

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The 1992 Barcelona Olympic Champion in the 200 Fly. One of the Founders of Swim Swam. Better known as GOLD MEDAL MEL. 

Bring me back to Gastonia, North Carolina and how you got into swimming.

Were you being pushed by your parents? Extremely successful age group swimmers don't always become Olympic gold medalists. Performing for your parents approval. 11 sessions a week but not until high school.

"I want to answer you: I was never challenged." - Mel Stewart

Growing up in Heritage USA, the Christian city and theme park. Mel used swimming as a getaway and eventually escaped to Mercersburg Academy. He went from ranked 32nd in the world to 7th to 2nd in just a couple years under John Trembley. 

"I wanted to go to Cal." - Mel Stewart

Mel chose to swim at Tennessee under John Trembley. 

1988 Olympic Trials. Won Trials -- one tenth off Pablo Morales' record. 

1988 Seoul Olympics were,  "a very big bed shitting" according to Mel.

Got to Tennessee, started lifting heavy, and was in the distance lane. 

"How do we unravel this ball of wax?" - Mel Stewart on John Trembley

John Trembley tried to get Brett banned from the NCAA.

Turning pro after his Junior year. Signed with Power Bar got his endorsements. 

Expected to swim for JT leading up to 1992 but he left instead. JT did camps in the summer and thus wasn't coaching Mel in the summers ever. 

Trained with David Marsh at Las Vegas Gold for a summer in 1990. Marsh changed his stroke in 3 places.

Franke Bell supported Mel in breating to the side.

Mel's Daily and Nightly Mantra

All about Michael Gross, The Albatross.

Baywatch.

1996 Olympic Trials.

The birth and genesis of Swim Swam.

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