Shelagh Cummins, of Cummins and Co, introduces the topic of pricing.Ā
How do you price your services?Ā
This is a two part series.Ā
This first part talks about about the mindset and the belief systems and what weāve noticed about women and pricing.
And next week, we'll talk about some really amazing strategies of how to set your prices, moderated by Wendy Brookhouse of Blackstar Wealth.Ā
On to this episode.
āYou know, I noticed there are two schools of entrepreneurs that I see I see that there are those things entrepreneurs who are struggling, and those who are profitable. And the struggling entrepreneurs, I noticed tend to be scared to ask for money or to state their fees.ā says Shelagh, getting the discussion straight to the point!
Listen to the episode for the power packed short discussion.
Are we afraid? Why?
Shelagh, joined by Andrea Henry of Henry Business Law, Megan OāNeill of Megan OāNeill, Susan Diaz of c+p digital and Wendy Brookhouse of Blackstar Wealth, tackles the question.
āAnd I do think it's because they are afraid of rejection. Whereas when I see an entrepreneur who is thriving and profitable, and you know more clients than she knows what to do with, it's usually because she knows that her fees are just simply a filter for the clients that she'd love to work with. And so when we see a struggling entrepreneur, I see them where everything is about money. Money is like oxygen to them. Whereas when I see an entrepreneur that's thriving, money is just simply money. It's a series of ones and zeros. It's just binary. There's nothing to it, it is just money. I noticed that when entrepreneurs are struggling, that they tend to hide and they go back into Take more courses and they're never ready to launch and they're afraid to make a booking they're afraid to make offers. Whereas when a woman entrepreneur is thriving, I feel like she knows that her credentials are irrelevant because the only question that her clients will ask her is, can you help me? So ladies, I'm really curious about you and your connection to pricing. I know that there's many women in my circles and myself included who have struggled when it came to setting a price but increasing their prices so that we met market value.Ā
Is this something that you've experienced in your business growth?ā
Wendy BrookhouseĀ
āI see it all the time with my clients, but I've been through the journey myself, especially in my industry where we're kind of trained to not ask for money. You know, you're going to get paid by the Commission's on the things that you might sell. And so it's almost like we're expected to do all the planning work on speculation. That, okay, if we do a good enough job on the planning, then maybe they'll use us for all the implementation piece. So even just changing that for me and starting to ask for any dollars was super tough because the industry just doesn't do it. Right. And then I think that the hard part is is how do you ask because even though now that I'm much I'm very confident in the results I I can generate for people and I'm very confident that I know I can make a difference. You still have that butterfly every time you put the price on the table.ā
āyou know, it's interesting because I feel like when we talk about money, it does tend to be a female issue. And I may be stepping into hot water here by putting that out there, but there are very few men who will who struggle as much about pricing their services as women's do. Why do you think that isĀ
Susan DiazĀ
āIt's a it's a lot of conditioning in my case, and in the case of several people that I've spoken to, there's a line that a friend of mine's husband said, which I've taken away and I use it with myself a lot. It's āprice like a manā. It's like, you know, don't be apologetic to to do the thing that It needs to be done.āĀ
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Start with what is this going to cost you?Ā
What is your profit margin?Ā
How much do you have to pay CRA?Ā
And then you know back to Wendy's point you're taking some of that, you know, personal thing out of it if you will - it's one thing on the rejection side, but on the other side it's like when you put out a number and you're working towards it, it helps to not get personal and emotional as far as I'm concerned. But I do. I do get personal and emotional and then I'm like, how am I making this cheaper? What will my friend think if I say that this is what my service costs?? and oh my god should I forgo my percentage of profit??Ā
Well, no! you run a business and you need to make sure that the lights are on and the doors stay open. So I think it's kind of money that has whole lot of emotion. But in terms of approaching it, I find separating that emotion is what helps me get to the place I want to beā
Megan OāNeill comments on the mindset behind what a price represents to people:
āYeah. And you said the magic word belief. So I, you know, I've been doing what I do, which is mindset. I've been the mindset expert for almost 20 years now. And I have been through this myself, this has been coming out of the gate. I think that one of the reasons why I struggled was two things I wasn't brought up. So the conditioning, like Susan said, I had an employee mom, she was a nurse, no one ever negotiated, never negotiated anything. And for a couple years, when I got to the university, I was working contract and I had to negotiate my contracts. And I, I got everybody else to do it for me. I just, essentially they handed me what I should, should accept and accept. I didn't question it. And it has a lot to do with just not having that. I don't think we have I think women in particular don't think you're in hot water for saying that. I think that's the truth. That we weren't taught how to value our skill set. I don't think that was something. I mean, how many of you had mothers who volunteered as the PTA mom or whatever, and spent a lot of time donating your time. And it was just considered to be a sort of ghost subject money, right and to price yourself. So when I came out of the gates, and I had to charge people right away, I struggled with this a lot. And I think what my go to was was to leave it to other people to determine what my prices were. So they call it price sourcing. I'm sure you know all about this. And you might see this today by people asking, you know, their their group, maybe their mastermind group or their Facebook group or even their spouse, God forbid, don't ask your spouse because they, especially if they're nine to fiver, and because I did that, and they asked everybody else because I think we are afraid of taking responsibility. I think women maybe Wendy will disagree with this, but I think women often don't want to take responsibility for money. I think we're still afraid of it. I think we have a lot of beliefs around that. And I think it's easier to give it to other people or power to other people. I mean, what do we believe about when you ask someone for money and their reaction is, and I was telling my clients this, the reaction of the other person is well, I don't know, I don't know it's a little too expensive, or whatever the reaction is, that's their belief about what they value. I mean, it really comes down to not a personal thing. It's not that there's something wrong necessarily with your price or what you do. It's what people believe about money themselves. So you're taking on their baggage, essentially. No.ā
Andrea Henry
āAnd I think for me, I know for a lot of my clients, especially when women are running service based businesses, which a lot of us run, there is a difficulty to charge for what is a service for what you think You should do for free. And I think as women, we've been conditioned what Megan was talking about, like, seeing our mothers volunteer, etc, we've been conditioned that we should give of our time freely, it's a good thing. It's it's charitable to give of our time. And so it feels icky. To charge for something that you think that you should be given for free. I've seen a lot of plants, and especially people in the alternative health space, who have clever gifts, and who feel horrible about charging for that gift. Because within that community, the idea is that you've received it you have this particular talent or this particular, you know, your senses are heightened, and that you shouldn't make money from it. And for me, it was difficult. I thought, you know, one of the reasons for starting the firm was because legal, legal services are so expensive, and wanting to make them more accessible for people and the way how I got over it The process of getting over it is to really look at the value, right? So what Wendy was talking about, if you see what it is that you can do for clients, it makes a big difference in being able to set prices. The other thing is understanding that people for a long time I was just like, well, these things are expensive. And because I would have struggled to pay for some of the things that I was charging right at the beginning, I felt like no one else had the money to be able to do it. And then I saw people who had said that my services were too expensive dressing designer from head to toe, you know, dry, really nice cars on Instagram and Costa Rica and Bali. And I realized that I know people have money, they just decide where to spend it. And so it kind of removes the this is too expensive or they're rejecting me or I've set my prices is too much tomorrow. Am I doing a good enough job and explaining what the value is?
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āLet's remove the emotion from it and just see money as money. Money is just that it's money. Money in itself is an abstract entity. And I think we've seen this happen in our lifetime anyway through the cryptocurrency phase where people are creating banks out of nothing and are trading these invisible coins back and forth. And there's not even a physical representation of it. I mean, money is just a thing. And when we can separate that out and go through a very sequential and structured process to figure out our price, I think that is step one. And I also want to pick up on an undertone of what everybody else said was, and this is something that I noticed I have to do with my clients right away is is help them get in and take greedy with the value that they bring. And when we talk about that, and when I bring up that concept, it is standing behind the results that you bring to your audience. And when you can answer the question, how can you help me from one of your clients? There's nothing about that that's related to money. It's about the health and people will pay for health. And they're allowed to tell you that it's too expensive for them. That's their choice. We can't control that. But we can choose whether we're going to buy into that scarcity mindset or not. I'm really excited to segue into the part two of this podcast in terms of, well how do we set our price give us a structure so that we know that we're at least hitting market rate, if not going above and if there's one thing that I'd love for you to be known for. Its that you might be expensive, but you're worth the investment and the more work that you do that changes people's lives, the easier it will be to offer to do that same work to more people. And that is the difference between a successful and thriving entrepreneur, and an entrepreneur who is struggling. And so if you are noticing that you keep going and taking more courses and you're not talking to people, and you're not making offers and telling about what it is that you do, then I'm going to encourage you to go and look for evidence that the work that you do through either your service or your product, go and find the impact of that on someone else's life. Money is just money. How do you raise your rates? You go in and you change the numbers. That's it. Really excited for part two of this podcast.ā