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In this podcast Cláudio Teixeira (BEUC) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[00:50] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms
⏲️[05:47] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Cláudio Teixeira | Digital Rights Legal Officer, BEUC
🐦 https://twitter.com/Claudi0Teixeira
🌐 Sept 2022 BEUC position paper - ‘Connectivity infrastructure and the open Internet: BEUC preliminary position on possible introduction of network infrastructure fees’
🌐 Jan 2023 BEUC letter to EU Executive Vice-President Margrethe Vestager - ‘Telecoms Joint Venture on a new digital identification solution for online advertising’
🌐 BEUC - The European Consumer Organisation
🌐 Cláudio Teixeira

Cláudio Teixeira is a Digital Rights Legal Officer at BEUC, the European Consumer Organisation, where he focuses on telecommunications, digital services and cybersecurity. He was previously at the Permanent Representation of Portugal to the EU during their 2021 Council Presidency, working on the negotiations of the Digital Markets Act (DMA) and the public Country-by-Country (CbC) Reporting Directive.

In this podcast Bill Woodcock (Packet Clearing House) & the internet lab discuss the tech dimension of internet regulation

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:43] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[08:58] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[13:11] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[21:40] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[23:33] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Bill Woodcock | Executive Director, Packet Clearing House
🐦 https://twitter.com/woodyatpch
🌐 29 Internet Experts and Academics send a Letter to the Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal
🌐 Packet Clearing House
🌐 Bill Woodcock

Bill Woodcock is the executive director of Packet Clearing House (PCH), the international non-governmental organisation that builds and supports critical Internet infrastructure, including Internet exchange points and the core of the domain name system. Since entering the Internet industry in 1985, he has helped establish more than three hundred Internet exchange points. In 2011, Bill wrote the first survey of Internet interconnection agreements, as input to the OECD’s analysis of the Internet economy. He then conducted follow-on surveys in 2016 and 2021, with the participation of more than 27,000 Internet service providers in 192 countries. He also served on the board of the American Registry for Internet Numbers for fifteen years. Currently, Bill’s work focuses on the security and economic stability of critical Internet infrastructure.

In this podcast Prof. Chris Marsden (Monash University, Australia) & the internet lab discuss the academic dimension of internet regulation

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:05] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[10:12] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[19:50] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[28:09] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[30:43] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Prof. Chris Marsden | Professor of AI, Technology and the Law, Monash University - Australia
🐦 https://twitter.com/prof_marsden
🌐 Study on the Implementation of the Open Internet Provisions of the Telecoms Single Market Regulation for the European Commission (2019)
🌐 Network Neutrality: From Policy to Law to Regulation (2017)
🌐 Net Neutrality: Towards a Co-Regulatory Solution (2010)
🌐 Prof. Chris Marsden

Professor Chris Marsden recently moved from Sussex Law School in the UK to Monash University in Australia, where he is Professor of Artificial Intelligence, Technology and the Law. He is an expert on Internet and digital technology law, with a focus on regulation by code - whether legal, software or social code. He is the author of many scholarly contributions as well as five books including "Net neutrality", "Regulating Code" with Professor Ian Brown and "Internet Co-regulation".

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:43] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[05:46] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[09:58] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[15:06] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[17:38] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Dr. Joan Barata | Fellow at the Cyber Policy Center, Stanford University
🐦 https://twitter.com/JoanBarata
🌐 The Re-Emergence of the Net Neutrality Debate in Europe (Verfassungsblog)
🌐 Dr. Joan Barata

Dr. Joan Barata is a Fellow at the Cyber Policy Center of Stanford University. He works on freedom of expression, media and communications regulation, and intermediary liability issues. Dr. Barata teaches at various universities in different parts of the world and has published many articles and books on these subjects, both in academic and popular press. His work has taken him to most regions of the world, and he is regularly involved in projects with international organisations such as UNESCO, the Council of Europe, the Organization of American States, and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, where he was the principal advisor to the Representative on Media Freedom. Dr. Barata also has experience as a regulator, as he held the position of Secretary General of the Audiovisual Council of Catalonia in Spain and was member of the Permanent Secretariat of the Mediterranean Network of Regulatory Authorities.

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:51] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[06:18] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[12:41] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[19:20] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[20:15] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Prof. Andrew Odlyzko | Professor, School of Mathematics, University of Minnesota
🌐 The Growth Rate and the Nature of Internet Traffic (2015)
🌐 Content is Not King (First Monday, Volume 6, Number 2 - 5 February 2001)
🌐 Prof. Andrew Odlyzko

Andrew Odlyzko is a Professor at the University of Minnesota. Before that, he spent more than half of his professional career in research at Bell Labs and AT&T Labs. After moving to Minnesota, he was the founding director of the Digital Technology Center, and has been head of the Minnesota Supercomputing Institute as well as an Assistant Vice President for Research. He has three patents and has written over one hundred and fifty technical papers on a variety of topics, such as cryptography and probability theory. He is a Fellow of the International Association for Cryptologic Research and the American Mathematical Society. He started his studies of the economics of the Internet at AT&T in the mid-1990s, and may be best known for his early debunking of the myth of Internet traffic doubling every one hundred days, and for his thesis that connectivity and not content is king. He has since broadened his studies to consider more general interactions of technology and society.

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:21] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[03:30] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[05:41] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[08:37] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[09:23] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ MEP Patrick Breyer | German MEP, European Pirates - Greens/EFA Group
🐦 https://twitter.com/echo_pbreyer
🌐 EU Declaration on Digital Rights Agreed
🌐 EU Lawmakers Criticise Commission’s Plans to Eliminate Net Neutrality
🌐 European Parliament MEP Page

Dr. Patrick Breyer is a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) with the European Pirates, who are part of the Greens and European Free Alliance (Greens/EFA) Group. As a member of the Committee for Civil Liberties and Home Affairs and of the Legal Committee, his political work concentrates on safeguarding fundamental rights in the digital age, especially with regard to privacy, citizen participation and democracy. MEP Breyer is a long-term activist in the civil liberties movement for consumer and citizen rights and is notably a member of the German NGO Working Group on Data Retention, as well as the author of the blog ‘Daten-Speicherung.de – minimum data, maximum privacy’.

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:12] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[02:53] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[05:42] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[08:35] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[09:18] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Brian Williamson | Partner, Communications Chambers
🐦 https://twitter.com/MarethBrian
🌐 Communication Chambers’ Paper: ‘An Internet Traffic Tax Would Harm Europe’s Digital Transformation’ (Commissioned by CCIA)
🌐 Communication Chambers’ Note: ‘Patterns of Fixed Traffic Growth, 2022’
🌐 LinkedIn Contribution on Telcos’ Traffic Growth Claims
🌐 Brian Williamson

Brian Williamson has worked in government at the New Zealand Treasury and is now a London based consultant. His clients include governments, regulators, telcos, and tech companies. As a consultant, Brian works at the intersection of the ‘digital economy’ and policy. This includes looking at the respective and complementary contributions of connectivity and applications to enhance economic and social outcomes. He recently published a study on the proposed ‘Internet traffic tax’ for the Computer & Communications Industry Association (CCIA).

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:26] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[06:21] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[16:22] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[22:46] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[24:34] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis | Internet Policy & Strategy expert and author
🐦 https://twitter.com/kkomaitis
🌐 Internet collapse made in Europe (Verfassungsblog)
🌐 Europe’s Risky Plan for the Internet
🌐 29 Internet Experts and Academics send a Letter to the Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal
🌐 European Commission’s 10 January 2023 Response to Letter from 29 Internet Experts and Academics

🌐 Internet of Humans Podcast
🌐 Konstantinos Komaitis

Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis is a veteran in developing and analysing Internet policy to ensure an open and global Internet. He spent almost ten years in active policy and strategy development as a Senior Director at the Internet society. Before that, he spent 7 years as a senior lecturer at the university of Strathclyde in Glasgow, where he was researching and teaching Internet policy. Konstantinos is a public speaker having talked at many events around the world, including a TedX talk. He is also the author of a book on domain name regulation and a writer for a variety of outlets such as Politico, Brookings, Slate, TechDirt, and EurActiv. Finally, he is the co-host with Jillian York of the "Internet of Humans Podcast".

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:24] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[08:47] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[18:39] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[31:18] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[36:08] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Rudolf van der Berg | Partner, Stratix

🐦 https://twitter.com/internetthought
🌐 NLNOG 2022 - Rudolf van der Berg | Big Telco vs Big Tech, Or Why Telcos Want Money for Traffic Again (Video | Slides)
🌐 Internet Traffic Growth Is Not Out of Control, and Nothing Like Telcos Want You To Believe
🌐 Map - Fiber Broadband by Municipality in the Netherlands: 1 Million More Homes in 2023. 5M So Far, 3M To Go!
🌐 Rudolf van der Berg

Rudolf van der Berg is a consultant with 20 years of experience in Internet, telecom, privacy, online content, standardisation and related topics.

In the past, Rudolf was an Economist and Policy Analyst at the OECD working on telecommunications and Internet-related policy. He notably wrote reports on Machine-to-Machine communication, Internet of Things, connected television, mobile termination rates, fixed mobile convergence, international cables and Internet exchange points. Working together with BEREC - the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications, he organised two meetings on IP-interconnection, which brought the Internet peering community and regulators together.

📌Episode Highlights
⏲️[00:00] Intro
⏲️[01:29] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?
⏲️[05:01] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?
⏲️[10:10] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?
⏲️[15:15] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.
⏲️[17:19] Outro

📌About Our Guest
🎙️ Dr. Francesca Musiani | Associate Research Professor, French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS)
🐦 https://twitter.com/franmusiani
🌐 29 Internet experts and academics send a Letter to the European Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal
🌐 European Parliamentary Research Service - Panel for the Future of Science and Technology - Study | 'Splinternets': Addressing the renewed debate on internet fragmentation
🌐 Dr. Francesca Musiani

Dr. Francesca Musiani is Associate Research Professor at the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS). She is Deputy Director of the Center for Internet and Society of CNRS, which she co-founded in 2019. She is also an associate researcher at the Center for the sociology of innovation (i3/MINES ParisTech) and a Global Fellow at the Internet Governance Lab, American University in Washington, DC.

Francesca is the author, with Ksenia Ermoshina, of Concealing for Freedom: The Making of Encryption, Secure Messaging and Digital Liberties (April 2022, Mattering Press), and (co-)author and editor of numerous other articles and books. She is vice-president for research of Internet Society France, has collaborated with the French Parliament (2014-2015) and the French Council for Audiovisual Media (2015-2018), and is the recent co-author of a study on Internet fragmentation for the European Parliament (2022).