Sociologist Cedric de Leon joins us to discuss his new book, "Freedom Train: Black Politics and the Story of Interracial Labor Solidarity" from University of California Press. "The Moment of Truth" with Jeff Dorchen follows the interview.

Check out Cedric's book here: https://www.ucpress.edu/books/freedom-train/paper

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