In the following episode of The Immeasurable Podcast, we interview Byron Katie.

Byron Katie is a well-known author and teacher. TIME describes her as "a spiritual innovator for the 21st century." For more information on Byron Katie and "The Work", click here.

In this episode, Jaap Sluijter and Leah Luong explore Byron Katie's work and how it relates to the teachings of J. Krishnamurti:

• Introduction by Jaap Sluijter (:25)
• Jaap introduces a new book, Unconditionally Free (2:06)
• Byron Katie says this mission, "to set mankind unconditionally free" is the mission of all human beings (3:07)
• Katie says an open mind is a questioned mind (4:40)
• Katie talks about "loving what is" and points to inquiry as essential to this natural discovery (5:50)
• Leah Luong asks Katie about attachment (6:57)
• Leah asks about what insight means in particular to Katie's life experience (8:47)
• Katie talks about a transformational insight in her past (9:51)
• Jaap continues to ask about Katie's transformational insight (13:59)
• Katie describes "The Work" briefly (23:47)
• Leah asks about specific aspects of "The Work"  (26:31)
• Katie goes on to talk about the nature of images and love (29:36)
• Jaap asks Katie about calming the suffering vs. ending suffering and introduces time is the enemy of man" a quote from J. Krishnamurti and invites Katie to comment (31: 43)
• Katie says Krishnamurti is pointing to the fact that time is an illusion (32:58)
• Leah asks about negation, doubt, time, and concepts (37:26)
• Katie talks about guilt and love and says our true nature can't be controlled  (40:03)
• Katie talks about "first-generation thinking"  (43:35)
• Jaap mentions Katie's line in Loving What Is "I was being thought" and asks her what that means (46:26)
• Jaap, Leah, and Katie say their goodbyes (48:05)

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