Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. You're listening to season five. 

Recorded in Los Angeles in 1981, this first part of a two-part conversation brings J. Krishnamurti into dialogue with journalist and historian Keith Berwick, a four-time Emmy Award–winning television broadcaster whose work spans journalism, education, and long-form inquiry.

The interview opens with a direct and unsettling question: why did Krishnamurti, in 1929, dissolve the Order of the Star and reject the spiritual authority that had been constructed around him? His response is unequivocal. Religious organizations and belief systems, he says, have not helped human beings face the actual facts of life; instead, they have encouraged escape, conformity, and the worship of persons rather than understanding.

From this point, the conversation moves to what Krishnamurti identifies as the real crisis of the modern world—not political or economic, but psychological. Violence, fear, anxiety, and sorrow persist because the human mind remains conditioned. Choice, he argues, is not freedom but a sign of confusion; where there is clarity, there is no choice, only action.

A central theme of this episode is belief. Krishnamurti challenges belief in all its forms, insisting that belief dulls the brain, turns inquiry into habit, and replaces direct perception with repetition. Ritual, dogma, and identity, he suggests, gradually make the mind mechanical rather than intelligent.

The dialogue also turns to death and fear. Krishnamurti questions why human beings cling to psychological attachments while fearing their ending and introduces one of his most radical assertions: that consciousness is not personal but common to all humanity, shaped by shared patterns of suffering, insecurity, and desire. The illusion of separateness, he argues, lies at the root of conflict.

As the episode concludes, the discussion focuses on thought and relationship. Thought, while essential in practical life, is always limited, and when it governs inward life it produces images that fragment relationship. Where images intervene, there is no real contact. Freedom, Krishnamurti says, is not the freedom to do as one likes, but freedom from the image-building activity of thought itself.

This is Part 1 of the interview. Our next episode will feature Part 2, which continues the inquiry into the nature of the self, authority, love, meditation, and the question of whether there is an instrument of understanding other than thought.

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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. In this follow-up episode, we share the Q&A session that took place immediately after David Moody’s talk, “What Does It Mean to Live the Teachings?”

David is joined by three fellow panelists —Mary Kelley, John Duncan, & Francisco Mazza — for a wide-ranging conversation shaped by both the live audience in the room and viewers watching online during the 2025 KFA Annual May Gathering.

Together, they explore questions that naturally arise when Krishnamurti’s teaching is taken seriously: what it means to begin without a method, how “not knowing” relates to insight, whether the “impossible” is actually the only thing worth doing, and how to approach inquiry without turning the teachings into a new belief system.

The discussion also touches on education, the role and danger of “interpreters,” psychological time, and what it really means to discover truth for oneself — moment by moment.

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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode features a talk from the 2025 KFA Annual May Gathering.

It’s titled “What Does It Mean to Live the Teaching?” and is presented by David Moody.

In his last recorded statement, just days before his death, Krishnamurti spoke of the “immense energy and intelligence” that had flowed through him for seventy years — and said that others might experience it too, if they live the teachings. But, he added, no one had done so.

In this talk, David explores what it means to live the teachings, drawing from Krishnamurti’s words over many years, and reflecting on how we might approach this question ourselves.

A Q&A session with the audience followed this presentation. We’ll share that conversation in the next episode.

And now, here’s David Moody.

• David reflects on the significance of “40 years” since Krishnamurti’s last talk in Ojai (2:48)
• K’s final days (4:19)
• "...when Krishnamurti dies, what really happens to that extraordinary focus of understanding and energy that is K?" (7:04)
• Distinction between “the body” and “the immense energy” (10:39)
• What are the teachings? (16:51)
• Psychological conflict (27:22)
• What living the teachings is not (33:58)
• A seemingly impossible task (40:00)
• Choiceless awareness and its difficulties (47:50)
• Living the teachings as a radical undertaking (53:00)

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the fourth discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change?  This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.

J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 5: Death

Series: Can Humanity Change?

Q: Is there life after death?

When the body dies the desires, the anxieties, the tragedies and the misery go on. They go on contributing to the vast common stream in which mankind lives. Each of us is representative of the whole of that stream.

By inquiring into the whole nature of suffering can one end it and be out of the stream? The free inquiry into suffering is insight. As long as I accept any authority, Buddhist or otherwise, can there be insight?

For the man who is no longer a manifestation of the stream, intelligence, love and compassion are operating.

Q: How do you discriminate between mindfulness, awareness and attention?

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the fourth discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change?  This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.

J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 4: Truth

Series: Can Humanity Change?

Q: Is there a difference between reality and truth?

All the things that thought has put together -- literature, poetry, painting, illusions, gods and symbols -- that is reality for us. But nature is not created by thought.

Can the mind, the network of all the senses apprehend, see and observe truth?

Psychological time is the invention of thought, which we use as a means of achieving enlightenment. Is such time an illusion? Is truth measurable by words? Truth is timeless, thought is of time, and the two cannot run together.

Without love, without compassion, truth cannot be. I cannot go to truth, I cannot see truth. Truth can only exist when the self is not.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamerica

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti

Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/

Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/

Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/

Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the third discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change?  This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.

J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978-79 - Buddhist Scholars Discussion 3 - Does Free Will Exist?

Series: Can Humanity Change?

We say free will exists because we can choose between this and that. Apart from material things, why is there choice?

Is there an action in which there is no effort of will at all and therefore no choice?

Why does thought identify with sensations? Is there duality in identification?

How did thought begin in me? Was it handed down by parents, education, environment, the past?

Does the word create the thought or thought creates words?

Why does thought enter into action? Is there an action which is complete, total, whole, not partial?

Can you see someone as a whole being? Then there is love.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/

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Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/

Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/

Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/

Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the second discussion of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change? This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.

J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 2: Can We Live Without Identifying?

Series: Can Humanity Change?

Q: What is the state of the mind that is in the process of dying?

What is death? Is there life after death, is there a continuity? If not, what is the point of living at all?

Why is there the whole process of identification, my possessions, what I will be, success, power, prestige? The identification process is the essence of the self.

Is it possible to live in daily life without this identification process which brings about the structure and the nature of the self which is the result of thought?

Is it possible to be free of the "me", which produces all this chaos, this constant effort? Can thought end? Is it possible to live a daily life with death, which is the ending of the self?


For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamerica
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights the first part of a five-part series titled Can Humanity Change?  This series was recorded in 1978 at Brockwood Park, where J. Krishnamurti spoke with Buddhist scholars.

J. Krishnamurti with Buddhist Scholars - Brockwood Park 1978 - Discussion 1: Are You Not Saying What the Buddha Said?

Series: Can Humanity Change?

Q: Does knowledge condition human beings?

Knowledge means accumulation of information, experience, facts, theories and principles, the past and the present. This bundle we call knowledge.

Can a mind that is burdened with knowledge see truth?

Will we get more knowledge by reading what the Buddha or Christ said? We are full of this accumulative instinct that we think will help us to jump into heaven.

Can I look at the fact without the word with all its intimations, content and tradition?

Can I look at something without the association of words and past remembrances? Then only I see the fact.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamerica
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Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
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Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

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Welcome back to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode comes from a talk titled “War and Peace” at the 2022 KFA May Gathering. Despite the persistent aspiration of every generation to achieve world peace and end war, violence, and terror, these conflicts continue unabated. Most people envision a peaceful world for their children, yet the cycle of violence and ethnic hatred persists. 

In this talk, Mark Habeeb raises the question of whether we should abandon this seemingly unattainable goal or go deeper into understanding why we perpetuate the very actions we wish to cease. We may be challenged to have the courage to look within ourselves and recognize that the roots of war and violence lie in our own interactions and relationships.

Mark Habeeb is a Professor of Global Politics and Security at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service in Washington, DC, where his specialty is international negotiation, conflict management, and the role of identity processes in group violence. He is a Fellow of the Middle East Studies Association, a member of the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues, and a member of the Board of Virginia Humanities. From 1988 to 1991 he was Chairman of the Forum for US-Soviet Dialogue. He has published widely in his field and in 2021 published his first novel. Mark received his PhD from Johns Hopkins University and also studied at the University of Sussex and the Washington Psychoanalytic Institute. He has studied the teachings of Krishnamurti for over 30 years.

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a the last part of a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.

J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1980 - Dialogue 15: Can Human Problems Be Solved? 

Series: The Ending of Time

Why have human beings not been able to resolve human, daily problems of life? What prevents the solution of these problems completely?

When there is attention there is no center from which I attend.

A poor man wants to be rich and a rich man wants to be richer. It is a movement of becoming, becoming, both outwardly and inwardly. Though it brings a great deal of pain and sometimes pleasure, this sense of becoming, fulfilling, achieving psychologically has made my life into all that it is.

Is love something that is common to all of us?

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/krishnamurtifoundationamerica
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

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