Today, we are talking with Michael Dorf and Neil Buchanan. Michael is a Law Professor and Scholar of U.S. Constitutional Law who currently serves as the Robert S. Stevens Professor of Law at Cornell Law School. Neil is an Economist, Legal Scholar, and Professor currently working as a Professor of Law at University of Florida - Levin College of Law. Both are considered leading experts on the U.S. debt ceiling.

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Today’s clickables: Intro: 00:00 Explaining the basics of the debt ceiling (02:13), Is the debt ceiling effective or even necessary? (05:27), The "least unconstitutional option" (12:04), Breaching the debt ceiling v default (16:40), The 14th Amendment argument: (25:46) Could are credit rating be downgraded again? (29:54), Should we end the debt ceiling? (33:56) Where you can find more from Michael and Neil (36:51)

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